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Postby Kouralia » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:22 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:F*ck the police.

buy us drinks first
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Postby Argentarino » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:23 am

Intermountain States wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:F*ck the police.

You're going to do what now?

He's offering sexual favors for every officer of the law in the Nation ;)
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Postby The New World Oceania » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:48 am

Kouralia wrote:[spoiler]

Act Formatting Act
| Author: Kouralia |
| Sponsors: Ainin : Argentarino |

An Act to provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow; and for connected purposes.



S1 - Definitions
Primary Legislation is hereby defined as any legislation produced by the legislative branch of government.
Secondary Legislation is hereby defined as any legislation produced by a public body which has had this capability delegated to it by Primary Legislation and which therefore has the authority of the legislative branch of government.
A Public Body is hereby defined as any government department, organisation, branch, service or similar officially-designated body of people.
Act Header is hereby defined as the title block etc., prior to commencement of the act.



S2 - Written Communication
(1)
All Acts must be written fully in English, of a form which is legible and understandable by any reasonable and sober person. Exceptions to this are as follows:
a) Names of any individual or organisation.
b) Relevant loan-words from foreign languages.
c) Further examples may be provided by following legislation.

(2)
Acts should at all times practicable be written in a formal tenor and in the third person. Use of ‘text-speak’, informal slang and colloquialisms, contractions and spelling mistakes are forbidden except under the following circumstances:
a) Regional variation in spelling (e.g. Honour vs Honor)
b) Where the meaning of the colloquialism or slang is incapable of being expressed adequately with more formal lexis.
c) Further examples may be provided by following legislation.

(3)
All Acts shall be written in the default font colour. From commencement of Act to Completion, no text shall be of a font size smaller than standard.

(4)
The names of the main person(s)/organisation(s) concerned by the statute must be provided at all times in upper-case (e.g. ‘MÉDECINS SANS FRONTIÈRES’). Once first mentioned, they may be reduced to an Abbreviation/Initialism (e.g. ‘MSF’) provided after the first mention of its full name this transition is noted (e.g. ‘MÉDECINS SANS FRONTIÈRES (hereafter ‘MSF’)’).



S3 - Formatting
(1)
The Act must be surrounded by correctly formatted/generated ‘Box’ code. Any text which falls within this box is a part of the Act and must abide by all relevant legislation; any text which falls without this box is not a part of the act and thus has no legal bearing.

(2)
The Act Header is mandatory for inclusion in any bill. The Act header must consist of, at minimum:
a) The Short Title of the Act (e.g. ‘Act Formatting Act’)
b) The Author of the Act (e.g. ‘Kouralia’)
c) The Sponsors of the Act
d) The Long Title of the Act (e.g. ‘An Act to provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow, and connected purposes.’)

(3)
The Act Header must be separated from The Body of the Act by Horizontal Reference Code.

(4)
The Body of the Act must consist of sequentially numbered ‘Sections’, all titled in a descriptive manner (e.g. ‘S1 - Definitions’). The Number and Title of the Section shall be marked from the body text through some manner of formatting.

(5)
Each Section may, if it is required, be further sub-divided into ‘Sub-Sections’, all numbered sequentially (e.g. ‘(1)’).

(6)
The ‘Body Text’ of the Act is to consist of all text which is not covered by The Act Header, or (sub-)Section numbering. It should be within Blocktext Code or in some other manner formatted such that it is delineated from (sub-)Section numbering without violating any previous section of this Act.

(7)
Following the complete Body Text, but still within the Box aforementioned in S3(1) of this act is to be a full copy of the Act within ‘Code’ Tags, to allow for ease of copying.



S4 - Long Title
The Long Title of the Act outlines the complete scope of the Act. No section or sub-section of the Act may legislate on matters not covered by it (e.g. this act may not legislate on government salaries as that would not ‘provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow’ and is not a ‘connected purpose’). The Long Title of the Act may not be amended by any further legislation to further expand the scope of an act. Further amendment of the act may not add (sub-)Sections which go beyond the scope of the Long Title.



S5 - Referencing
When Referencing any previously passed legislation, it should be referred to in one of the following ways:
a) If referring to an Act in its entirety then as ‘*Act Name*’, with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act. Thereafter it may be referred to as an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
b) If referring to a Section of an Act, then as ‘S# *Act Name*’ with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act. Thereafter it may be referred to as ‘S#’ and an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
c) If referring to a Sub-section of an Act, then as ‘S#(#) *Act Name*’ with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act. Thereafter it may be referred to as ‘S#(#)’ and an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
d) If referring to the same Act, then as ‘S# of this Act’ or ‘S#(#) of this Act’, or ‘(see S#)’/‘(see S#(#))’



S6 - Sanction
Failure to adhere to these rules is acceptable grounds for an act to be removed from the queue, or from voting, prior to it becoming law, by any so-powered official. Any act which is already law at this time, or which has already entered the queue at the point when this Act becomes law is exempt. Any Act which, after becoming law, is found to be in contravention of this act, may not have its implementation or authority affected by this act.



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[box][hr][/hr][align=center][size=150][b]Act Formatting Act[/b][/size]
| Author: Kouralia |
| Sponsors:  |


An Act to provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow; and for connected purposes.[/align]
[hr][/hr]
[size=120]S1 - Definitions[/size]
(1)
[blocktext][b]Primary Legislation[/b] is hereby defined as any legislation produced by the legislative branch of government.
[b]Secondary Legislation[/b] is hereby defined as any legislation produced by a public body which has had this capability delegated to it by Primary Legislation and which therefore has the authority of the legislative branch of government.
A [b]Public Body[/b] is hereby defined as any government department, organisation, branch, service or similar officially-designated body of people.
[b]Act Header[/b] is hereby defined as the title block etc., prior to commencement of the act.[/blocktext]
[hr][/hr]
[size=120]S2 - Written Communication[/size]
(1)
[blocktext]All Acts must be written fully in English, of a form which is legible and understandable by any reasonable and sober person.  Exceptions to this are as follows:
[b]a)[/b] Names of any individual or organisation.
[b]b)[/b] Relevant loan-words from foreign languages.
[b]c)[/b] Further examples may be provided by following legislation.[/blocktext]
(2)
[blocktext]Acts should at all times practicable be written in a formal tenor and in the third person.  Use of ‘text-speak’, informal slang and colloquialisms, contractions and spelling mistakes are forbidden except under the following circumstances:
[b]a)[/b] Regional variation in spelling (e.g. Honour vs Honor)
[b]b)[/b] Where the meaning of the colloquialism or slang is incapable of being expressed adequately with more formal lexis.
[b]c)[/b] Further examples may be provided by following legislation.[/blocktext]
(3)
[blocktext]All Acts shall be written in the default font colour.  From commencement of Act to Completion, no text shall be of a font size smaller than standard.[/blocktext]
(4)
[blocktext]The names of the main person(s)/organisation(s) concerned by the statute must be provided at all times in upper-case (e.g. ‘MÉDECINS SANS FRONTIÈRES’).  Once first mentioned, they may be reduced to an Abbreviation/Initialism (e.g. ‘MSF’) provided after the first mention of its full name this transition is noted (e.g. ‘MÉDECINS SANS FRONTIÈRES (hereafter ‘MSF’)’).[/blocktext]
[hr][/hr]
[size=120]S3 - Formatting[/size]
(1)
[blocktext]The Act must be surrounded by correctly formatted/generated ‘Box’ code.  Any text which falls within this box is a part of the Act and must abide by all relevant legislation; any text which falls without this box is not a part of the act and thus has no legal bearing.[/blocktext]
(2)
[blocktext]The Act Header is mandatory for inclusion in any bill.  The Act header must consist of, at minimum:
[b]a)[/b] The Short Title of the Act (e.g. ‘Act Formatting Act’)
[b]b)[/b] The Author of the Act (e.g. ‘Kouralia’)
[b]c)[/b] The Sponsors of the Act
[b]d)[/b] The Long Title of the Act (e.g. ‘An Act to provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow, and connected purposes.’)[/blocktext]
(3)
[blocktext]The Act Header must be separated from The Body of the Act by Horizontal Reference Code.[/blocktext]
(4)
[blocktext]The Body of the Act must consist of sequentially numbered ‘Sections’, all titled in a descriptive manner (e.g. ‘S1 - Definitions’).  The Number and Title of the Section shall be marked from the body text through some manner of formatting.[/blocktext]
(5)
[blocktext]Each Section may, if it is required, be further sub-divided into ‘Sub-Sections’, all numbered sequentially (e.g. ‘(1)’).[/blocktext]
(6)
[blocktext]The ‘Body Text’ of the Act is to consist of all text which is not covered by The Act Header, or (sub-)Section numbering.  It should be within Blocktext Code or in some other manner formatted such that it is delineated from (sub-)Section numbering without violating any previous section of this Act.[/blocktext]
(7)
[blocktext]Following the complete Body Text, but still within the Box aforementioned in S3(1) of this act is to be a full copy of the Act within ‘Code’ Tags, to allow for ease of copying.[/blocktext]
[hr][/hr]
[size=120]S4 - Long Title[/size]
[blocktext]The Long Title of the Act outlines the complete scope of the Act.  No section or sub-section of the Act may legislate on matters not covered by it (e.g. this act may not legislate on government salaries as that would not ‘provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow’ and is not a ‘connected purpose’).  The Long Title of the Act may not be amended by any further legislation to further expand the scope of an act.  Further amendment of the act may not add (sub-)Sections which go beyond the scope of the Long Title.[/blocktext]
[hr][/hr]
[size=120]S5 - Referencing[/size]
[blocktext]When Referencing any previously passed legislation, it should be referred to in one of the following ways:
[b]a)[/b] If referring to an Act in its entirety then as ‘*Act Name*’, with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act.  Thereafter it may be referred to as an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
[b]b)[/b] If referring to a Section of an Act, then as ‘S# *Act Name*’ with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act.  Thereafter it may be referred to as ‘S#’ and an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
[b]c)[/b] If referring to a Sub-section of an Act, then as ‘S#(#) *Act Name*’ with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act.  Thereafter it may be referred to as ‘S#(#)’ and an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
[b]d)[/b] If referring to the same Act, then as ‘S# of this Act’ or ‘S#(#) of this Act’, or ‘(see S#)’/‘(see S#(#))’[/blocktext][hr][/hr]
[size=120]S6 - Sanction[/size]
[blocktext]Failure to adhere to these rules is acceptable grounds for an act to be removed from the queue, or from voting, prior to it becoming law, by any so-powered official.  Any act which is already law at this time, or which has already entered the queue at the point when this Act becomes law is exempt.  Any Act which, after becoming law, is found to be in contravention of this act, may not have its implementation or authority affected by this act.[/blocktext]
[hr][/hr][/box]
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Vehemently opposed. The only thing this act needs to say is "legislation should be legible and understandable." Nothing is going to drive people away faster than illegal because of improper formatting. Not only that; this is the ugliest copyediting I've ever seen, and I'm a postmodernist.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:57 am

lets see how this goes this time round.
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:11 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:
Kouralia wrote:

Act Formatting Act
| Author: Kouralia |
| Sponsors: Ainin : Argentarino |

An Act to provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow; and for connected purposes.



S1 - Definitions
Primary Legislation is hereby defined as any legislation produced by the legislative branch of government.
Secondary Legislation is hereby defined as any legislation produced by a public body which has had this capability delegated to it by Primary Legislation and which therefore has the authority of the legislative branch of government.
A Public Body is hereby defined as any government department, organisation, branch, service or similar officially-designated body of people.
Act Header is hereby defined as the title block etc., prior to commencement of the act.



S2 - Written Communication
(1)
All Acts must be written fully in English, of a form which is legible and understandable by any reasonable and sober person. Exceptions to this are as follows:
a) Names of any individual or organisation.
b) Relevant loan-words from foreign languages.
c) Further examples may be provided by following legislation.

(2)
Acts should at all times practicable be written in a formal tenor and in the third person. Use of ‘text-speak’, informal slang and colloquialisms, contractions and spelling mistakes are forbidden except under the following circumstances:
a) Regional variation in spelling (e.g. Honour vs Honor)
b) Where the meaning of the colloquialism or slang is incapable of being expressed adequately with more formal lexis.
c) Further examples may be provided by following legislation.

(3)
All Acts shall be written in the default font colour. From commencement of Act to Completion, no text shall be of a font size smaller than standard.

(4)
The names of the main person(s)/organisation(s) concerned by the statute must be provided at all times in upper-case (e.g. ‘MÉDECINS SANS FRONTIÈRES’). Once first mentioned, they may be reduced to an Abbreviation/Initialism (e.g. ‘MSF’) provided after the first mention of its full name this transition is noted (e.g. ‘MÉDECINS SANS FRONTIÈRES (hereafter ‘MSF’)’).



S3 - Formatting
(1)
The Act must be surrounded by correctly formatted/generated ‘Box’ code. Any text which falls within this box is a part of the Act and must abide by all relevant legislation; any text which falls without this box is not a part of the act and thus has no legal bearing.

(2)
The Act Header is mandatory for inclusion in any bill. The Act header must consist of, at minimum:
a) The Short Title of the Act (e.g. ‘Act Formatting Act’)
b) The Author of the Act (e.g. ‘Kouralia’)
c) The Sponsors of the Act
d) The Long Title of the Act (e.g. ‘An Act to provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow, and connected purposes.’)

(3)
The Act Header must be separated from The Body of the Act by Horizontal Reference Code.

(4)
The Body of the Act must consist of sequentially numbered ‘Sections’, all titled in a descriptive manner (e.g. ‘S1 - Definitions’). The Number and Title of the Section shall be marked from the body text through some manner of formatting.

(5)
Each Section may, if it is required, be further sub-divided into ‘Sub-Sections’, all numbered sequentially (e.g. ‘(1)’).

(6)
The ‘Body Text’ of the Act is to consist of all text which is not covered by The Act Header, or (sub-)Section numbering. It should be within Blocktext Code or in some other manner formatted such that it is delineated from (sub-)Section numbering without violating any previous section of this Act.

(7)
Following the complete Body Text, but still within the Box aforementioned in S3(1) of this act is to be a full copy of the Act within ‘Code’ Tags, to allow for ease of copying.



S4 - Long Title
The Long Title of the Act outlines the complete scope of the Act. No section or sub-section of the Act may legislate on matters not covered by it (e.g. this act may not legislate on government salaries as that would not ‘provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow’ and is not a ‘connected purpose’). The Long Title of the Act may not be amended by any further legislation to further expand the scope of an act. Further amendment of the act may not add (sub-)Sections which go beyond the scope of the Long Title.



S5 - Referencing
When Referencing any previously passed legislation, it should be referred to in one of the following ways:
a) If referring to an Act in its entirety then as ‘*Act Name*’, with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act. Thereafter it may be referred to as an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
b) If referring to a Section of an Act, then as ‘S# *Act Name*’ with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act. Thereafter it may be referred to as ‘S#’ and an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
c) If referring to a Sub-section of an Act, then as ‘S#(#) *Act Name*’ with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act. Thereafter it may be referred to as ‘S#(#)’ and an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
d) If referring to the same Act, then as ‘S# of this Act’ or ‘S#(#) of this Act’, or ‘(see S#)’/‘(see S#(#))’



S6 - Sanction
Failure to adhere to these rules is acceptable grounds for an act to be removed from the queue, or from voting, prior to it becoming law, by any so-powered official. Any act which is already law at this time, or which has already entered the queue at the point when this Act becomes law is exempt. Any Act which, after becoming law, is found to be in contravention of this act, may not have its implementation or authority affected by this act.



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[box][hr][/hr][align=center][size=150][b]Act Formatting Act[/b][/size]
| Author: Kouralia |
| Sponsors:  |


An Act to provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow; and for connected purposes.[/align]
[hr][/hr]
[size=120]S1 - Definitions[/size]
(1)
[blocktext][b]Primary Legislation[/b] is hereby defined as any legislation produced by the legislative branch of government.
[b]Secondary Legislation[/b] is hereby defined as any legislation produced by a public body which has had this capability delegated to it by Primary Legislation and which therefore has the authority of the legislative branch of government.
A [b]Public Body[/b] is hereby defined as any government department, organisation, branch, service or similar officially-designated body of people.
[b]Act Header[/b] is hereby defined as the title block etc., prior to commencement of the act.[/blocktext]
[hr][/hr]
[size=120]S2 - Written Communication[/size]
(1)
[blocktext]All Acts must be written fully in English, of a form which is legible and understandable by any reasonable and sober person.  Exceptions to this are as follows:
[b]a)[/b] Names of any individual or organisation.
[b]b)[/b] Relevant loan-words from foreign languages.
[b]c)[/b] Further examples may be provided by following legislation.[/blocktext]
(2)
[blocktext]Acts should at all times practicable be written in a formal tenor and in the third person.  Use of ‘text-speak’, informal slang and colloquialisms, contractions and spelling mistakes are forbidden except under the following circumstances:
[b]a)[/b] Regional variation in spelling (e.g. Honour vs Honor)
[b]b)[/b] Where the meaning of the colloquialism or slang is incapable of being expressed adequately with more formal lexis.
[b]c)[/b] Further examples may be provided by following legislation.[/blocktext]
(3)
[blocktext]All Acts shall be written in the default font colour.  From commencement of Act to Completion, no text shall be of a font size smaller than standard.[/blocktext]
(4)
[blocktext]The names of the main person(s)/organisation(s) concerned by the statute must be provided at all times in upper-case (e.g. ‘MÉDECINS SANS FRONTIÈRES’).  Once first mentioned, they may be reduced to an Abbreviation/Initialism (e.g. ‘MSF’) provided after the first mention of its full name this transition is noted (e.g. ‘MÉDECINS SANS FRONTIÈRES (hereafter ‘MSF’)’).[/blocktext]
[hr][/hr]
[size=120]S3 - Formatting[/size]
(1)
[blocktext]The Act must be surrounded by correctly formatted/generated ‘Box’ code.  Any text which falls within this box is a part of the Act and must abide by all relevant legislation; any text which falls without this box is not a part of the act and thus has no legal bearing.[/blocktext]
(2)
[blocktext]The Act Header is mandatory for inclusion in any bill.  The Act header must consist of, at minimum:
[b]a)[/b] The Short Title of the Act (e.g. ‘Act Formatting Act’)
[b]b)[/b] The Author of the Act (e.g. ‘Kouralia’)
[b]c)[/b] The Sponsors of the Act
[b]d)[/b] The Long Title of the Act (e.g. ‘An Act to provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow, and connected purposes.’)[/blocktext]
(3)
[blocktext]The Act Header must be separated from The Body of the Act by Horizontal Reference Code.[/blocktext]
(4)
[blocktext]The Body of the Act must consist of sequentially numbered ‘Sections’, all titled in a descriptive manner (e.g. ‘S1 - Definitions’).  The Number and Title of the Section shall be marked from the body text through some manner of formatting.[/blocktext]
(5)
[blocktext]Each Section may, if it is required, be further sub-divided into ‘Sub-Sections’, all numbered sequentially (e.g. ‘(1)’).[/blocktext]
(6)
[blocktext]The ‘Body Text’ of the Act is to consist of all text which is not covered by The Act Header, or (sub-)Section numbering.  It should be within Blocktext Code or in some other manner formatted such that it is delineated from (sub-)Section numbering without violating any previous section of this Act.[/blocktext]
(7)
[blocktext]Following the complete Body Text, but still within the Box aforementioned in S3(1) of this act is to be a full copy of the Act within ‘Code’ Tags, to allow for ease of copying.[/blocktext]
[hr][/hr]
[size=120]S4 - Long Title[/size]
[blocktext]The Long Title of the Act outlines the complete scope of the Act.  No section or sub-section of the Act may legislate on matters not covered by it (e.g. this act may not legislate on government salaries as that would not ‘provide preliminary formatting guidelines for all Primary Legislation to follow’ and is not a ‘connected purpose’).  The Long Title of the Act may not be amended by any further legislation to further expand the scope of an act.  Further amendment of the act may not add (sub-)Sections which go beyond the scope of the Long Title.[/blocktext]
[hr][/hr]
[size=120]S5 - Referencing[/size]
[blocktext]When Referencing any previously passed legislation, it should be referred to in one of the following ways:
[b]a)[/b] If referring to an Act in its entirety then as ‘*Act Name*’, with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act.  Thereafter it may be referred to as an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
[b]b)[/b] If referring to a Section of an Act, then as ‘S# *Act Name*’ with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act.  Thereafter it may be referred to as ‘S#’ and an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
[b]c)[/b] If referring to a Sub-section of an Act, then as ‘S#(#) *Act Name*’ with a link to the complete text of the Act the first time it is mentioned in an Act.  Thereafter it may be referred to as ‘S#(#)’ and an initialism of the Act name, if this is specified in a manner similar to S2(4) of this Act.
[b]d)[/b] If referring to the same Act, then as ‘S# of this Act’ or ‘S#(#) of this Act’, or ‘(see S#)’/‘(see S#(#))’[/blocktext][hr][/hr]
[size=120]S6 - Sanction[/size]
[blocktext]Failure to adhere to these rules is acceptable grounds for an act to be removed from the queue, or from voting, prior to it becoming law, by any so-powered official.  Any act which is already law at this time, or which has already entered the queue at the point when this Act becomes law is exempt.  Any Act which, after becoming law, is found to be in contravention of this act, may not have its implementation or authority affected by this act.[/blocktext]
[hr][/hr][/box]


Vehemently opposed. The only thing this act needs to say is "legislation should be legible and understandable." Nothing is going to drive people away faster than illegal because of improper formatting. Not only that; this is the ugliest copyediting I've ever seen, and I'm a postmodernist.

This so much. The last thing we need is red tape.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:47 pm

Kour, I'll sponsor the police one. Still thinking about the other.
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Postby Britanno » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:50 pm

Completely opposed to Kour's second bill. Haven't read the first one yet.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:58 pm

Yeah, i'm not a fan of that one. As long as a bill has an enacting clause it should be fine.
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Postby Britanno » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:07 pm

Anyone got any good bill formats?
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:12 pm

Britanno wrote:Anyone got any good bill formats?

What's wrong with Kour's?
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Most of it is needless. All a bill needs is to be in English (so we can all read it), list the author and sponsors and have an enacting clause.
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Postby Britanno » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:49 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Britanno wrote:Anyone got any good bill formats?

What's wrong with Kour's?

Not a fan tbh, but I suppose it's just me being fussy.
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Postby Gothmogs » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:27 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:Most of it is needless. All a bill needs is to be in English (so we can all read it), list the author and sponsors and have an enacting clause.

I agree. I like the creative freedom.
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Postby Kouralia » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:35 pm

That one's the less relevant one. Any more focus on the Police bill?
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Postby Gothmogs » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:40 pm

Kouralia wrote:That one's the less relevant one. Any more focus on the Police bill?

The definition of a wound makes bloodless wounds not wounds. Other than that it looks good to me.
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Postby Kouralia » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:43 pm

Gothmogs wrote:
Kouralia wrote:That one's the less relevant one. Any more focus on the Police bill?

The definition of a wound makes bloodless wounds not wounds. Other than that it looks good to me.

Legally in the UK they're not, they're Bodily Harms. R v Eisenhower and other pieces of influential case law have defined wounds thusly. Dunno why there needs to be a separate 'wound', but w/ever, I suppose if it's good enough for the UK it closes some sort of loop-hole somewhere which someone might exploit in the future.

Would you sponsor?
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Kouralia wrote:That one's the less relevant one. Any more focus on the Police bill?

The definition of a wound makes bloodless wounds not wounds. Other than that it looks good to me.


The definition of wounds includes both open and closed wounds.
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Postby Gothmogs » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:46 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:The definition of a wound makes bloodless wounds not wounds. Other than that it looks good to me.

Legally in the UK they're not, they're Bodily Harms. R v Eisenhower and other pieces of influential case law have defined wounds thusly. Dunno why there needs to be a separate 'wound', but w/ever, I suppose if it's good enough for the UK it closes some sort of loop-hole somewhere which someone might exploit in the future.

Would you sponsor?

I guess that's just general ignorance on my part. I'll sponsor.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:02 pm

I would add collar number to this section. The bit in red.

(4)
Any O has the power to stop a D about their business in a public location and search them if they have reasonable grounds to believe that they’re carrying:
a) prohibited items
b) stolen items
d) something which may be used in the commission of a crime
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a) a serious violence, breach of the peace, or public disorder could take place
b) you are carrying an offensive weapon, or have recently used one or
c) you are in a specifically designated area (e.g. a protected zone of government property).
Before you are searched, the O must inform the D:
a) their name, police station and collar number.
b) what they expect to find (e.g. stolen property)
c) the reason they want to search them (e.g. a burglary has been reported in the area, with a description matching one's own)
d) why they are allowed to search them/what power they are using.
e) that they may receive a record of being searched and any findings from the relevant police station as soon as practicable.
Any O may request that a D removes hat, gloves or jacket, and this must be followed. Any other clothing or religious-observance clothing which is asked to be removed must be done in a private location and by an O of the same sex as D. Being searched does not constitute use of the Power of Arrest of S5(1) of this Act, though finding evidence of wrongdoing during the search may precipitate use of that power after or during the search. An individual on private property such as a dwelling who is there unlawfully or without the owner's permission may be searched there. This is the POWER TO STOP AND SEARCH.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:12 pm

The only other minor point is i'm not a fan of brown trousers and boots. I would have either blue trousers and black boots to match the other parts of the uniform or have an all white uniform as we are in the tropics rather like the Royal Navy's White No. 1 dress.


EDIT: Just remembered this.

S7 - Community Involvement
At the level of Police Area, there shall be an elected official whose responsibility is to assign the size of the budget for the service in question, communicate the priorities, concerns and requirements of the local population to the Prefect, hold the Prefect to account for failings and appoint new Prefects. The Prefect maintains overall operational control of the Police Service and of [OOC Note: these officials are a separate character to, but are controlled by the relevant senators’ players]


Really not a fan of elected officials with direct involvement in the police and introducing politics at any level into the police. Sounds to me like the disaster that is the UK police and crime commissioners. The government department should set the budget and the chief police officer for the area should be responsible for the priorities, where the money is spent and how the priorities are achieved.
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Postby Kouralia » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:07 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:The only other minor point is i'm not a fan of brown trousers and boots. I would have either blue trousers and black boots to match the other parts of the uniform or have an all white uniform as we are in the tropics rather like the Royal Navy's White No. 1 dress.

I'll change those to blue and black, as I think that could be what they are IRL. The uniform is based on that of Messina's Municipal Police, IIRC.


EDIT: Just remembered this.

S7 - Community Involvement
At the level of Police Area, there shall be an elected official whose responsibility is to assign the size of the budget for the service in question, communicate the priorities, concerns and requirements of the local population to the Prefect, hold the Prefect to account for failings and appoint new Prefects. The Prefect maintains overall operational control of the Police Service and of [OOC Note: these officials are a separate character to, but are controlled by the relevant senators’ players]


Really not a fan of elected officials with direct involvement in the police and introducing politics at any level into the police. Sounds to me like the disaster that is the UK police and crime commissioners. The government department should set the budget and the chief police officer for the area should be responsible for the priorities, where the money is spent and how the priorities are achieved.

Eh. The not!PCC only has control of local coulcil or w/ever budget allocation (there's always the national budget too). The Prefect is responsible for spending it, allocating it within the framework of 'here is the money for the Police' and achieving the priorities. The not!PCC is responsible for giving the community's priorities to the Police, since the Police aren't likely to know what the public think is important compared to the public themselves.

It's meant to be the same as the Police Authorities which the PCCs replaced, but coalesced into one person for OOC ease.
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Postby Britanno » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:47 pm

Everyone ok with this as a composition for the cabinet?

President
Vice President
Prime Minister
Deputy Prime Minister
Finance Minister
Foreign Minister
Domestic Minister
Health Minister
Education Minister
Defence Minister
Justice Minister
Welfare Minister
Business Minister
Culture Minister
Transport Minister
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Postby Unicario » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:25 pm

Britanno wrote:Everyone ok with this as a composition for the cabinet?

President
Vice President
Prime Minister
Deputy Prime Minister
Finance Minister
Foreign Minister
Domestic Minister
Health Minister
Education Minister
Defence Minister
Justice Minister
Welfare Minister
Business Minister
Culture Minister
Transport Minister
Energy & Environment Minister


I'm good with this.
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Postby Kouralia » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:42 pm

I believe I need one additional sponsor for the Police Act.
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Postby Malgrave » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:14 pm

I'll sponsor both of those bills Kour.
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