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Postby Ravenflight » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:26 pm

Greetings gentlemen, Whoever is taking change I would love a message I can put on operation media.
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:28 pm

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Kincoboh wrote:We can create a technologist council as well.


The councils are only supposed to be for different socialist ideologies. Major ones. Democratic Socialism, Market Socialism, Libertarian Socialism.

Isn't the whole party supposed to be Libertarian Socialist? Anyway, Eco-socialism isn't so specific so as to be obscure. More specialized councils could work, depending on the number of members we get.

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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:29 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:The player behind the username Greater Weselton is banned from participating in the NSG Senate RP, and therefore is banned from posting in this thread.

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It actually needs to go in the OP to have effect, I think. Thanks.

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Probably because his flag is the Nazi emblems, which is banned and also probably because he is a fascist ^$°¥

He was banned when he had a different account, so it's not because of the current flaq. The reasons were complex and broad, but it mostly came down to spam and an unwillingness to listen.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:29 pm

Libantica wrote:
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I like this! I think it accurately represents the decentralized nature of libertarian socialism.


...well, it's winning the poll currently.
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Postby Kincoboh » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:31 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Kincoboh wrote:We can create a technologist council as well.


The councils are only supposed to be for different socialist ideologies. Major ones. Democratic Socialism, Market Socialism, Libertarian Socialism.

Forgive me, I am very new to all of this. 8)
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Postby Heraklea- » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:34 pm

Merizoc wrote:Isn't the whole party supposed to be Libertarian Socialist? Anyway, Eco-socialism isn't so specific so as to be obscure. More specialized councils could work, depending on the number of members we get.

The party is intended to be an alliance of different branches of socialism. I am a State Socialist and intend to advocate for those principles but am in alliance with the Libertarian Socialists because of our general agreement on social issues and intermediate steps on the path to socialist economics.

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Postby Dejanic » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:40 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Kincoboh wrote:We can create a technologist council as well.


The councils are only supposed to be for different socialist ideologies. Major ones. Democratic Socialism, Market Socialism, Libertarian Socialism.

Would probably be wise for you to have a Communist council also, since whilst Communists may support one of the above as a transition, they obviously support Communism as an end goal.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:43 pm

Heraklea- wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Isn't the whole party supposed to be Libertarian Socialist? Anyway, Eco-socialism isn't so specific so as to be obscure. More specialized councils could work, depending on the number of members we get.

The party is intended to be an alliance of different branches of socialism. I am a State Socialist and intend to advocate for those principles but am in alliance with the Libertarian Socialists because of our general agreement on social issues and intermediate steps on the path to socialist economics.


It's an anti-vangaurdist, pan-socialist alliance. It's similar to Greece's Syriza but without all the Maoists.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:44 pm

Dejanic wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
The councils are only supposed to be for different socialist ideologies. Major ones. Democratic Socialism, Market Socialism, Libertarian Socialism.

Would probably be wise for you to have a Communist council also, since whilst Communists may support one of the above as a transition, they obviously support Communism as an end goal.


That would probably be the Marxist council. Ancoms fit in with Libertarians.
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Postby Dejanic » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:44 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Would probably be wise for you to have a Communist council also, since whilst Communists may support one of the above as a transition, they obviously support Communism as an end goal.


That would probably be the Marxist council. Ancoms fit in with Libertarians.

True, since Ancoms are Libertarian Socialists, Marxist council would be more fitting.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:46 pm

Merizoc wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
The councils are only supposed to be for different socialist ideologies. Major ones. Democratic Socialism, Market Socialism, Libertarian Socialism.

Isn't the whole party supposed to be Libertarian Socialist? Anyway, Eco-socialism isn't so specific so as to be obscure. More specialized councils could work, depending on the number of members we get.


The councils are made to represent the major ideologies, then elect a member to the Central Committee, which is the Alliance's executive position. The Councils are essentially their own party within a party, similar to how the Kalengian Left was planned to be in the last NSGS. If they want to pass something through the whole alliance and get their support (via whips), then they send their legislation to the Central Committee to be voted on.
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Postby Heraklea- » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:46 pm

I realize I'm the only one advocating it so far, but will State Socialism have a seat in the central committee or will it be folded into one of the others?
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:47 pm

Dejanic wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
That would probably be the Marxist council. Ancoms fit in with Libertarians.

True, since Ancoms are Libertarian Socialists, Marxist council would be more fitting.


I think a Democratic Socialist, Market Socialist, Marxist and Libertarian Socialist council would be enough to cover most of the party.
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Postby Libantica » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:47 pm

The logo isn't transparent and it's driving me crazy, so here you go! :P

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:48 pm

Heraklea- wrote:I realize I'm the only one advocating it so far, but will State Socialism have a seat in the central committee or will it be folded into one of the others?


You're not the only one. And by state socialism, what do you mean? That's somewhat vague.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:48 pm

Libantica wrote:The logo isn't transparent and it's driving me crazy, so here you go! :P



Yes! That looks so much better.
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Postby Libantica » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:49 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Libantica wrote:The logo isn't transparent and it's driving me crazy, so here you go! :P



Yes! That looks so much better.

:)

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Dejanic wrote:True, since Ancoms are Libertarian Socialists, Marxist council would be more fitting.


I think a Democratic Socialist, Market Socialist, Marxist and Libertarian Socialist council would be enough to cover most of the party.

Hmm, as a Libertarian Market Socialist, which council would I join?
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:50 pm

Libantica wrote:The logo isn't transparent and it's driving me crazy, so here you go! :P


Just a little nitpicky thing. The outer rhombus on the top has a little point sticking out the bottom. Might want to fix it.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:51 pm

Libantica wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Yes! That looks so much better.

:)

The New Sea Territory wrote:
I think a Democratic Socialist, Market Socialist, Marxist and Libertarian Socialist council would be enough to cover most of the party.

Hmm, as a Libertarian Market Socialist, which council would I join?


The Libsoc Council is going to be predominantly anarchists.
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Postby Heraklea- » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:52 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:You're not the only one. And by state socialism, what do you mean? That's somewhat vague.

State ownership and management of the means of production including centralized planning for the economy. It doesn't fit into Libertarian Socialism or Market Socialism. It could fall under Democratic Socialism but Democratic Socialism itself is a rather vague term in and of itself.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:53 pm

Heraklea- wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:You're not the only one. And by state socialism, what do you mean? That's somewhat vague.

State ownership and management of the means of production including centralized planning for the economy. It doesn't fit into Libertarian Socialism or Market Socialism. It could fall under Democratic Socialism but Democratic Socialism itself is a rather vague term in and of itself.


Those council predictions were just suggestions.
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Postby Libantica » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:53 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Libantica wrote:The logo isn't transparent and it's driving me crazy, so here you go! :P


Just a little nitpicky thing. The outer rhombus on the top has a little point sticking out the bottom. Might want to fix it.

How about now?

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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:55 pm

Libantica wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Just a little nitpicky thing. The outer rhombus on the top has a little point sticking out the bottom. Might want to fix it.

How about now?

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Perfect. :clap:

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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:55 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Heraklea- wrote:State ownership and management of the means of production including centralized planning for the economy. It doesn't fit into Libertarian Socialism or Market Socialism. It could fall under Democratic Socialism but Democratic Socialism itself is a rather vague term in and of itself.


Those council predictions were just suggestions.

When and how will we be deciding what the councils are?

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:01 pm

Merizoc wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Those council predictions were just suggestions.

When and how will we be deciding what the councils are?


Again, think of the councils are parties within parties. We can start them up once the Alliance is finished being set up.
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