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Postby Lykens » Wed May 27, 2015 10:05 am

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Lykens wrote:Good thing you aren't an admin counting?

Well fuck me for wanting to save them time. It might also mean they have time to update the OP in the applications thread once in a while.

Well, I'm sure if they had issues with that they would've said something. And Ainin has started to do that as of late.
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Postby Britanno 2 » Wed May 27, 2015 10:13 am

Lykens wrote:Well, I'm sure if they had issues with that they would've said something.

What, like right a bill about it?
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Postby Lykens » Wed May 27, 2015 10:14 am

Britanno 2 wrote:
Lykens wrote:Well, I'm sure if they had issues with that they would've said something.

What, like right a bill about it?

I'm not following.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Wed May 27, 2015 11:07 am

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Postby Britanno 2 » Wed May 27, 2015 11:11 am

Lykens wrote:I'm not following.

An admin wrote a bill about it, I kinda think that shows they disagree with it.
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Postby Lykens » Wed May 27, 2015 11:16 am

Britanno 2 wrote:
Lykens wrote:I'm not following.

An admin wrote a bill about it, I kinda think that shows they disagree with it.

Well. One does not necessarily equal the opinions of the rest.
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Postby Britanno 2 » Wed May 27, 2015 11:57 am

Lykens wrote:Well. One does not necessarily equal the opinions of the rest.

Actually, nvm cos I just realised that when counting you can just skip to the final round in one go.
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Postby Lykens » Wed May 27, 2015 11:58 am

Britanno 2 wrote:
Lykens wrote:Well. One does not necessarily equal the opinions of the rest.

Actually, nvm cos I just realised that when counting you can just skip to the final round in one go.

Smiling and waving.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed May 27, 2015 4:53 pm

I was of the same opinion about FPTP. But I actually like it will be over after one round. It drags out too long with two rounds that are so long. The only way a two round FPTP would work I think is if each round is cut to 48 hours long. Otherwise I actually support the current system, something I never thought I would say when I first read the current elections bill.
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Postby Lykens » Wed May 27, 2015 8:56 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:I was of the same opinion about FPTP. But I actually like it will be over after one round. It drags out too long with two rounds that are so long. The only way a two round FPTP would work I think is if each round is cut to 48 hours long. Otherwise I actually support the current system, something I never thought I would say when I first read the current elections bill.

Beta doesn't agree. He says it maximizes voting.
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Postby The Sarian » Wed May 27, 2015 11:28 pm

Lykens wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:I was of the same opinion about FPTP. But I actually like it will be over after one round. It drags out too long with two rounds that are so long. The only way a two round FPTP would work I think is if each round is cut to 48 hours long. Otherwise I actually support the current system, something I never thought I would say when I first read the current elections bill.

Beta doesn't agree. He says it maximizes voting.


How does having two rounds maximise voting? If anything it decreases it as people may not respond to the second plee to vote...
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Postby Electrum » Thu May 28, 2015 12:37 am

Rough draft?


Incidents relating to the capture of Vienna Eliot Committee Act
Author: Senator Wallace (Electrum) - FDP
Sponsors: The New World Oceania and The Sarian

An Act to establish a committee to inquire and report on the recent capture of a terrorist, and how security mechanisms can be improved in the future



Section 1 - Terms of Reference

1. A Senate select committee, known as the "Incidents relating to the capture of Vienna Eliot Committee" shall be established to inquire and report upon the various aspects of Vienna Eliot's capture including:
a) How Eliot was able to sneak into parliament house with weapons
b) The responses by government and the judiciary to Eliot's capture
c) Eliot's life in the independence movement, and his motivations in being a terrorist
d) Why Eliot was allowed to be a presidential candidate
e) Any other related aspects to his capture, including his personal life

2. The committee shall create it's final report on or before 31st August 2015

3. The committee shall be composed from the following 'full members':
a) Three senators shall be nominated by the LDP-DL coalition at the time
b) Three senators shall be nominated by the NLC coalition at the time
c) One senator shall be nominated from each party with over five seats at the time
d) Full members may vote in decisions, where five constitutes a quorum.

4. Other senators may also be appoint themselves, as 'participant members' into the committee, to help with hearings, but may not vote on any decisions

5. The committee shall appoint the President as the chair of the committee, and that they have the casting vote in an event of a tie

6. The committee shall have power to sit and create public hearings and to send/compel for any person or document

7. The committee will have the necessary staff and resources so that the committee shall operate effectively
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu May 28, 2015 12:43 am

Answer 1a) God modding.
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Postby The New World Oceania » Thu May 28, 2015 5:00 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:Answer 1a) God modding.

No response to anything has ever more sufficiently shown a complete absence of what in the hell the speaker was talking about more than yours just now.
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Postby The Sarian » Thu May 28, 2015 5:18 am

Electrum wrote:
Rough draft?


Incidents relating to the capture of Vienna Eliot Committee Act
Author: Senator Wallace (Electrum) - FDP
Sponsors:

An Act to establish a committee to inquire and report on the recent capture of a terrorist, and how security mechanisms can be improved in the future



Section 1 - Terms of Reference

1. A Senate select committee, known as the "Incidents relating to the capture of Vienna Eliot Committee" shall be established to inquire and report upon the various aspects of Vienna Eliot's capture including:
a) How Eliot was able to sneak into parliament house with weapons
b) The responses by government and the judiciary to Eliot's capture
c) Eliot's life in the independence movement, and his motivations in being a terrorist
d) Why he was even allowed to be a presidential candidate
e) Any other related aspects to his capture, including his personal life

2. The committee shall create it's final report on or before 31st August 2015

3. The committee shall be composed from the following 'full members':
a) Three senators shall be nominated by the LDP-DL coalition at the time
b) Three senators shall be nominated by the NLC coalition at the time
c) One senator shall be nominated from each of the IWP, PT, FCP, WA and ND.
d) Full members may vote in decisions, where five constitutes a quorum.

4. Other senators may also be appoint themselves, as 'participant members' into the committee, to help with hearings, but may not vote on any decisions

5. The committee shall appoint the President as the chair of the committee, and that they have the casting vote in an event of a tie

6. The committee shall have power to sit and create public hearings and to send/compel for any person or document

7. The committee will have the necessary staff and resources so that the committee shall operate effectively


Sponsor, although I recommend changing section 3C to read "One each from each party with over five Members of Parliament"
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Postby Heraklea- » Thu May 28, 2015 5:39 am

That's a great idea. Let's politicize the investigative process. That totally works great to produce accurate accounts of what occurred and never turns into a political document in every country that uses these sorts of committees.

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Postby Ainin » Thu May 28, 2015 5:45 am

Electrum wrote:a) How Eliot was able to sneak into parliament house with weapons

A committee isn't needed to tell us something that the Chief of Police and some CCTV footage can explain in 5 minutes.

b) The responses by government and the judiciary to Eliot's capture

..book him in jail and send him to the Regional Court to face trial?

d) Why he was even allowed to be a presidential candidate

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Postby Arkolon » Thu May 28, 2015 5:48 am

Heraklea- wrote:That's a great idea. Let's politicize the investigative process. That totally works great to produce accurate accounts of what occurred and never turns into a political document in every country that uses these sorts of committees.

But at least it'll be fun.
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Postby Electrum » Thu May 28, 2015 6:23 am

This is about creating a committee to examine the institutional responses that occurred as a result of this heinous crimes.

We knew about the murders for months now, with the earliest known arrest warrant being issued on March 29, how on earth did it take so long for him to not be caught, especially when he broadcast to his social media frequently?

Surely his ability to bring guns into the Senate Lobby raises serious questions as well?

This is about how we can improve the police system to ensure this doesn't happen again. Everyday Calaverdeans are concerned about other terrorist elements that are remaining in Calaverde, and we must protect them.
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Postby Beta Test » Thu May 28, 2015 1:12 pm

The Sarian wrote:
Lykens wrote:Beta doesn't agree. He says it maximizes voting.


How does having two rounds maximise voting? If anything it decreases it as people may not respond to the second plee to vote...

No you misunderstand. Lykens was talking about the time the rounds go for, not the amount of rounds. 48 hours is too short.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu May 28, 2015 3:44 pm

Beta Test wrote:
The Sarian wrote:
How does having two rounds maximise voting? If anything it decreases it as people may not respond to the second plee to vote...

No you misunderstand. Lykens was talking about the time the rounds go for, not the amount of rounds. 48 hours is too short.


I don't think that's true, the last 24 hours have yielded just 5 votes. That's hardly an argument in favour of 96 hours if 90% of votes happen in the first 48.
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Postby New Werpland » Fri May 29, 2015 1:09 pm

Bills You'll Never Sponsor

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Temporary Militia Regulation Act


Author:Clemond Abaroa (NDP)
Sponsors: Armeia "I forget his senator's name" (NDP)/ David Vera Cruz (WA)/"Geilinor"(NDP)/ Diego De la Cruz (NDP)
To legalize the destruction and regulation of militias in conflict with the rightful government.

Section 1: Definitions
Treasonable militia- militia that espouses sentiments in conflict with the elected government, whilst advocating violence against the government or any group or individuals within Calaverde or not in conflict with Calaverde.
Neutral militia- militia that may espouse anti-government sentiment, but does not advocate violence.

Section 2: Validification of militia neutrality
A. Any militia that wishes to be recognized as neutral by the government must disclose all the information listed below.
    1. Quantity and type of weapons held by the militia in question.
    2. Location of militia activity and encampments.
B. The said militia administration, must also sign a document validating that the militia will not break any rules of the state of Calaverde.

Section 3: Treatment of Treasonable Militias
A. Treasonable militias (or any militia that espouses sentiments in conflict with the elected government, whilst advocating violence against the government or any group or individuals within Calaverde.) are hereby deemed enemies of the state, and must be diminished or eradicated by the Calaverdean Armed Forces.
B. The punishments for cooperation or aid to Treasonable militias, are listed below
    1. Aid of treasonable militias, such as the provision of weapons or any items besides food, will be met with imprisonment of at least 2 years, plus a fine of the equivalent of 100 U.S dollars.
    2. low ranking members of treasonable militias, not guilty of any crime besides being part of a treasonable group, must serve the state with 4 years worth of public service.
    3. Treasonable militia administrators must be punished based on any crimes committed by the militia of which they took part in.

Civic Punishment Act

Author: Clemond Abaroa (NDP)
Sponsors:Gloria Degroot (RP)/ "Geilinor" (NDP)/ Diego De la Cruz (NDP)
To provide light punishment for politicians of poor performance.

Section 1: Definitions
Slap- To hit (someone or something) with the palm of one's hand or a flat object.
Slapworthy politician- Senator, President, Speaker, or Prime Minister of the Calaverdean government worthy of being slapped in public, for poor or corrupt performance of their duties.
Slapmaster General- Person given the job of slapping the Slapworthy Politician, appointed by the President.

Section 2: Process of the determination o the worthy of slapping politician
A. for a slap worthy politician to be appointed he or she must first be nominated by a member of the senate, subsequently a 24 hour vote will take place to decide whether the person is adequate for the slap worthy politician position. The Speaker is allowed to prevent this process of nomination to ever happen.
B. If the senate votes more than 55% in favor of this nomination, it must then seek the Presidents approval for the ceremony to begin

Section 3: Slapping Ceremony
A. The slapping will take place in the Senate Chamber.
B. The person worthy of carrying out the slap, will be appointed by the President as the Slapmaster General, and will serve until the next President is voted in.
C. The Slapmaster General must wear a black glove on the hand which he/she uses to slap the Slapworthy Politician.
D. The slapping ceremony must take less than 6 minutes, before it is deemed over by the speaker and normal Senate Chamber activities are ushered in.
E. The slapping ceremony must be filmed, and the film put in the public domain for general use.



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Postby Britanno 2 » Fri May 29, 2015 1:25 pm

Sponsor both.
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Postby New Werpland » Fri May 29, 2015 1:27 pm

Britanno 2 wrote:Sponsor both.

Thank you, now I can finally send the TMR to the speaker.

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Postby The Saint James Islands » Fri May 29, 2015 1:58 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Bills You'll Never Sponsor

Version 6




Temporary Militia Regulation Act


Author:Clemond Abaroa (NDP)
Sponsors: Armeia "I forget his senator's name" (NDP)/ David Vera Cruz (WA)/"Geilinor"(NDP)/ Diego De la Cruz (NDP)
To legalize the destruction and regulation of militias in conflict with the rightful government.

Section 1: Definitions
Treasonable militia- militia that espouses sentiments in conflict with the elected government, whilst advocating violence against the government or any group or individuals within Calaverde or not in conflict with Calaverde.
Neutral militia- militia that may espouse anti-government sentiment, but does not advocate violence.

Section 2: Validification of militia neutrality
A. Any militia that wishes to be recognized as neutral by the government must disclose all the information listed below.
    1. Quantity and type of weapons held by the militia in question.
    2. Location of militia activity and encampments.
B. The said militia administration, must also sign a document validating that the militia will not break any rules of the state of Calaverde.

Section 3: Treatment of Treasonable Militias
A. Treasonable militias (or any militia that espouses sentiments in conflict with the elected government, whilst advocating violence against the government or any group or individuals within Calaverde.) are hereby deemed enemies of the state, and must be diminished or eradicated by the Calaverdean Armed Forces.
B. The punishments for cooperation or aid to Treasonable militias, are listed below
    1. Aid of treasonable militias, such as the provision of weapons or any items besides food, will be met with imprisonment of at least 2 years, plus a fine of the equivalent of 100 U.S dollars.
    2. low ranking members of treasonable militias, not guilty of any crime besides being part of a treasonable group, must serve the state with 4 years worth of public service.
    3. Treasonable militia administrators must be punished based on any crimes committed by the militia of which they took part in.

Civic Punishment Act

Author: Clemond Abaroa (NDP)
Sponsors:Gloria Degroot (RP)/ "Geilinor" (NDP)/ Diego De la Cruz (NDP)
To provide light punishment for politicians of poor performance.

Section 1: Definitions
Slap- To hit (someone or something) with the palm of one's hand or a flat object.
Slapworthy politician- Senator, President, Speaker, or Prime Minister of the Calaverdean government worthy of being slapped in public, for poor or corrupt performance of their duties.
Slapmaster General- Person given the job of slapping the Slapworthy Politician, appointed by the President.

Section 2: Process of the determination o the worthy of slapping politician
A. for a slap worthy politician to be appointed he or she must first be nominated by a member of the senate, subsequently a 24 hour vote will take place to decide whether the person is adequate for the slap worthy politician position. The Speaker is allowed to prevent this process of nomination to ever happen.
B. If the senate votes more than 55% in favor of this nomination, it must then seek the Presidents approval for the ceremony to begin

Section 3: Slapping Ceremony
A. The slapping will take place in the Senate Chamber.
B. The person worthy of carrying out the slap, will be appointed by the President as the Slapmaster General, and will serve until the next President is voted in.
C. The Slapmaster General must wear a black glove on the hand which he/she uses to slap the Slapworthy Politician.
D. The slapping ceremony must take less than 6 minutes, before it is deemed over by the speaker and normal Senate Chamber activities are ushered in.
E. The slapping ceremony must be filmed, and the film put in the public domain for general use.



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