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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:00 pm

Employers should only cover some of the cost of the government scheme.
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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:01 pm

Geilinor wrote:I made some of the suggested changes.

The Unemployment Assistance Act
| Author: Geneviève Duflot (Geilinor, LDP) |
| Sponsors: Tony Blair (Dejanic, LDP)

An act to establish a system to assist unemployed workers, with a focus on the Ghent system, where labor unions play a significant role in the provision of benefits.




Article I - Definitions
I. Labor union - A voluntary association of employees that organizes to lobby for improved working conditions.



Article II
I. The right of labor unions to provide for a pool of unemployment insurance benefits and set the terms of contributions shall be affirmed. Employees may also join non-union administered benefit plans.

II. Employers shall be required to contribute 25% of the cost of an unemployment insurance scheme and the Ministry of Labor shall contribute 25%.

III. The amount paid to a unemployment insurance shall be deductible from income or corporate tax.



Article III - State Unemployment Assistance
I. Employees may enroll in the State Unemployment Assistance Program, which the Ministry of Social Welfare shall establish and administer.

II. Employees who are members of the State Unemployment Assistance Program shall have 2% of their monthly income deducted from their wages and paid to the State Unemployment Assistance Program. The contribution is tax-deductible.

III. Employers shall contribute 2% of monthly wages paid to the State Unemployment Assistance Program if their employees choose to join the program. The contribution is tax-deductible.

IV. The State Unemployment Assistance Program shall pay an amount equal to at least 70% of a displayed worker's previous monthly wages, up to a maximum of the national average full-time wage as calculated by the Ministry of Labor, for up to six months.



I will admit, this bill scared me a bit, because it requires businesses to pay for employee's unemployment benefits, but then, I had seen that the amount paid is taken from our corporate taxes.

How much would it cost my business (the 25% unemployment scheme payments)?
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Postby Atlanticatia » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:21 pm

Geilinor wrote:I made some of the suggested changes.

The Unemployment Assistance Act
| Author: Geneviève Duflot (Geilinor, LDP) |
| Sponsors: Tony Blair (Dejanic, LDP)

An act to establish a system to assist unemployed workers, with a focus on the Ghent system, where labor unions play a significant role in the provision of benefits.




Article I - Definitions
I. Labor union - A voluntary association of employees that organizes to lobby for improved working conditions.



Article II
I. The right of labor unions to provide for a pool of unemployment insurance benefits and set the terms of contributions shall be affirmed. Employees may also join non-union administered benefit plans.

II. Employers shall be required to contribute 25% of the cost of an unemployment insurance scheme and the Ministry of Labor shall contribute 25%.

III. The amount paid to a unemployment insurance shall be deductible from income or corporate tax.



Article III - State Unemployment Assistance
I. Employees may enroll in the State Unemployment Assistance Program, which the Ministry of Social Welfare shall establish and administer.

II. Employees who are members of the State Unemployment Assistance Program shall have 2% of their monthly income deducted from their wages and paid to the State Unemployment Assistance Program. The contribution is tax-deductible.

III. Employers shall contribute 2% of monthly wages paid to the State Unemployment Assistance Program if their employees choose to join the program. The contribution is tax-deductible.

IV. The State Unemployment Assistance Program shall pay an amount equal to at least 70% of a displayed worker's previous monthly wages, up to a maximum of the national average full-time wage as calculated by the Ministry of Labor, for up to six months.




I think there should be a statutory state benefit, at a flat rate. But I suppose that would be the responsibility of the welfare ministry.
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Postby Ikania » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:22 pm

Seems we haven't decided on a flag yet. I came up with this one a while ago, and Maklohi Vai made it for me. I saw that other one with the bar in the left, not my thing. Here's my proposal.
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The blue is for the sea, that which surrounds our nation and is filled with the water we drink.

White for a hope of everlasting peace in spite of a violent history.

The stars are for the four nations that have influenced us the most (Spain, Netherlands, Britain and France), and they are colored green to match the color of the tropical forest found in Calaverde, as well as representing the Verde part of the name.

Anyone like it?
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Postby Argentarino » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:23 pm

Ikania wrote:Seems we haven't decided on a flag yet. I came up with this one a while ago, and Maklohi Vai made it for me. I saw that other one with the bar in the left, not my thing. Here's my proposal.

The blue is for the sea, that which surrounds our nation and is filled with the water we drink.

White for a hope of everlasting peace in spite of a violent history.

The stars are for the four nations that have influenced us the most (Spain, Netherlands, Britain and France), and they are colored green to match the color of the tropical forest found in Calaverde, as well as representing the Verde part of the name.

Anyone like it?

I like it. You know what would make it better? A map to go with it *squints at mapmakers* :P
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:24 pm

My favorite as well, unsurprisingly.
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Postby Ikania » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:26 pm

Argentarino wrote:
Ikania wrote:Seems we haven't decided on a flag yet. I came up with this one a while ago, and Maklohi Vai made it for me. I saw that other one with the bar in the left, not my thing. Here's my proposal.

The blue is for the sea, that which surrounds our nation and is filled with the water we drink.

White for a hope of everlasting peace in spite of a violent history.

The stars are for the four nations that have influenced us the most (Spain, Netherlands, Britain and France), and they are colored green to match the color of the tropical forest found in Calaverde, as well as representing the Verde part of the name.

Anyone like it?

I like it. You know what would make it better? A map to go with it *squints at mapmakers* :P

Thanks, I believe Heraklea created one a while back that's our de facto map for now. Here's one that the Christian organization edited, so there are no city names, just a map and some diocese.
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Postby Lykens » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:28 pm

Ikania wrote:
Argentarino wrote:I like it. You know what would make it better? A map to go with it *squints at mapmakers* :P

Thanks, I believe Heraklea created one a while back that's our de facto map for now. Here's one that the Christian organization edited, so there are no city names, just a map and some diocese.

That's the one TLT made, he said we would have a constituency thread sometime last week or the week before, but I believe he and NB are both busy.
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Postby Ikania » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:35 pm

Lykens wrote:
Ikania wrote:Thanks, I believe Heraklea created one a while back that's our de facto map for now. Here's one that the Christian organization edited, so there are no city names, just a map and some diocese.

That's the one TLT made, he said we would have a constituency thread sometime last week or the week before, but I believe he and NB are both busy.

Ah, thanks. Like the flag? :D
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Postby Lykens » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:37 pm

Ikania wrote:
Lykens wrote:That's the one TLT made, he said we would have a constituency thread sometime last week or the week before, but I believe he and NB are both busy.

Ah, thanks. Like the flag? :D

Very Honduran, but you explained to me the geographical closeness in the IRC when you first brought it up.

I'm still indifferent.
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Postby Ikania » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:42 pm

Lykens wrote:
Ikania wrote:Ah, thanks. Like the flag? :D

Very Honduran, but you explained to me the geographical closeness in the IRC when you first brought it up.

I'm still indifferent.

Why does everyone keep saying it's Honduras? There are other flags in the world with blue borders.
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Postby Lykens » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:43 pm

Ikania wrote:
Lykens wrote:Very Honduran, but you explained to me the geographical closeness in the IRC when you first brought it up.

I'm still indifferent.

Why does everyone keep saying it's Honduras? There are other flags in the world with blue borders.

Not many have stars in the center, like Honduras. Granted we only have four, and in a separate pattern, but they're close.
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Postby Ikania » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:56 pm

Should I propose this in the lobby?
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:57 pm

Ikania wrote:Should I propose this in the lobby?

It probably would have been better in there, seeing as you don't have a bill yet. I would recommend moving discussion over there now.
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Postby Ikania » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:01 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Ikania wrote:Should I propose this in the lobby?

It probably would have been better in there, seeing as you don't have a bill yet. I would recommend moving discussion over there now.

That's what I mean. Moving over now.
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Postby Ikania » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:55 pm

Alright, here's my first draft of the Calaverdean Flag Act. Section II is more or less plagiarized from the Canadian Rules for Flying the flag, so if anyone could help me edit it in a way that makes it more original would be greatly appreciated. Obviously this features my version of the flag, which is why I expect it to face heavy opposition. Any sponsors?

The Calaverdean Flag Act
| Author: Simon Almagro, LDP |
| Sponsors: Gloria Salinas DeGroot (FCP), Drago Dragomere (CP)|

An act to establish a flag that represents Calaverdean unity, as well as giving guidelines on its use.




Preamble

The government of Calaverde,

NOTICING that the nation has no official flag,

WISHING to create a sense of unity and national pride in the country,

AS WELL AS wanting to create a banner under which all Calaverdeans can live,

INTENDING to create a fair and appealing flag with regards to our heritage and culture,

HEREBY PROCLAIMS that the national flag of Calaverde shall be as follows:

Aritcle I: The Flag

1. The flag shall be three horizontal stripes in the order of blue, white, blue from top to bottom. In the center of the middle stripe shall be four green stars in a row.

2. The blue represents the sea; that which surrounds our nation.

3. The white represents a hope for everlasting peace, prosperity and stability for all Calaverdeans.

4. The four stars represent the four founding nations of our country, in no particular order; Spain, the Netherlands, Britain and France.

5. The green in the stars represents the lush forests and tropical jungles that embody Calaverde.

Article II: Usage guidelines

1. Section II is created as a guideline for the purpose of defining how to fly the flag and display it when done by the government; section II shall have no effect on civilian flags or standards.

2. The National Flag of Calaverde shall be displayed only in a manner befitting this important national symbol; it shall not be subjected to indignity or displayed in a position inferior to any other flag or ensign. The National Flag always takes precedence over all other national flags when flown in Calaverde. The National Flag of Calaverde should always be flown on its own mast - flag protocol dictating that it is improper to fly two or more flags on the same mast.

3. The National Flag is flown at all federal government buildings, airports and military bases within and outside Calaverde. The flag may be flown by night as well as by day.

4. When a period of mourning occurs, either for the government or a close ally, the Calaverdean flag is permitted and encourage to be flown at half mast in honor of the dead by any government building.

Article III: Defacing the flag and vandalism

1. It is illegal for any government building to fly a defaced or vandalized Calaverdean flag unless unaware of the defamation.

2. It is legal, though highly discouraged for any citizen to publicly burn, step upon or otherwise intentionally insult the flag for the purpose of protest or otherwise, unless done in necessity (e.g. being used to keep a fire going when other sources have run out).
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Postby New Zepuha » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:58 pm

Ikania wrote:Alright, here's my first draft of the Calaverdean Flag Act. Section II is more or less plagiarized from the Canadian Rules for Flying the flag, so if anyone could help me edit it in a way that makes it more original would be greatly appreciated. Obviously this features my version of the flag, which is why I expect it to face heavy opposition. Any sponsors?

The Calaverdean Flag Act
| Author: Simon Almagro, LDP |
| Sponsors: |

An act to establish a flag that represents Calaverdean unity, as well as giving guidelines on its use.




Preamble

The government of Calaverde,

NOTICING that the nation has no official flag,

WISHING to create a sense of unity and national pride in the country,

AS WELL AS wanting to create a banner under which all Calaverdeans can live,

INTENDING to create a fair and appealing flag with regards to our heritage and culture,

HEREBY PROCLAIMS that the national flag of Calaverde shall be as follows:

Section I: The Flag

The flag shall be three horizontal stripes in the order of blue, white, blue from top to bottom. In the center of the middle stripe shall be four green stars in a row.

The blue represents the sea; that which surrounds our nation.

The white represents a hope for everlasting peace, prosperity and stability for all Calaverdeans.

The four stars represent the four founding nations of our country, in no particular order; Spain, the Netherlands, Britain and France.

The green in the stars represents the lush forests and tropical jungles that embody Calaverde.

Section II: Usage guidelines

Section II is created as a guideline for the purpose of defining how to fly the flag and display it when done by the government; section II shall have no effect on civilian flags or standards.

The National Flag of Calaverde shall be displayed only in a manner befitting this important national symbol; it shall not be subjected to indignity or displayed in a position inferior to any other flag or ensign. The National Flag always takes precedence over all other national flags when flown in Calaverde. The National Flag of Calaverde should always be flown on its own mast - flag protocol dictating that it is improper to fly two or more flags on the same mast.

The National Flag is flown at all federal government buildings, airports and military bases within and outside Calaverde. The flag may be flown by night as well as by day.

When a period of mourning occurs, either for the government or a close ally, the Calaverdean flag is permitted and encourage to be flown at half mast in honor of the dead by any government building.

Section III: Defacing the flag and vandalism

1. It is illegal for any government building to fly a defaced or vandalized Calaverdean flag unless unaware of the defamation.

2. It is illegal for any citizen to publicly burn, step upon (unless the item was created specifically for the purpose of being stepped upon [e.g. a doormat, floor mural, etc]) or otherwise intentionally insult the flag for the purpose of protest or otherwise, unless done in necessity (e.g. being used to keep a fire going when other sources have run out). This offense shall count as insulting the flag and shall incur a minimum fine of $500, with an added $250 for each additional offense.

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Postby Heraklea- » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:58 pm

Ikania wrote:Alright, here's my first draft of the Calaverdean Flag Act. Section II is more or less plagiarized from the Canadian Rules for Flying the flag, so if anyone could help me edit it in a way that makes it more original would be greatly appreciated. Obviously this features my version of the flag, which is why I expect it to face heavy opposition. Any sponsors?

The Calaverdean Flag Act
| Author: Simon Almagro, LDP |
| Sponsors: |

An act to establish a flag that represents Calaverdean unity, as well as giving guidelines on its use.




Preamble

The government of Calaverde,

NOTICING that the nation has no official flag,

WISHING to create a sense of unity and national pride in the country,

AS WELL AS wanting to create a banner under which all Calaverdeans can live,

INTENDING to create a fair and appealing flag with regards to our heritage and culture,

HEREBY PROCLAIMS that the national flag of Calaverde shall be as follows:

Section I: The Flag

The flag shall be three horizontal stripes in the order of blue, white, blue from top to bottom. In the center of the middle stripe shall be four green stars in a row.

The blue represents the sea; that which surrounds our nation.

The white represents a hope for everlasting peace, prosperity and stability for all Calaverdeans.

The four stars represent the four founding nations of our country, in no particular order; Spain, the Netherlands, Britain and France.

The green in the stars represents the lush forests and tropical jungles that embody Calaverde.

Section II: Usage guidelines

Section II is created as a guideline for the purpose of defining how to fly the flag and display it when done by the government; section II shall have no effect on civilian flags or standards.

The National Flag of Calaverde shall be displayed only in a manner befitting this important national symbol; it shall not be subjected to indignity or displayed in a position inferior to any other flag or ensign. The National Flag always takes precedence over all other national flags when flown in Calaverde. The National Flag of Calaverde should always be flown on its own mast - flag protocol dictating that it is improper to fly two or more flags on the same mast.

The National Flag is flown at all federal government buildings, airports and military bases within and outside Calaverde. The flag may be flown by night as well as by day.

When a period of mourning occurs, either for the government or a close ally, the Calaverdean flag is permitted and encourage to be flown at half mast in honor of the dead by any government building.

Section III: Defacing the flag and vandalism

1. It is illegal for any government building to fly a defaced or vandalized Calaverdean flag unless unaware of the defamation.

2. It is illegal for any citizen to publicly burn, step upon (unless the item was created specifically for the purpose of being stepped upon [e.g. a doormat, floor mural, etc]) or otherwise intentionally insult the flag for the purpose of protest or otherwise, unless done in necessity (e.g. being used to keep a fire going when other sources have run out). This offense shall count as insulting the flag and shall incur a minimum fine of $500, with an added $250 for each additional offense.

Firstly, I think we should have a flag contest before we put it into an act. Secondly, I am firmly against Section III Article 2. While I do not support the defacement of our national flag, it is the place of society to apply social pressure to not do so, not the state to criminalize it.

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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:59 pm

Ikania wrote:Alright, here's my first draft of the Calaverdean Flag Act. Section II is more or less plagiarized from the Canadian Rules for Flying the flag, so if anyone could help me edit it in a way that makes it more original would be greatly appreciated. Obviously this features my version of the flag, which is why I expect it to face heavy opposition. Any sponsors?

The Calaverdean Flag Act
| Author: Simon Almagro, LDP |
| Sponsors: |

An act to establish a flag that represents Calaverdean unity, as well as giving guidelines on its use.




Preamble

The government of Calaverde,

NOTICING that the nation has no official flag,

WISHING to create a sense of unity and national pride in the country,

AS WELL AS wanting to create a banner under which all Calaverdeans can live,

INTENDING to create a fair and appealing flag with regards to our heritage and culture,

HEREBY PROCLAIMS that the national flag of Calaverde shall be as follows:

Section I: The Flag

The flag shall be three horizontal stripes in the order of blue, white, blue from top to bottom. In the center of the middle stripe shall be four green stars in a row.

The blue represents the sea; that which surrounds our nation.

The white represents a hope for everlasting peace, prosperity and stability for all Calaverdeans.

The four stars represent the four founding nations of our country, in no particular order; Spain, the Netherlands, Britain and France.

The green in the stars represents the lush forests and tropical jungles that embody Calaverde.

Section II: Usage guidelines

Section II is created as a guideline for the purpose of defining how to fly the flag and display it when done by the government; section II shall have no effect on civilian flags or standards.

The National Flag of Calaverde shall be displayed only in a manner befitting this important national symbol; it shall not be subjected to indignity or displayed in a position inferior to any other flag or ensign. The National Flag always takes precedence over all other national flags when flown in Calaverde. The National Flag of Calaverde should always be flown on its own mast - flag protocol dictating that it is improper to fly two or more flags on the same mast.

The National Flag is flown at all federal government buildings, airports and military bases within and outside Calaverde. The flag may be flown by night as well as by day.

When a period of mourning occurs, either for the government or a close ally, the Calaverdean flag is permitted and encourage to be flown at half mast in honor of the dead by any government building.

Section III: Defacing the flag and vandalism

1. It is illegal for any government building to fly a defaced or vandalized Calaverdean flag unless unaware of the defamation.

2. It is illegal for any citizen to publicly burn, step upon (unless the item was created specifically for the purpose of being stepped upon [e.g. a doormat, floor mural, etc]) or otherwise intentionally insult the flag for the purpose of protest or otherwise, unless done in necessity (e.g. being used to keep a fire going when other sources have run out). This offense shall count as insulting the flag and shall incur a minimum fine of $500, with an added $250 for each additional offense.

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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:59 pm

Opposed, due to Section 3, Article 2.
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Ikania
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Postby Ikania » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:03 pm

I see. Post edited to instead strongly discourage such.
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Postby Lykens » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:03 pm

Section three two better be opposed by the PT member who was claiming about barrier zones around abortion clinics as infringement upon the right to free speech.

Remove that entire section, and I'm sure you'll find more sponsors.
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Postby Unicario » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:04 pm

Ikania wrote:I see. Post edited to instead strongly discourage such.


See, I think we should follow the Yanqui example here -- it's legal, even if socially not really liked. The law should protect the freedom to do so, even if many don't agree with it.
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Postby New Zepuha » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:04 pm

Ikania wrote:I see. Post edited to instead strongly discourage such.

Don't worry, if they are burning a flag they can still be jailed for disorderly conduct.
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Ikania
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Postby Ikania » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:05 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
Ikania wrote:I see. Post edited to instead strongly discourage such.

Don't worry, if they are burning a flag they can still be jailed for disorderly conduct.

Good. Sponsors now that it's edited? I think I need five to submit it to the queue.
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