NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[Murkwood]

Hey! Have we ratified the Kyoto Protocol?

The Kyoto Protocol is a failure. Odds are we can't do any better.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... -emissions

[Britanno]

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=300349

Just putting this here in case anyone's interested.

[Strykla]

Hey! Have we ratified the Kyoto Protocol?

The Kyoto Protocol is a failure. Odds are we can't do any better.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... -emissions

It would be much better to at least try. The alternative is not something I would like to contemplate.

[Rephesus]

Is it too much to ask for people who want to be businessmen to create new characters? That way the business times can lobby politicians, rather than just one person (which is how it would turn out).

I don't think it's too much to ask. For example my senator is one character and Her Husband is a corporate executive who has lobbyists.

[Ainin]

Hey! Have we ratified the Kyoto Protocol?

The Kyoto Protocol is a failure. Odds are we can't do any better.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... -emissions

Canada isn't even a party to the Kyoto Protocol.

And your own article says "there are more successes than failures and the sum of emissions from nations with Kyoto targets have fallen significantly". The point the article makes about industrialising countries polluting more doesn't even make any sense, since they're exempted from any limits imposed by the treaty.

[Ainin]

NewZep, here's a police logo if you want it:

[The Nihilistic view]

King loophole decrees that clause 35 is a total waste of time and is easily got around through the use of various ownership structures proxy deals and other such unofficial deals. In reality all it will do is make things less transparent as to whether an MP is also in the pocket of a company or not. So it is probably more detrimental to the goal it is trying to achieve than anything else.

[The New Sea Territory]

We NEED Anti-Police Brutality Legislation!!!

Seriously. After the police beat up an MP, a bystander comes to help, then is tased and thrown in a ditch, dies in the hospital from heart failure.....

[Strykla]

We NEED Anti-Police Brutality Legislation!!!

Seriously. After the police beat up an MP, a bystander comes to help, then is tased and thrown in a ditch, dies in the hospital from heart failure.....

As a member of the Classical Royalist Party, I would advise against any knee-jerk reaction. The police of our nation are not all great, but we must not respond to this situation by putting unreasonable restrictions on them. As a very early suggestion, perhaps put recording devices on all active-duty officers?

[The New Sea Territory]

We NEED Anti-Police Brutality Legislation!!!

Seriously. After the police beat up an MP, a bystander comes to help, then is tased and thrown in a ditch, dies in the hospital from heart failure.....

As a member of the Classical Royalist Party, I would advise against any knee-jerk reaction. The police of our nation are not all great, but we must not respond to this situation by putting unreasonable restrictions on them. As a very early suggestion, perhaps put recording devices on all active-duty officers?

Sounds good but we need anything. A man was tazed for speaking.

[New Zepuha]

As Minister of Interior I promise you that if chosen to that position I will launch an internal investigation!

[The Nihilistic view]

I don't think we have police yet do we officially?

[New Zepuha]

I don't think we have police yet do we officially?

We do, it isn't in formal writing but we are assuming that a nation that is 60+ years old has one...

[The Nihilistic view]

I don't think we have police yet do we officially?

We do, it isn't in formal writing but we are assuming that a nation that is 60+ years old has one...

Officially means there is not legislation that underpins their actions. I.e we need an establishment or powers bill that gives policing powers. Without one they aren't officially police and any arrests would be illegal.

Especially as we can't know what shape they might take until we know which history is chosen.

[New Zepuha]

Oh well, we aren't going to sit around and let the same anarchy take place while we wait for the bill to come to vote.

[The New Sea Territory]

Oh well, we aren't going to sit around and let the same anarchy take place while we wait for the bill to come to vote.

I would not be opposed...

[The Nihilistic view]

Oh well, we aren't going to sit around and let the same anarchy take place while we wait for the bill to come to vote.

I think it is different this time round as first off we know the kind of thing we need and have experience writing legislation. What needs to be passed first. (Also where I think the proposed constitution is problematically restrictive on the rate of legislation that would go through the house). Also I don't think there is much of a desire for that kind of random huge kind of disruption as happened before.

Until a bill happens what can you do? You might not sit around but it would just end up in street fighting really between government and other paramilitary groups with no rule of law. But I hope police and criminal laws will be the first things passed this time instead of before when people stupidly wasted time passing marriage laws and shit. I think that is a good thing to learn from before.

[New Zepuha]

Soo.. the police can brutalize citizens until a point where it is illegal? Noice Take that you phone cameras! You aint got shit!

[Yanalia]

The nation has certain basic laws in place. Unlike Aurentina it has not recently gained sovereignty.

[The Nihilistic view]

Soo.. the police can brutalize citizens until a point where it is illegal? Noice Take that you phone cameras! You aint got shit!

As sort of alluded to before it does cut both ways.

[Kraciva]

I think there is a motion we could do when the Seima is in session to move any bill up in the agenda. Assuming someone writes an anti-police brutality bill, I'd be happy to motion that it is moved up as first item on the quorum.

[New Zepuha]

I think there is a motion we could do when the Seima is in session to move any bill up in the agenda. Assuming someone writes an anti-police brutality bill, I'd be happy to motion that it is moved up as first item on the quorum.

Except you ignore that fact that there is no police department officially. And that we don't really need crippling restrictions, we need an investigation to root out corruption.

[The Nihilistic view]

The nation has certain basic laws in place. Unlike Aurentina it has not recently gained sovereignty.

Which we can't see. So we don't know exactly what they would be. So we don't know what to RP. So we can't say specifically what acts in what circumstances are legal or illegal. Therefore to all intents and purposes there are no laws to RP by.

[Yanalia]

The nation has certain basic laws in place. Unlike Aurentina it has not recently gained sovereignty.

Which we can't see. So we don't know exactly what they would be. So we don't know what to RP. So we can't say specifically what acts in what circumstances are legal or illegal. Therefore to all intents and purposes there are no laws to RP by.

No, they can be determined by admins on a case by case basis based on our own history and realism relative to the other Baltic states.

[The Nihilistic view]

Which we can't see. So we don't know exactly what they would be. So we don't know what to RP. So we can't say specifically what acts in what circumstances are legal or illegal. Therefore to all intents and purposes there are no laws to RP by.

No, they can be determined by admins on a case by case basis based on our own history and realism relative to the other Baltic states.

You do know the main point of this RP is as a legislature and government RP right? What your saying is lets not play the game but instead get a couple of people nobody elected to the admin positions to make the IC laws instead.