NSG Senate Coffee Shop: We don't serve decaf

[Collatis]

We're Senators not MP's right?

I believe that the terms are interchangeable.

[The Nihilistic view]

We're Senators not MP's right?

No, MPs. You weren't back at the time. Our government act by Nep made us a parliament not a senate this time.

[The Nihilistic view]

Do you think $100 is enough for office staff etc? Obviously it's up to MPs how much they offer to pay but I was working off a basic pay for a secretary or researcher of around $15K. So between your two offices you might have 4-5 employees, the cost of renting the constituency office plus normal office supplies. Is that a reasonable amount to cover everything?

[Britanno]

We're Senators not MP's right?

Legislation can refer to us as the Senate or the Parliament because everybody understands what you mean OOCly and nobody really cares about such a minor issue anymore.

[The Nihilistic view]

Ok so penalties for fraudulent claims. I'm thinking fines. Not sure about jail terms but was thinking being kicked out of parliament and barred from ever standing for parliament again might be a good one.

[Britanno]

Ok so penalties for fraudulent claims. I'm thinking fines. Not sure about jail terms but was thinking being kicked out of parliament and barred from ever standing for parliament again might be a good one.

100% back jail terms. A fine won't do much if they've made enough money from bribery anyway.

[The Nihilistic view]

Ok so penalties for fraudulent claims. I'm thinking fines. Not sure about jail terms but was thinking being kicked out of parliament and barred from ever standing for parliament again might be a good one.

100% back jail terms. A fine won't do much if they've made enough money from bribery anyway.

What has bribery got to do with expenses fraud?

[Casearius]

I'll sponsor as well

I'll sponsor.

Thanks

[Casearius]

Any comments, suggestions, or sponsors?

Cheese Sale and Accessibility Act

Author- Liam Giuliani (Casearius)
Sponsors- Illuminination LDP, Collatis DL, Geilinor LD

This act involves the accessibility of cheese to people in poverty or financial strain, to make cheese of all kinds as equally accessible to the upper class, as it is to the lower and middle class. This way, people of all kinds can have cheese as our forefathers intended it. This bill as well as pertaining to the accessibility of cheese, involves the regulation of the sale of cheese and the production of cheese.

Definitions:
• cheese- the curd of milk separated from the whey and prepared in many ways as a food
• edict- a decree issued by a sovereign or other authority
Purpose:
• To make cheese accessible to all.
• To increase morale of citizens (with cheese related activities.)
• To ensure that all people whether they are upper, middle, or lower class can have the same cheese related opportunities.
• To increase cheese market and boost economy.
• To put safety regulations on what can be put in cheese before resale based on approved substances from a government based cheese safety board.
§ 1 – Cheese Accessibility
• No individual, organization, corporation, etc. may deny a citizen the right to obtain or participate in, cheese, cheese related activities or events, producing cheese, etc.
• If a citizen of Calaverde is denied the right to cheese, or a cheese related product, activity, or the production of cheese, the individual, organization, corporation, etc. will be punished fiscally to promote equality in this country, and those surrounding us.
• If a citizen of Calaverde is denied entry into, or participation in, or application to, a play, movie, or any other public occurrence, for their usage or consumption of cheese, that individual, organization, corporation, etc. will be punished fiscally.
• If a citizen is denied a job opportunity, or interview, for his or her consumption, or usage of cheese, and it can be proven to be because of their usage or consumption of cheese, even if that citizen is more qualified, etc. a fiscal punishment will be set into place on that individual, organization, corporation, etc.
§ 2 – Exceptions
• Only in the case that a gathering or activity that requires a certain monetary amount to enter that has cheese within it and a citizen is denied entry for not having the proper funds, will no monetary penalty be put into place.
§ 3 – Regulation on the Sale of Cheese
• If cheese is sold without passing safety regulations, which state that no chemical or other substance that has been proven to be harmful, or not approved at all by the C.H.E.E.S.E. can be in the cheese that is being sold for later, or immediate consumption.
• If cheese that was sold to an individual or group causes harm to the consumer(s) of that cheese, then that vendor, salesman, or store will receive a fiscal punishment.
§ 4 – Regulation on the Production of Cheese
• If cheese is produced with harmful chemicals or other harmful substances, or substances that have not been approved by C.H.E.E.S.E. it cannot be sold to a vendor, salesman, or store, for resale and consumption.
• If cheese that was sold to a store, salesman, or vendor, causes harm to the consumer(s) of that cheese, then whoever may have produced that cheese will receive a fiscal punishment.
§ 5 – C.H.E.E.S.E.
• A board to oversee that this act is followed shall be formed
• It shall be known as the Cheese Health Entitlement Enterprise and Safety Edict, or C.H.E.E.S.E.
• It shall be consisted of three members, who are to be appointed by the Minister of Health
• The president may veto any appointment to the board
• A member of the board may be removed at any time by the President or Minister of Health

[New Zepuha]

Anti-Smuggling Act
An act to secure our borders against blackmarket dealings and dangerous cartels.

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| Author: Gloria deGroot [FCP] | Sponsors: Lukas Castillo [FCP], Nicolás Leguizamón [PT], David Vera Cruz [WA], Aaron Ortiz [PT], Liam Giuliani [DL]|

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Definitions:

smuggling - to move (goods) illegally into or out of a country and/or to convey (someone or something) somewhere secretly and illicitly.

Section 0. Preamble

This act is intent on making sure that recent legislation are actually enforceable and do not place undue burden upon the owners of illegal weapons so much as to punish the providers of these illegal weapons and secure our borders against the transport of particularly dangerous materials and hazardous wastes.

Section 1. General Smuggling

a) This act prohibits the import of any goods through any process which seeks to bypass procedures set out by the laws of this nation
b) Prohibits the export of goods that seek to bypass legal procedures of Calaverde and/or other nations
b) Declares that any smuggled goods may be seized by the government of Calaverde

Section 2. Smuggling of Human Beings

a) This act declares that the smuggling of human beings across international borders without their consent to be heinous and illegal
b) This act also prohibits the smuggling of human beings with their consent if they seek to bypass lawful procedures
c) If a person is seeking asylum, they may enter the nation under detention; the person will be detained up to 30 days and if a decision on their asylum status has not been reached they may be paroled to the public
i) While on parole the asylum seeker must check in to a local police station every two weeks
ii) If the asylum seeker fails to report in they may be arrested and deported

Section 3. Trafficking of Illegal Goods or People

a) Prohibits the movement of illegal goods, materials, or people within the nation
b) Permits the police forces of Calaverde to impound any transportation device in which any smuggled materials are carried
i) Transportation devices impounded may be released by any sitting judge or after a non-guilty sentence is issued in any resulting criminal trial
ii) If no criminal trial proceeds after the impound of these transportation devices, they must be released after a period of 20 days


Section 4. Offenses

Trafficking - the movement of illegal goods, materials, or people within Calaverde. [This crime is punishable by a maximum of a fifteen(15) year prison sentence.]

Smuggling - the import of illegal goods, materials, or people with the intent to bypass legal procedures of import. [This crime is punishable by a maximum of ten(10) year prison sentence.]

Act Against Graduated Electronic Decelerators
An act to prevent inhumane treatment of the mentally ill.

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| Author: Gloria deGroot [FCP] | Sponsors: Lukas Castillo [FCP], Nicolás Leguizamón [PT], David Vera Cruz [WA], Liam Giuliani [DL], Michael Giuliani [DL]|

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Definitions:

GED - graduated electronic decelerator, device used to send electric shocks to the skin as an aversive punishment

Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) - is a procedure in which electric currents are passed through the brain, intentionally triggering a brief seizure.

Section 0. Preamble

This act is one meant to protect the mentally disturbed of this nation and many other from the harmful effects of Graduated Electronic Decelerators both psychically and mentally. It is worth noting that the UN has declared these devices to be in violation of basic human rights.

Section 1. Operative Clause

a) This act hereby bans all GEDs and require that any in use currently be immediately shut down and turned into a local government center where the police may collect them for disposal.
b) This act requires that the manufacture and sale of GEDs be hereby forbidden from the point of this bill becoming law onward.
c) This act classifies GEDs as torture devices.

Sub-Section A. Regulation of Electroconvulsive Therapy

a) Requires that before electroconvulsive therapy may occur, consent of a mentally capable guardian or patient must be given in written or recorded verbal form
b) Requires that the therapy must be administered by a licensed medical professional and monitored by at least one other medical staff member
c) Requires that all ECT treatments be recorded for legal record

Section 2. Offenses

Torture - anyone who knowingly inflicts severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain is guilty of the crime of Torture. [This crime is punishable by a maximum of a $50,000 fine and/or a ten(10) year prison sentence.]

Illegal Operation of a Graduated Electronic Decelerator - the knowing usage, sale, or manufacture of a GED. [This crime is punishable by a maximum of a $10,000 fine and/or a one(1) year prison sentence.]

Medical malpractice - professional negligence by act or omission by a health care provider in which the treatment provided falls below the accepted standard of practice in the medical community and causes injury or death to the patient. [This crime is punishable by a maximum of a $55,000 fine and the removal of medical license.]

Need one more for the Anti-Smuggling and two more for the GED bill. Also I sponsor Nihl's bill.

[Casearius]

Anti-Smuggling Act
An act to secure our borders against blackmarket dealings and dangerous cartels.

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| Author: Gloria deGroot [FCP] | Sponsors: Lukas Castillo [FCP], Nicolás Leguizamón [PT], David Vera Cruz [WA], Aaron Ortiz [PT]|

---

Definitions:

smuggling - to move (goods) illegally into or out of a country and/or to convey (someone or something) somewhere secretly and illicitly.

Section 0. Preamble

This act is intent on making sure that recent legislation are actually enforceable and do not place undue burden upon the owners of illegal weapons so much as to punish the providers of these illegal weapons and secure our borders against the transport of particularly dangerous materials and hazardous wastes.

Section 1. General Smuggling

a) This act prohibits the import of any goods through any process which seeks to bypass procedures set out by the laws of this nation
b) Prohibits the export of goods that seek to bypass legal procedures of Calaverde and/or other nations
b) Declares that any smuggled goods may be seized by the government of Calaverde

Section 2. Smuggling of Human Beings

a) This act declares that the smuggling of human beings across international borders without their consent to be heinous and illegal
b) This act also prohibits the smuggling of human beings with their consent if they seek to bypass lawful procedures
c) If a person is seeking asylum, they may enter the nation under detention; the person will be detained up to 30 days and if a decision on their asylum status has not been reached they may be paroled to the public
i) While on parole the asylum seeker must check in to a local police station every two weeks
ii) If the asylum seeker fails to report in they may be arrested and deported

Section 3. Trafficking of Illegal Goods or People

a) Prohibits the movement of illegal goods, materials, or people within the nation
b) Permits the police forces of Calaverde to impound any transportation device in which any smuggled materials are carried
i) Transportation devices impounded may be released by any sitting judge or after a non-guilty sentence is issued in any resulting criminal trial
ii) If no criminal trial proceeds after the impound of these transportation devices, they must be released after a period of 20 days


Section 4. Offenses

Trafficking - the movement of illegal goods, materials, or people within Calaverde. [This crime is punishable by a maximum of a fifteen(15) year prison sentence.]

Smuggling - the import of illegal goods, materials, or people with the intent to bypass legal procedures of import. [This crime is punishable by a maximum of ten(10) year prison sentence.]

Act Against Graduated Electronic Decelerators
An act to prevent inhumane treatment of the mentally ill.

---

| Author: Gloria deGroot [FCP] | Sponsors: Lukas Castillo [FCP], Nicolás Leguizamón [PT], David Vera Cruz [WA]|

---

Definitions:

GED - graduated electronic decelerator, device used to send electric shocks to the skin as an aversive punishment

Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) - is a procedure in which electric currents are passed through the brain, intentionally triggering a brief seizure.

Section 0. Preamble

This act is one meant to protect the mentally disturbed of this nation and many other from the harmful effects of Graduated Electronic Decelerators both psychically and mentally. It is worth noting that the UN has declared these devices to be in violation of basic human rights.

Section 1. Operative Clause

a) This act hereby bans all GEDs and require that any in use currently be immediately shut down and turned into a local government center where the police may collect them for disposal.
b) This act requires that the manufacture and sale of GEDs be hereby forbidden from the point of this bill becoming law onward.
c) This act classifies GEDs as torture devices.

Sub-Section A. Regulation of Electroconvulsive Therapy

a) Requires that before electroconvulsive therapy may occur, consent of a mentally capable guardian or patient must be given in written or recorded verbal form
b) Requires that the therapy must be administered by a licensed medical professional and monitored by at least one other medical staff member
c) Requires that all ECT treatments be recorded for legal record

Section 2. Offenses

Torture - anyone who knowingly inflicts severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain is guilty of the crime of Torture. [This crime is punishable by a maximum of a $50,000 fine and/or a ten(10) year prison sentence.]

Illegal Operation of a Graduated Electronic Decelerator - the knowing usage, sale, or manufacture of a GED. [This crime is punishable by a maximum of a $10,000 fine and/or a one(1) year prison sentence.]

Medical malpractice - professional negligence by act or omission by a health care provider in which the treatment provided falls below the accepted standard of practice in the medical community and causes injury or death to the patient. [This crime is punishable by a maximum of a $55,000 fine and the removal of medical license.]

Need one more for the Anti-Smuggling and two more for the GED bill. Also I sponsor Nihl's bill.

I'll sponsor the GED and Anti-Smuggling Bill

[The New World Oceania]

Thoughts on bringing a revised Calaverdean Establishment Act to work in accordance with, rather than in replacement of, the Government Establishment Act?

[Lykens]

Thoughts on bringing a revised Calaverdean Establishment Act to work in accordance with, rather than in replacement of, the Government Establishment Act?

Amend the GEA, the CEA was rather horrendous. Even after you edited most of the really bad stuff, it was still bad.

[Ainin]

"Don't fix what isn't broken."

[The New World Oceania]

Thoughts on bringing a revised Calaverdean Establishment Act to work in accordance with, rather than in replacement of, the Government Establishment Act?

Amend the GEA, the CEA was rather horrendous. Even after you edited most of the really bad stuff, it was still bad.

You must recognize your own bias. My revisions were procedural, not conceptual, and my telegrams gave just about a 50/50 line between support and rejection of the bill from preliminary polling.
Which parts were unfavorable?

"Don't fix what isn't broken."

"Please, the First Cabinet is nearly halfway through its term and what has it accomplished? The Government Establishment Act's effectiveness has come only so far as to hinder previously fluid debate with bureaucracy. We ought to be able to debate and vote and move, much rather than need countless hours of bickering over required seconds and the Speaker's jurisdiction.
Get us a bridge between the Executive and Legislative, get us an Executive that can do more than Aminev, and get us a branch of Judiciary that can deal with legislative issues in due time rather than force us to wait days for the molasses of our national courts. Then it will be fixed!"

[People Who Say Ni]

The problem with the senate's efficiency isn't with mandatory seconding - that procedure is important for the accountability of the government; what we really need is the ability to vote on multiple bills at once.

[Great Nepal]

The problem with the senate's efficiency isn't with mandatory seconding - that procedure is important for the accountability of the government; what we really need is the ability to vote on multiple bills at once.

Our parliament is more efficient than most other legislatures - point isn't to pass as many bills as possible it is to pass good bills (OOC: and to pass bills at steady rate, if we pass bills on most issues in first two months what do you plan on doing after that - interest dries up and RP dies).

[The Nihilistic view]

"Don't fix what isn't broken."

This ^

[The Nihilistic view]

The problem with the senate's efficiency isn't with mandatory seconding - that procedure is important for the accountability of the government; what we really need is the ability to vote on multiple bills at once.

Our parliament is more efficient than most other legislatures - point isn't to pass as many bills as possible it is to pass good bills (OOC: and to pass bills at steady rate, if we pass bills on most issues in first two months what do you plan on doing after that - interest dries up and RP dies).

Yep, that's one thing that happened in Aurentina. Passed all the important stuff and then interest started to dry up as legislation was done on the big things. And also how parliament is supposed to scrutinise 7 bills properly at once I don't know, I don't think we did a very good job on that in Aurentina given the number of repeals that then went through. The only things that should be voted on at the same time is minor amendments to passed bills on similar topics.

[New Zepuha]

Need one more for the Anti-Smuggling and two more for the GED bill. Also I sponsor Nihl's bill.

I'll sponsor the GED and Anti-Smuggling Bill

One more for GEDs and we can finally outlaw these torture devices.

[The Nihilistic view]

Ok so penalties for fraudulent claims. I'm thinking fines. Not sure about jail terms but was thinking being kicked out of parliament and barred from ever standing for parliament again might be a good one.

100% back jail terms. A fine won't do much if they've made enough money from bribery anyway.

Ok so what about a 2 year minimum sentence for those found guilty? That length of sentence would automatically rule them out of holding office anyway.

[The Nihilistic view]

I just found a conflict in the GEA over the PM.

Part I
§2 - Powers held by the president a. The president shall appoint a member of legislature who commands majority in the legislature into office of the prime minister.

and

Part II
§1 - The prime minister h. Prime minister shall not automatically be member of the legislature however holding office of prime minister shall not disqualify same person from holding office as member of legislature.


An amendment removing the underlined or amending it to the PM having to be part of the legislature would probably be a good idea.

[The New World Oceania]

I just found a conflict in the GEA over the PM.

Part I
§2 - Powers held by the president a. The president shall appoint a member of legislature who commands majority in the legislature into office of the prime minister.

and

Part II
§1 - The prime minister h. Prime minister shall not automatically be member of the legislature however holding office of prime minister shall not disqualify same person from holding office as member of legislature.


An amendment removing the underlined or amending it to the PM having to be part of the legislature would probably be a good idea.

There's nothing substantial there, just more words than necessary. Part 1 enforces that it needs to be a member of legislature — the offending clause is essentially nullified anyway.

[Collatis]

Michael Giuliani - DL shall sponsor the GED bill.

[Britanno]

What has bribery got to do with expenses fraud?

Sorry, when I posted I for some reason thought you were talking about corruption.