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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:43 pm

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Substance Enforcement Guidelines Act (SEGA)
| Authors: Belmaria (FCP) | Great Nepal (LDP)
| Sponsors: Sebastianbourg (NPF) | The Neo-Confederate States of America (LDP) |


§1 On Alcohols and Alcoholic Substances
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of alcohol or alcoholic substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of alcohols or alcoholic substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of alcohol or alcoholic substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of the nation.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of alcohol by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.

§2 On Marijuana and Marijuana-Containing Substances
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of Calaverde.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.

§3 On Hypnotics, Psychedelics, Hallucinogens, and Sedatives (HPHS)
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of the nation.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.
iv. Preventing the sale, consumption, or otherwise distribution of any HPHS or HPHS-containing substance to individuals without a physician-issued prescription for the drug or substance, if required by any legislation passed by the legislative body of Calaverde.

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Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:43 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Substance Enforcement Guidelines Act (SEGA)
| Authors: Belmaria (FCP) | Great Nepal (LDP)
| Sponsors: Sebastianbourg (NPF) | The Neo-Confederate States of America (LDP) |


§1 On Alcohols and Alcoholic Substances
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of alcohol or alcoholic substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of alcohols or alcoholic substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of alcohol or alcoholic substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of the nation.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of alcohol by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.

§2 On Marijuana and Marijuana-Containing Substances
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of Calaverde.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.

§3 On Hypnotics, Psychedelics, Hallucinogens, and Sedatives (HPHS)
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of the nation.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.
iv. Preventing the sale, consumption, or otherwise distribution of any HPHS or HPHS-containing substance to individuals without a physician-issued prescription for the drug or substance, if required by any legislation passed by the legislative body of Calaverde.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:45 pm

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Estva wrote:I am interested, TLT, in what nation has outlawed conscription? Few have. That is because few nations are capable of winning a war without it.

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You have got that backwards, 105 nations have no enforced conscription while nineteen further have no (or very limited) armed forces at all. Nations such as Russia, China and Iran are prominent in their conscription and I would argue these aren't nations we wish to emulate.

Norway has conscription.

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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:47 pm

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Substance Enforcement Guidelines Act (SEGA)
| Authors: Belmaria (FCP) | Great Nepal (LDP)
| Sponsors: Sebastianbourg (NPF) | The Neo-Confederate States of America (LDP) |


§1 On Alcohols and Alcoholic Substances
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of alcohol or alcoholic substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of alcohols or alcoholic substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of alcohol or alcoholic substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of the nation.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of alcohol by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.

§2 On Marijuana and Marijuana-Containing Substances
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of Calaverde.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.

§3 On Hypnotics, Psychedelics, Hallucinogens, and Sedatives (HPHS)
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of the nation.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.
iv. Preventing the sale, consumption, or otherwise distribution of any HPHS or HPHS-containing substance to individuals without a physician-issued prescription for the drug or substance, if required by any legislation passed by the legislative body of Calaverde.

Guis, guis, guis, I need sponsors pls.

Opposed due to section 3 clause iv.

That does not mandate that people must have prescriptions for HPHS, it just allows the senate to pass a prescription mandate at a later time. And either way, do you really think people should just be able to go out and get date rape drugs?
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Postby The New World Oceania » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:48 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Opposed due to subclauses 2.

Opposed due to marijuana legalization? What?


I'd be more concerned with the allowance of alcohol. We have seen alcohol destroy entire nations. It reads explicitly in the Q'uran that intoxications are abominations of Satan's handiwork; will we dare invoke the wrath of God on Calaverde?
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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:49 pm

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Belmaria wrote:Opposed due to marijuana legalization? What?


I'd be more concerned with the allowance of alcohol. We have seen alcohol destroy entire nations. It reads explicitly in the Q'uran that intoxications are abominations of Satan's handiwork; will we dare invoke the wrath of God on Calaverde?

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:50 pm

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Belmaria wrote:Opposed due to marijuana legalization? What?


I'd be more concerned with the allowance of alcohol. We have seen alcohol destroy entire nations. It reads explicitly in the Q'uran that intoxications are abominations of Satan's handiwork; will we dare invoke the wrath of God on Calaverde?


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The Reasonable Firearms Regulation Act

Author: Sen. Gloria Salinas deGroot
Sponsors: Sen. Rijkerd van der Westhuizen, Sen. Robert Allen, Sen. Nick Jonathan Highbury, Sen. Anton Vrijstaat



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  • rooty-tooty-point-and-shooties - guns, things that eject projectile

    Purposes
    The purposes of this Act are as follows,
    • To reduce crime.
§ 1 - Renaming and the Law

1. All firearms shall henceforth be referred to as 'rooty-tooty-point-and-shooties'
1a. Use of other terms will result in a fine or possible jail time
1b. You may not buy a rooty-tooty-point-and-shooty if you are wearing a hat.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:26 pm

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The Reasonable Firearms Regulation Act

Author: Sen. Gloria Salinas deGroot
Sponsors:



Definitions
  • rooty-tooty-point-and-shooties - guns, things that eject projectile

    Purposes
    The purposes of this Act are as follows,
    • To reduce crime.
§ 1 - Renaming and the Law

1. All firearms shall henceforth be referred to as 'rooty-tooty-point-and-shooties'
1a. Use of other terms will result in a fine or possible jail time
1b. You may not buy a rooty-tooty-point-and-shooty if you are wearing a hat.


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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:32 pm

New Zepuha wrote:

The Reasonable Firearms Regulation Act

Author: Sen. Gloria Salinas deGroot
Sponsors: Sen. Rijkerd van der Westhuizen



Definitions
  • rooty-tooty-point-and-shooties - guns, things that eject projectile

    Purposes
    The purposes of this Act are as follows,
    • To reduce crime.
§ 1 - Renaming and the Law

1. All firearms shall henceforth be referred to as 'rooty-tooty-point-and-shooties'
1a. Use of other terms will result in a fine or possible jail time
1b. You may not buy a rooty-tooty-point-and-shooty if you are wearing a hat.

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Postby Skeckoa » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:37 pm

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Substance Enforcement Guidelines Act (SEGA)
| Authors: Belmaria (FCP) | Great Nepal (LDP) |
| Sponsors: Sebastianbourg (NPF) | The Neo-Confederate States of America (LDP) | The Liberated Territories (FCP) | New Zepuha (FCP) |


§1 On Alcohols and Alcoholic Substances
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of alcohol or alcoholic substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of alcohols or alcoholic substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of alcohol or alcoholic substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of the nation.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of alcohol by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.

§2 On Marijuana and Marijuana-Containing Substances
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of Calaverde.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of marijuana or marijuana-containing substances by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.

§3 On Hypnotics, Psychedelics, Hallucinogens, and Sedatives (HPHS)
The national government of Calaverde shall not prohibit sale of or consumption of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances by any individual, group, organization or business unless for the explicit purposes of:
i. Preventing sale of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances to individuals under the age of majority, which, unless otherwise defined, shall be 18.
ii. Preventing sale of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances which are deemed unsafe for human consumption by the legislative body of the nation.
iii. Preventing the forced consumption of HPHS or HPHS-containing substances by parties deemed malicious by a court of law.
iv. Preventing the sale, consumption, or otherwise distribution of any HPHS or HPHS-containing substance to individuals without a physician-issued prescription for the drug or substance, if required by any legislation passed by the legislative body of Calaverde.

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Postby Arkolon » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:58 pm

As much as the rooty-tooty-point-and-shootie made me laugh, is anyone currently writing a sane gun regulation bill? At least give us concealed carry, for God's sake.
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The only sane gun bill is one that bans all guns apart from double barrel 12 bores or less and bolt action hunting rifles no greater than .338 (Barrels must be longer than 12 inchs with an overall firearm length of 24 inches) and target pistols and rifles in .22. As well as bans carrying any gun in public.
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Postby Estva » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:03 am

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Skeckoa wrote: AKA, 18-20 males who would rather be somewhere else and were given a gun to shoot (or just do boring regiment training). I can't tell if you are for or against, but a volunteer army is more than sufficient.

I think I misunderstood you before, and I don't think I understand what you're saying now.

Can you clarify?

Look, of the conscription section is really that controversial, I'll remove it, and when we need to, we can ram a bill through the Senate legalizing it if we have too.
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Postby Estva » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:06 am

Estva wrote:
Armed Forces Establishment Act

Author: Senator Léon Suero - Liberal Democratic Party (Estva)
Sponsors: Senator Gloria Salinas deGroot - The Free Citizens Party (New Zepuha)


Definitions -
1. Armed Forces: An institution or group of institutions designed to use military force.

§ 1 Establishment -
1. The Calaverdean Defense Forces (CDF) shall be the armed forces of Calaverde established with the goal of protecting the nation against external threats, partaking in humanitarian missions, intervening in revolts or revolutions, and counter-terroism operations.
2. The CDF shall consist of the Calaverdean Army, the Calaverdean Navy, and the Calverdean Air-force.

§ 2 Structure -
1. The head commander of the CDF shall be the President of Calaverde. The President shall have full power to override decisions made by subordinates within the extent of his or her legal abilities.
2. The Minister of Defense shall be the next in command, possessing the capability to override the decisions by all subordinates within the extent of his or her legal abilities.
3. Below the Minister of Defense shall be the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which shall consist of the Chief of Staff of each armed branch.
4. The exact military structure shall be determined by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
5. Each Chief of Staff shall be appointed by the Minister of Defense and is subject to approval by the Senate.
6. All officers of the CDF are commissioned by the Senate. The Joint Chiefs of Staff are responsible for creating a list of recommended candidates for commission and/or promotion at least once a year for the Senate to approve.

§ 3 Service -
1. To serve in the CDF, one must meet physical qualifications to be determined by the Minister of Defense.
2. Special positions may require technical qualifications.
2. To serve in the CDF one must be at least 18 years of age.
4. Men and women may serve to the same capacity so long as the physical and technical qualifications for both sexes are uniform.

§ 4 Abilities -
1. The CDF shall have the ability to engage in lethal force on foreign citizens without warrant to fulfill any mission given to it.
2. The CDF shall not engage lethal force on Calverdean citizens, permanent residents, or temporary residents unless -
a. They are in the process of committing a crime such as high treason.
b. They are deliberately obstructing CDF forces with full intent after the CDF has exhausted every opportunity to make them stop.
c. They are aiding an invading force or revolt.
3. The President has the ability to use the CDF to react to threats without permission of the Senate. However, any use must be approved by the Senate within 1 month and unjust commands are grounds for a vote of no confidence.
4. The CDF shall not be used for policing of common crimes, and shall be used only for the previous reasons.
5. The President may declare a period of martial law that may last no longer than 2 weeks. During martial law, the CDF gains all the powers of the Calaverdean police.


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Postby Lykens » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:14 am

Estva wrote:
Lykens wrote:I think I misunderstood you before, and I don't think I understand what you're saying now.

Can you clarify?

Look, of the conscription section is really that controversial, I'll remove it, and when we need to, we can ram a bill through the Senate legalizing it if we have too.

I offered a compromise, but he was against it. I was just wondering his reasons, and didn't get the clearest of answers.
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The requirement for conscription should be when the nation is under threat of imminent invasion. That is ok, conscription at any other time just waters down the quality of the Armed forces.
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Postby Belmaria » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:38 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:The only sane gun bill is one that bans all guns apart from double barrel 12 bores or less and bolt action hunting rifles no greater than .338 (Barrels must be longer than 12 inchs with an overall firearm length of 24 inches) and target pistols and rifles in .22. As well as bans carrying any gun in public.

If you want the violent crime rate of the UK, sure, go right ahead. That's very sane policy.
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Postby Arkolon » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:35 am

Estva wrote:
Estva wrote:
Armed Forces Establishment Act

Author: Senator Léon Suero - Liberal Democratic Party (Estva)
Sponsors: Senator Gloria Salinas deGroot - The Free Citizens Party (New Zepuha)


Definitions -
1. Armed Forces: An institution or group of institutions designed to use military force.

§ 1 Establishment -
1. The Calaverdean Defense Forces (CDF) shall be the armed forces of Calaverde established with the goal of protecting the nation against external threats, partaking in humanitarian missions, intervening in revolts or revolutions, and counter-terroism operations.
2. The CDF shall consist of the Calaverdean Army, the Calaverdean Navy, and the Calverdean Air-force.

§ 2 Structure -
1. The head commander of the CDF shall be the President of Calaverde. The President shall have full power to override decisions made by subordinates within the extent of his or her legal abilities.
2. The Minister of Defense shall be the next in command, possessing the capability to override the decisions by all subordinates within the extent of his or her legal abilities.
3. Below the Minister of Defense shall be the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which shall consist of the Chief of Staff of each armed branch.
4. The exact military structure shall be determined by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
5. Each Chief of Staff shall be appointed by the Minister of Defense and is subject to approval by the Senate.
6. All officers of the CDF are commissioned by the Senate. The Joint Chiefs of Staff are responsible for creating a list of recommended candidates for commission and/or promotion at least once a year for the Senate to approve.

§ 3 Service -
1. To serve in the CDF, one must meet physical qualifications to be determined by the Minister of Defense.
2. Special positions may require technical qualifications.
2. To serve in the CDF one must be at least 18 years of age.
4. Men and women may serve to the same capacity so long as the physical and technical qualifications for both sexes are uniform.

§ 4 Abilities -
1. The CDF shall have the ability to engage in lethal force on foreign citizens without warrant to fulfill any mission given to it.
2. The CDF shall not engage lethal force on Calverdean citizens, permanent residents, or temporary residents unless -
a. They are in the process of committing a crime such as high treason.
b. They are deliberately obstructing CDF forces with full intent after the CDF has exhausted every opportunity to make them stop.
c. They are aiding an invading force or revolt.
3. The President has the ability to use the CDF to react to threats without permission of the Senate. However, any use must be approved by the Senate within 1 month and unjust commands are grounds for a vote of no confidence.
4. The CDF shall not be used for policing of common crimes, and shall be used only for the previous reasons.
5. The President may declare a period of martial law that may last no longer than 2 weeks. During martial law, the CDF gains all the powers of the Calaverdean police.


Please add critiques in case I made a mistake or forgot something crucial.

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Postby New Zepuha » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:41 am

Arkolon wrote:As much as the rooty-tooty-point-and-shootie made me laugh, is anyone currently writing a sane gun regulation bill? At least give us concealed carry, for God's sake.

Would you perhaps like to co-author one with me?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:22 am

Belmaria wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:The only sane gun bill is one that bans all guns apart from double barrel 12 bores or less and bolt action hunting rifles no greater than .338 (Barrels must be longer than 12 inchs with an overall firearm length of 24 inches) and target pistols and rifles in .22. As well as bans carrying any gun in public.

If you want the violent crime rate of the UK, sure, go right ahead. That's very sane policy.


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Use your critical thinking skills. The definition of violent crime in Britain is different to the definition of violent crime in America. Britain counts far more crimes as violent crimes so of course the rate would be higher.

Violent crimes in the US-Murder, non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... lent-crime top paragraph.

Violent crimes in the UK-Murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, sexual assault, sexual activity with children, soliciting prostitutes, sexual threats, sexual touching, indecent exposure, domestic abuse-sexual emotional or financial abuse, threats, physical force, sexual assault and stalking carried out by a current or former partner or other family member-, vehicle theft, purse-snatching and bicycle theft. And a host of other uncommon crimes. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... istics.pdf Pages 19-25 is what you are interested in.
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Postby Arkolon » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:29 am

Bicycle theft is "violent crime"? No wonder the numbers are so off. That really is weird.
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Postby New Zepuha » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:31 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:The only sane gun bill is one that bans all guns apart from double barrel 12 bores or less and bolt action hunting rifles no greater than .338 (Barrels must be longer than 12 inchs with an overall firearm length of 24 inches) and target pistols and rifles in .22. As well as bans carrying any gun in public.

That's all good and well, but when you are surrounded by nations that have an ample black market supply of weaponry and active narco/militant groups; it makes less and less sense to ban carrying in public. If we ban it here all you are doing is moving the market for guns to other countries and into the hands of black market dealers.
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