[NSGS] Placeholderstani Workers' Alliance (Planning)

[The New Sea Territory]

Alright, so, how about:

-The Worker's Party recognizes the intrinsic value of all living beings, and is dedicated to preserving the pristine wilderness from human exploitation. For areas on the land that are especially valuable, however, the Worker's Party is for conserving and sustainably managing resources so that it benefits all of Placeholderstanis.

I thin I'd prefer something more along the lines of:

The Worker's Alliance recognizes the intrinsic value of all living being and is dedicated to preserving the natural world. When there is need for the use of natural resources, the Worker's Alliance is committed to conservation and sustainable management such that it benefits all Placeholderstanis.

That sounds good. Still vague, but more direct.

[Kincoboh]

I thin I'd prefer something more along the lines of:

The Worker's Alliance recognizes the intrinsic value of all living being and is dedicated to preserving the natural world. When there is need for the use of natural resources, the Worker's Alliance is committed to conservation and sustainable management such that it benefits all Placeholderstanis.

That sounds good. Still vague, but more direct.

Yeah, I was a bit shaky on the wording there. I like it.

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

Will of joinings.

I hate to be "that guy", but I think most people here agreed this isn't open to Vanguardist Communists. If you roleplay as an orthodox Marxist (or even a Trotskyist or Titoist), I think we'd be cool.

I'm pretty sure Boji's actually a traditional Marxist. Though the thing's over a year old so I could be wrong.

[Kincoboh]

I am very happy to see how this party is turning out.
Good job so far, guys!

[South Jarvis]

Hello, there! Your friendly neighbourhood left-leaning independent here, with a message that ‘Workers Alliance’ or ‘Workers' Alliance’ (‘Alliance of Workers’) might be more grammatically correct than the current ‘Worker's Alliance’ (‘Alliance of Worker’. Just one.)

EDIT: Similar occurrences of ‘worker's’ also appear in the party platform.

[Kincoboh]

Hello, there! Your friendly neighbourhood left-leaning independent here, with a message that ‘Workers Alliance’ or ‘Workers' Alliance’ (‘Alliance of Workers’) might be more grammatically correct than the current ‘Worker's Alliance’ (‘Alliance of Worker’. Just one.)

How did no one notice that before?

[MERIZoC]

Alright, but isn't eco-socialism/anarcho-primitivism a major part of left ideology?

Eco-socialism certainly but anarcho-primitivism not so much.

Yeah, an-prims are almost always on the left, but we're too obscure to be considered a major part of it.

[MERIZoC]

Okay, so things that need to be added to the list:

Environmentalism
LGBT rights
Feminism/Egalitarianism
Education (primary through to post-secondary)
Secularism/Seperation of Church and State

Anything else?

As well as secularism we should also emphasize freedom of religion. What's our position on free speech, specifically pertaining to hate speech/incitements to violence?

[Heraklea-]

We haven't really discussed it, but my own position is that it is not the government's place to regulate comments of belief, regardless of how despicable. Incitements to violence or threats however represent a clear and present danger to the public and should be criminalized. In other words, hate speech should be protected and incitements not.

[The New Sea Territory]

Okay, so things that need to be added to the list:

Environmentalism
LGBT rights
Feminism/Egalitarianism
Education (primary through to post-secondary)
Secularism/Seperation of Church and State

Anything else?

As well as secularism we should also emphasize freedom of religion. What's our position on free speech, specifically pertaining to hate speech/incitements to violence?

Freedom, man.

[The New Sea Territory]

So, it's 5-2 in favor of council-written platforms. I'll wait a few more hours for everyone to vote.

[Osea 767]

Well, I've cast my vote. Just a few more and we'll be have a decision. What's next after that?

[The New Sea Territory]

Well, I've cast my vote. Just a few more and we'll be have a decision. What's next after that?

Writing the basic alliance tenets. Just vague statements that tie us together. Glasgia's seem pretty good, but we want to add something about environmentalism. I think we should take out the part about nationalization, and just say something vague about workers controlling their labor.

[Heraklea-]

More preferably would be removing profit motives to ensure adequate protection for workers.

[The New Sea Territory]

Here's my proposal, including what we've been talking about before. It's Glasgia's first points, edited and added to.

1) We do not support violent revolution. However, we strongly believe a social and economic revolution is necessary to create an egalitarian nation.
2) We strive to remove profit motives in the economy and allow for worker cooperation rather than vicious competition, to allow democratic management of the economy by the workers.
3) We support a social “safety net” and strict regulation of business in order to protect the worker and those who cannot work from harm in a Capitalist economy and during the transition away from Capitalism
4) We support social ownership of public necessities and providing them to all, free of cost, or at as little cost as possible
5) We support global co-operation and free trade, in order to ensure advantages from the global market for workers internationally
6) We recognize the intrinsic value of all living being and are dedicated to preserving the natural world. When there is need for the use of natural resources, we are committed to conservation and sustainable management such that it benefits all Placeholderstanis.
7) We uphold Separation of Church and State, both Freedom of and Freedom From Religion. The Government is not a place for religious dogma, and religious liberty should be protected equally for all belief or lack of belief.
8 ) We fight for equality for all people, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. We support LGBT+ Rights, Feminism and all forms of gender egalitarianism.
9) We do not support unnecessary interference in the personal lives of the people and oppose arbitrary enforcement of “morality” in favor of social freedoms.

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

Here's my proposal, including what we've been talking about before. It's Glasgia's first points, edited and added to.

1) We do not support violent revolution. However, we strongly believe a social and economic revolution is necessary to create an egalitarian nation.
2) We strive to remove profit motives in the economy and allow for worker cooperation rather than vicious competition.
3) We support a social “safety net” and strict regulation of business in order to protect the worker and those who cannot work from harm in a Capitalist economy and during the transition away from Capitalism
4) We support social ownership of public necessities and providing them to all, free of cost, or at as little cost as possible
5) We support global co-operation and free trade, in order to ensure advantages from the global market for workers internationally
6) We recognize the intrinsic value of all living being and are dedicated to preserving the natural world. When there is need for the use of natural resources, we are committed to conservation and sustainable management such that it benefits all Placeholderstanis.
7) We uphold Separation of Church and State, both Freedom of and Freedom From Religion. The Government is not a place for religious dogma, and religious liberty should be protected equally for all belief or lack of belief.
8 ) We fight for equality for all people, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. We support LGBT+ Rights, Feminism and all forms of gender egalitarianism.
9) We do not support unnecessary interference in the personal lives of the people and oppose arbitrary enforcement of “morality” in favor of social freedoms.

I'd probably talk about fair trade instead of free trade, as well as something about the need to democratize the economy (it would obviously be quite vague.)

[The New Sea Territory]

I'd probably talk about fair trade instead of free trade, as well as something about the need to democratize the economy (it would obviously be quite vague.)

I added in some more on tenet two.

[Kanatistan]

Sent an application in to join the senate.

[The New Sea Territory]

Sent an application in to join the senate.

Good. I think all our members have applied.

[Kincoboh]

5) We support global co-operation and free trade, in order to ensure advantages from the global market for workers internationally

Hmm, maybe we should clarify what we mean by free trade. Free trade in a fair market would be a better way of putting it I think.

[The New Sea Territory]

5) We support global co-operation and free trade, in order to ensure advantages from the global market for workers internationally

Hmm, maybe we should clarify what we mean by free trade. Free trade in a fair market would be a better way of putting it I think.

That was in the original five tenets suggested by Glasgia. I like how you put it.

[Glasgia]

Here's my proposal, including what we've been talking about before. It's Glasgia's first points, edited and added to.

1) We do not support violent revolution. However, we strongly believe a social and economic revolution is necessary to create an egalitarian nation.
2) We strive to remove profit motives in the economy and allow for worker cooperation rather than vicious competition, to allow democratic management of the economy by the workers.
3) We support a social “safety net” and strict regulation of business in order to protect the worker and those who cannot work from harm in a Capitalist economy and during the transition away from Capitalism
4) We support social ownership of public necessities and providing them to all, free of cost, or at as little cost as possible
5) We support global co-operation and free trade, in order to ensure advantages from the global market for workers internationally
6) We recognize the intrinsic value of all living being and are dedicated to preserving the natural world. When there is need for the use of natural resources, we are committed to conservation and sustainable management such that it benefits all Placeholderstanis.
7) We uphold Separation of Church and State, both Freedom of and Freedom From Religion. The Government is not a place for religious dogma, and religious liberty should be protected equally for all belief or lack of belief.
8 ) We fight for equality for all people, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. We support LGBT+ Rights, Feminism and all forms of gender egalitarianism.
9) We do not support unnecessary interference in the personal lives of the people and oppose arbitrary enforcement of “morality” in favor of social freedoms.

I'd remove points seven and eight, as they're covered to some extent by nine - Though perhaps we could make that wider to ensure they're taken properly into account.

Hmm, maybe we should clarify what we mean by free trade. Free trade in a fair market would be a better way of putting it I think.

That was in the original five tenets suggested by Glasgia. I like how you put it.

I though the whole ensuring advantages part implied we only supported "fair" trade - ie. trade that benefits the workers.

[The New Sea Territory]

Here's my proposal, including what we've been talking about before. It's Glasgia's first points, edited and added to.

1) We do not support violent revolution. However, we strongly believe a social and economic revolution is necessary to create an egalitarian nation.
2) We strive to remove profit motives in the economy and allow for worker cooperation rather than vicious competition, to allow democratic management of the economy by the workers.
3) We support a social “safety net” and strict regulation of business in order to protect the worker and those who cannot work from harm in a Capitalist economy and during the transition away from Capitalism
4) We support social ownership of public necessities and providing them to all, free of cost, or at as little cost as possible
5) We support global co-operation and free trade, in order to ensure advantages from the global market for workers internationally
6) We recognize the intrinsic value of all living being and are dedicated to preserving the natural world. When there is need for the use of natural resources, we are committed to conservation and sustainable management such that it benefits all Placeholderstanis.
7) We uphold Separation of Church and State, both Freedom of and Freedom From Religion. The Government is not a place for religious dogma, and religious liberty should be protected equally for all belief or lack of belief.
8 ) We fight for equality for all people, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. We support LGBT+ Rights, Feminism and all forms of gender egalitarianism.
9) We do not support unnecessary interference in the personal lives of the people and oppose arbitrary enforcement of “morality” in favor of social freedoms.

I'd remove points seven and eight, as they're covered to some extent by nine - Though perhaps we could make that wider to ensure they're taken properly into account.

That was in the original five tenets suggested by Glasgia. I like how you put it.

I though the whole ensuring advantages part implied we only supported "fair" trade - ie. trade that benefits the workers.

We wanted them specifically mentioned, to make a strong stance on those issues. How about this:

"We do not support unnecessary interference in the personal lives of the people and oppose arbitrary enforcement of “morality” in favor of social freedoms, and stand for equal liberty for all individuals, including Freedom of and from Religion, LGBT+ Rights and Gender Equality"

As for the free trade...Yeah, that makes sense too. I really like either wording, I don't think it's bad either way.

[Bojikami]

Have I been accepted? If so, I shall apply for the senate.

[MERIZoC]

Here's my proposal, including what we've been talking about before. It's Glasgia's first points, edited and added to.

1) We do not support violent revolution. However, we strongly believe a social and economic revolution is necessary to create an egalitarian nation.
2) We strive to remove profit motives in the economy and allow for worker cooperation rather than vicious competition, to allow democratic management of the economy by the workers.
3) We support a social “safety net” and strict regulation of business in order to protect the worker and those who cannot work from harm in a Capitalist economy and during the transition away from Capitalism
4) We support social ownership of public necessities and providing them to all, free of cost, or at as little cost as possible
5) We support global co-operation and free trade, in order to ensure advantages from the global market for workers internationally
6) We recognize the intrinsic value of all living being and are dedicated to preserving the natural world. When there is need for the use of natural resources, we are committed to conservation and sustainable management such that it benefits all Placeholderstanis.
7) We uphold Separation of Church and State, both Freedom of and Freedom From Religion. The Government is not a place for religious dogma, and religious liberty should be protected equally for all belief or lack of belief.
8 ) We fight for equality for all people, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. We support LGBT+ Rights, Feminism and all forms of gender egalitarianism.
9) We do not support unnecessary interference in the personal lives of the people and oppose arbitrary enforcement of “morality” in favor of social freedoms.

I'd remove points seven and eight, as they're covered to some extent by nine - Though perhaps we could make that wider to ensure they're taken properly into account.

I think they're fine being separate. We want to emphasize these two points, and fitting them into clause 9 just feels awkward.