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[Ainin]

Everyone ok with this as a composition for the cabinet?

President
Vice President
Prime Minister
Deputy Prime Minister
Finance Minister
Foreign Minister
Domestic Minister
Health Minister
Education Minister
Defence Minister
Justice Minister
Welfare Minister
Business Minister
Culture Minister
Transport Minister
Energy & Environment Minister

Some terminology suggestions

Domestic Minister -> Minister of the Interior
Welfare Minister -> Minister of Social Services
Business Minister -> Minister of Commerce
Transport Minister -> Minister of Public Works

[The Nihilistic view]

Everyone ok with this as a composition for the cabinet?

President
Vice President
Prime Minister
Deputy Prime Minister
Finance Minister
Foreign Minister
Domestic Minister
Health Minister
Education Minister
Defence Minister
Justice Minister
Welfare Minister
Business Minister
Culture Minister
Transport Minister
Energy & Environment Minister

Some terminology suggestions

Domestic Minister -> Minister of the Interior
Welfare Minister -> Minister of Social Services
Business Minister -> Minister of Commerce
Transport Minister -> Minister of Public Works

Social services have nothing to do with welfare payments.

[Ainin]

Some terminology suggestions

Domestic Minister -> Minister of the Interior
Welfare Minister -> Minister of Social Services
Business Minister -> Minister of Commerce
Transport Minister -> Minister of Public Works

Social services have nothing to do with welfare payments.

1) A welfare ministry's job isn't to solely throw money at people. It'd take a whole range of portfolios, a large majority of which are social services.
2) Welfare is a social service, since a social service is "an activity designed to promote social well-being; specifically : organized philanthropic assistance (as of the disabled or disadvantaged)."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... %20service

[The Nihilistic view]

Social services have nothing to do with welfare payments.

1) A welfare ministry's job isn't to solely throw money at people. It'd take a whole range of portfolios, a large majority of which are social services.
2) Welfare is a social service, since a social service is "an activity designed to promote social well-being; specifically : organized philanthropic assistance (as of the disabled or disadvantaged)."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... %20service

Pretty much is.

We have;

Department for Communities and Local Government <Where UK social services come under
Department for Work and Pensions < Where UK welfare payments and other such things are handled.


EDIT: The two together is first off an absolute monstrosity. Secondly Welfare payments are the same across the board where as when it comes to social services local areas have differing needs from each other so one big central body administrating it would be a disaster. Therefore you have it devolved to a local level.

[Beta Test]

Also a Minister of Agriculture and a Minister of Communications might be useful.

[Bandwagon]

Also a Minister of Agriculture and a Minister of Communications might be useful.

Here's a few IRL examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_31st_D%C3%A1il#Changes_July_2014
Above is how how Ireland does it's cabinet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_Kingdom
How the UK does it's cabinet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_States#Current_Cabinet_and_Cabinet-level_officials
How the US Does it's cabinet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valls_Cabinet
How France does it's cabinet

[The New World Oceania]

Also a Minister of Agriculture and a Minister of Communications might be useful.

Here's a few IRL examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_31st_D%C3%A1il#Changes_July_2014
Above is how how Ireland does it's cabinet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_Kingdom
How the UK does it's cabinet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_States#Current_Cabinet_and_Cabinet-level_officials
How the US Does it's cabinet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valls_Cabinet
How France does it's cabinet

Don't forget Iran's absurdly complex government.

[Britanno]

Domestic Minister -> Minister of the Interior

This is where personal preference comes in. I just like Domestic better.

Welfare Minister -> Minister of Social Services

Open to discussion here, do we want things split like in the UK?

Business Minister -> Minister of Commerce

Personal preference again here.

Transport Minister -> Minister of Public Works

Public works is just... ew.

[Britanno]

Also a Minister of Agriculture and a Minister of Communications might be useful.

Agriculture could work I suppose, but I don't really think we need a Communications Minister tbh.

Here's a few IRL examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_31st_D%C3%A1il#Changes_July_2014
Above is how how Ireland does it's cabinet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_Kingdom
How the UK does it's cabinet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_States#Current_Cabinet_and_Cabinet-level_officials
How the US Does it's cabinet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valls_Cabinet
How France does it's cabinet

Thanks a lot, but could you actually make a point? I don't really see how a few Wikipedia links to stuff most people already know does anything.

[Arkolon]

Domestic Minister -> Minister of the Interior

This is where personal preference comes in. I just like Domestic better.

Home Affairs, or is that something else?

[Bandwagon]

Also a Minister of Agriculture and a Minister of Communications might be useful.

Agriculture could work I suppose, but I don't really think we need a Communications Minister tbh.

Here's a few IRL examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_31st_D%C3%A1il#Changes_July_2014
Above is how how Ireland does it's cabinet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_Kingdom
How the UK does it's cabinet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_States#Current_Cabinet_and_Cabinet-level_officials
How the US Does it's cabinet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valls_Cabinet
How France does it's cabinet

Thanks a lot, but could you actually make a point? I don't really see how a few Wikipedia links to stuff most people already know does anything.

I was just giving people a few ideas, so people have an idea of the basic principles of a cabinet.
It's so we can have intelligent decisions.

[Britanno]

Home Affairs, or is that something else?

Same thing.

[Mollary]

Can we have Secretaries instead of ministers? PRETTY PLEASE?

[Britanno]

Can we have Secretaries instead of ministers? PRETTY PLEASE?

NO! Ministers sounds so much cooler.

[Mollary]

Can we have Secretaries instead of ministers? PRETTY PLEASE?

NO! Ministers sounds so much cooler.

Nah, Secretary of State for Education is far fancier than education minister. We're both British here, minister is for losers and Ken Clarke (not the same thing, very different).

[Arkolon]

NO! Ministers sounds so much cooler.

Nah, Secretary of State for Education is far fancier than education minister. We're both British here, minister is for losers and Ken Clarke (not the same thing, very different).

Chancellor.

[Britanno]

Nah, Secretary of State for Education is far fancier than education minister. We're both British here, minister is for losers and Ken Clarke (not the same thing, very different).

Secretary is too posh. Minister sounds cooler.

[Beta Test]

Minister is also more Latin American.

[Ainin]

Domestic Minister -> Minister of the Interior

This is where personal preference comes in. I just like Domestic better.

But everyone in Latin America has an Interior Ministry. P

Welfare Minister -> Minister of Social Services

Open to discussion here, do we want things split like in the UK?

Considering we have a population that's likely the size of Greater Toronto, that's probably not a good idea.

Such a ministry would probably maintain more infrastructure than exclusively transport-related ones. That would flal under the category of public works.

[Ainin]

1) A welfare ministry's job isn't to solely throw money at people. It'd take a whole range of portfolios, a large majority of which are social services.
2) Welfare is a social service, since a social service is "an activity designed to promote social well-being; specifically : organized philanthropic assistance (as of the disabled or disadvantaged)."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... %20service

Pretty much is.

We have;

Department for Communities and Local Government <Where UK social services come under
Department for Work and Pensions < Where UK welfare payments and other such things are handled.


EDIT: The two together is first off an absolute monstrosity. Secondly Welfare payments are the same across the board where as when it comes to social services local areas have differing needs from each other so one big central body administrating it would be a disaster. Therefore you have it devolved to a local level.

That may hold true for the UK, but not for a tiny Caribbean nation that probably won't hit 10 million in population. A single ministry is capable of handling both tasks, considering welfare is a social service, and how many similarly-size jurisdictions merge the two together (Toronto, New York [the state], Ontario).

[Kouralia]

Whar am chamber/

[Geilinor]

1) A welfare ministry's job isn't to solely throw money at people. It'd take a whole range of portfolios, a large majority of which are social services.
2) Welfare is a social service, since a social service is "an activity designed to promote social well-being; specifically : organized philanthropic assistance (as of the disabled or disadvantaged)."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... %20service

Pretty much is.

We have;

Department for Communities and Local Government <Where UK social services come under
Department for Work and Pensions < Where UK welfare payments and other such things are handled.


EDIT: The two together is first off an absolute monstrosity. Secondly Welfare payments are the same across the board where as when it comes to social services local areas have differing needs from each other so one big central body administrating it would be a disaster. Therefore you have it devolved to a local level.

The UK doesn't do it centrally, but there are some countries, such as Australia, which have a monster department.

[The New World Oceania]

Nah, Secretary of State for Education is far fancier than education minister. We're both British here, minister is for losers and Ken Clarke (not the same thing, very different).

Chancellor.

Hella.

[Gothmogs]

I'd rather Environment and Energy be separate. They relate to each other for sure, but most people are more geared towards dealing with one or the other.

[The Nihilistic view]

Pretty much is.

We have;

Department for Communities and Local Government <Where UK social services come under
Department for Work and Pensions < Where UK welfare payments and other such things are handled.


EDIT: The two together is first off an absolute monstrosity. Secondly Welfare payments are the same across the board where as when it comes to social services local areas have differing needs from each other so one big central body administrating it would be a disaster. Therefore you have it devolved to a local level.

That may hold true for the UK, but not for a tiny Caribbean nation that probably won't hit 10 million in population. A single ministry is capable of handling both tasks, considering welfare is a social service, and how many similarly-size jurisdictions merge the two together (Toronto, New York [the state], Ontario).

Why do they merge the two together? It's not because social services are part of central government but that welfare benefits are in part set on a local level. That has little to do with the size of the population but the set up of who is responsible for things. If things pan out like I expect them (as the did in Arentina) we will end up I expect with a UK style situation where welfare levels are set by a national government whilst local governments implement other services. In that situation it makes sense to put everything that has a local responsibility under a Local government minister.