NSG Senate Coffee Shop: We don't serve decaf

[Arkanzia (Ancient)]

"You need to modify the wording on the communications portion, because, there are some loopholes where if a news station releases a negative article on someone, this bill could be used as a threat in and of itself. I support the rest of it though.

"Would you mind awfully quoting that section and showing what edits you feel should be made?"
OOC: doing uni work, otherwise I would trawl through it myself. Also, if you see random mentions of "Scotland", it's because this is a modified and fictionalised adaption of a real life highly controversial law introduced in Scotland Im putting forward to see how people on here react.

[Ainin]

B.) Because you oppose forcing other people to pay for services they morally disagree with, I hope?

If I morally disagree with government, does that mean I can stop paying taxes?

[Murkwood]

This was lost in the debate. Any Sponsors?

So I was snooping around my computer when I found an old Baltonian bill I never got around to. It pertains well to this debate. Sponsors? Thoughts?

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The Abortion Accountability Act
| Author: Murkwood |
| Sponsors: Murkwood |


An Act designed to separate Government money from the controversial practice of Abortion.

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S1 - Separating Government Money
1.

Any operation that undergoes the medical process of abortion and receives money from the Calaverdean government must legally confirm not to use any of said money for the controversial practice of abortion.

2.

Likewise, the Calaverdean government must receive the confirmation outlined above from every service, national or international, that receives government money and performs abortions before any government money is provided to them.

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S2 - Penalties
1.

The governmental authority that issues the money is also responsible for making sure that the conformation is being upheld. A fine of $20,000 will be levied on any organization that does not comply with the preceding act.

2.

Routine offenders will be fined an added $50,000 for each offense.

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[Britanno]

B.) Because you oppose forcing other people to pay for services they morally disagree with, I hope?

So pacifists shouldn't have to pay taxes that fund the military?

[Murkwood]

Proposed flag.

(Image)

Orange: Our Dutch influences;
Red: The blood lost to the Junta and our Spanish and French influences (it's a colour in the flags of both countries);
White: The peaceful and harmonious society we seeks to build;
Blue: The sea and our British influences.

"The blood lost to the Junta"? That seems like holding a grudge.

[Arkanzia (Ancient)]

This was lost in the debate. Any Sponsors?

So I was snooping around my computer when I found an old Baltonian bill I never got around to. It pertains well to this debate. Sponsors? Thoughts?

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The Abortion Accountability Act
| Author: Murkwood |
| Sponsors: Murkwood |


An Act designed to separate Government money from the controversial practice of Abortion.

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S1 - Separating Government Money
1.

Any operation that undergoes the medical process of abortion and receives money from the Calaverdean government must legally confirm not to use any of said money for the controversial practice of abortion.

2.

Likewise, the Calaverdean government must receive the confirmation outlined above from every service, national or international, that receives government money and performs abortions before any government money is provided to them.

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S2 - Penalties
1.

The governmental authority that issues the money is also responsible for making sure that the conformation is being upheld. A fine of $20,000 will be levied on any organization that does not comply with the preceding act.

2.

Routine offenders will be fined an added $50,000 for each offense.

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"Sorry, I'm afraid I cannot provide you with a sponsorship."

[Murkwood]

This was lost in the debate. Any Sponsors?

"Sorry, I'm afraid I cannot provide you with a sponsorship."

Tis okay. I know some people who will. TLT seemed partial to it.

[Great Nepal]

You know I am half tempted to sponsor it just to watch it crash and burn in the chamber...

[Britanno]

"The blood lost to the Junta"? That seems like holding a grudge.

"Maybe some of us do hold a grudge against those who served the bloodthirsty junta, senator."

[The Liberated Territories]

B.) Because you oppose forcing other people to pay for services they morally disagree with, I hope?

If I morally disagree with government, does that mean I can stop paying taxes?

Yes

B.) Because you oppose forcing other people to pay for services they morally disagree with, I hope?

So pacifists shouldn't have to pay taxes that fund the military?

Yes.

They already can opt out of it anyway.

[Murkwood]

"The blood lost to the Junta"? That seems like holding a grudge.

"Maybe some of us do hold a grudge against those who served the bloodthirsty junta, senator."

"It seems like you are blaming the past for your current problems. We need to move on."

[Britanno]

"It seems like you are blaming the past for your current problems. We need to move on."

"Ah yes, move on. That'd be convenient for you wouldn't it? As for my current problems, I'm not seeing them. You're the one that got completely rejected by the electorate."

[Patria Magna]

About the Fair Labor Act:

"The right to time taken off work, either paid or unpaid, for the purposes of rest and recovery, without fear of dismissal," is listed. The "purposes of rest and recovery" phrase is much too broad. After all, employers should be allowed to fire employees that go vacation on the islands 364 days a year.

[Pyotr Aminev]

The TRUTH About the Junta.

[Maklohi Vai]

Splitting this post up, IC first, then admin stuff, then OOC.

"The VP's recent comments."

"I am very much opposed to the Vice President's comments. He has his personal opinion, and I have mine."

"Senator, I do not believe I have been given the chance to outline my full thoughts on abortion, nor do I see what, in what little I have said, would warrant your vehement opposition. If we may discuss this privately, I would be glad to clear up misconceptions."

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*admin hat on*

OOC- I'm just putting it out there- I'm sure there's an abortion mega thread somewhere this can go. Can we perhaps move non-character stuff there and press on with reasoned IC debate that doesn't translate into personal attacks?

This is a very good idea. Too bad nobody followed through.

Arkanzia and Calimera. Please be civil towards one another. Arkanzia, you've made your point, now cut it out. Calimera, if you think someone is being immature towards you don't continue the conversation. It's as simple as that. No one cares about you're personal animosity each other. I speak as an admin when I say this.

To piggyback on this, the only reason you two aren't getting warned for spam is because you knocked it off when Beta told you to do so. The conversation on the pages prior certainly warrants it.

*admin hat off*

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OOC:

What is our official name? Republic of Calaverde? Calaverdean Republic?

The former.

Proposed flag.

(Image)

Orange: Our Dutch influences;
Red: The blood lost to the Junta and our Spanish and French influences (it's a colour in the flags of both countries);
White: The peaceful and harmonious society we seeks to build;
Blue: The sea and our British influences.

The Five Pints represent the unity of the English, French, Spanish, Dutch, and Portuguese speakers, the Green represents Calaverdean forests, the blue represents the seas, and the White is more of a space filler, and the black is there because the software I'm using makes it have that. Additionally it's a tricolour to represent Republicanism.

(Image)

We've had a host of flag proposals in the past:
viewtopic.php?p=22910097#p22910097
viewtopic.php?p=22909934#p22909934
viewtopic.php?p=22893357#p22893357
viewtopic.php?p=22893288#p22893288
viewtopic.php?p=22892174#p22892174
viewtopic.php?p=22888985#p22888985

[The Nihilistic view]

Ainin's flag best flag.

[Britanno]

I swear there was another one that I really liked...

[Lykens]

"Maybe some of us do hold a grudge against those who served the bloodthirsty junta, senator."

"It seems like you are blaming the past for your current problems. We need to move on."

"A conservative said that, I must be dreaming."

[Dragomerian Islands]

This was lost in the debate. Any Sponsors?

So I was snooping around my computer when I found an old Baltonian bill I never got around to. It pertains well to this debate. Sponsors? Thoughts?

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The Abortion Accountability Act
| Author: Murkwood |
| Sponsors: Murkwood |


An Act designed to separate Government money from the controversial practice of Abortion.

---

S1 - Separating Government Money
1.

Any operation that undergoes the medical process of abortion and receives money from the Calaverdean government must legally confirm not to use any of said money for the controversial practice of abortion.

2.

Likewise, the Calaverdean government must receive the confirmation outlined above from every service, national or international, that receives government money and performs abortions before any government money is provided to them.

---

S2 - Penalties
1.

The governmental authority that issues the money is also responsible for making sure that the conformation is being upheld. A fine of $20,000 will be levied on any organization that does not comply with the preceding act.

2.

Routine offenders will be fined an added $50,000 for each offense.

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I will sponsor.

[Murkwood]

This was lost in the debate. Any Sponsors?

I will sponsor.

Great! Anyone else?

[Britanno]

This is just a stupid way to try and limit abortion as much as possible. We are going to legalise abortion, deal with it.

[Dragomerian Islands]

This is just a stupid way to try and limit abortion as much as possible. We are going to legalise abortion, deal with it.

A nation that is realistically quite anti-abortion, legalizing it at the extent of the prevailing bill would be unrealistic.

[Britanno]

This is just a stupid way to try and limit abortion as much as possible. We are going to legalise abortion, deal with it.

A nation that is realistically quite anti-abortion, legalizing it at the extent of the prevailing bill would be unrealistic.

Says the person who claims a third of the population watch his worse-than-fox news bullshit.

[Sebastianbourg]

I swear there was another one that I really liked...

These?

[Lykens]

A nation that is realistically quite anti-abortion, legalizing it at the extent of the prevailing bill would be unrealistic.

Says the person who claims a third of the population watch his worse-than-fox news bullshit.

He hasn't talked about no-go zones, and isn't be sued by a foreign city though. That's pretty bad.