NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[Mishmahig]

Yes, and I'm trying to get a sense of how the area around Baltonia treats the issue, not countries across the Atlantic.

Much like how we analyzed/are analyzing other issues, like GDP, LGBT rights, healthcare, etc.

You said:

With due respect, source, please? I was not aware of this.

I presented you additional evidence within the qualifications of your question, and you dismissed it by shifting the goalposts from "Western" to "European".

No, I agreed with your response, "Yes", and then proceeded to ask if you had further evidence of how European nations around Baltonia handle the issue. The same way we discussed other issues.

I badly phrased my response, and I apologize for that. I hope my clarification helps.

Edit: I recognized that there were examples, (such as the ones provided by yourself and Great Nepal -- Canada and Britain), but there were also counter-examples (Germany, France, Sweden, Latvia, etc), so to clarify the issue, I wanted to know what the countries in our immediate vicinity, the ones we've been taking our cues from on GDP, healthcare, LGBT rights, etc, felt on the topic. A sub-question to Med's question? Follow-up?

[Arkolon]

To conclude on my argument in favour of Clause 35: what matters more to a citizen, their business or their political position? If it is your business, then you are the reason clause 35 was written. If it is your political position, then it is worth giving up your business.

CTALNH, if you want to RP unrest and not the voting on bills, then participate as a non-politician citizen and business owner. You'll still RP stuff, just not the stuff you find so boring.

Yeah why not I can just finance a dude to become an MP and vote as I tell him.

Huh, so you're going to play as an openly-corrupt politician?

[CTALNH]

Yeah why not I can just finance a dude to become an MP and vote as I tell him.

Huh, so you're going to play as an openly-corrupt politician?

Well your not giving much of choice now are you?

[Strykla]

Huh, so you're going to play as an openly-corrupt politician?

Well your not giving much of choice now are you?

You could just abide by this $500,000 limit(assuming it becomes law), and sell off your industries?

[CTALNH]

Well your not giving much of choice now are you?

You could just abide by this $500,000 limit(assuming it becomes law), and sell off your industries?

Who would do that?

[Arkolon]

You could just abide by this $500,000 limit(assuming it becomes law), and sell off your industries?

Who would do that?

Again, how badly do you want this political position?

[The Jasminia Islands]

You could just abide by this $500,000 limit(assuming it becomes law), and sell off your industries?

Who would do that?

Someone who wants to get into the Seima

[Strykla]

You could just abide by this $500,000 limit(assuming it becomes law), and sell off your industries?

Who would do that?

People who want to be MPs more than CEOs?

[CTALNH]

Who would do that?

People who want to be MPs more than CEOs?*

*And are brain-dead?

[The Jasminia Islands]

People who want to be MPs more than CEOs?*

*And are brain-dead?

No, just want to serve their country

[Strykla]

People who want to be MPs more than CEOs?*

*And are brain-dead?

Real simple: Money? Or politics? You can't have both.

[CTALNH]

*And are brain-dead?

Real simple: Money? Or politics? You can't have both.

None is that idealistic.Also thanks for the giant ass loopholes.

[Maryginia]

r you could in name hand over CEO t someone else and in practice still run the com pany.

[CTALNH]

r you could in name hand over CEO t someone else and in practice still run the com pany.

Meh.

[Unicario]

r you could in name hand over CEO t someone else and in practice still run the com pany.

Step 1. Create position with a $450k salary.
Step 2. Resign CEO status, become that position
Step 3. Maintain large share of stock in the company

They can't penalize you for money made with stock portfolios since that's not directly benefiting from a company payment, that's just financial investment.

Alternatively, just donate the majority of your income to charity, since that counts as a net income <500k.

[CTALNH]

r you could in name hand over CEO t someone else and in practice still run the com pany.

Step 1. Create position with a $450k salary.
Step 2. Resign CEO status, become that position
Step 3. Maintain large share of stock in the company

They can't penalize you for money made with stock portfolios since that's not directly benefiting from a company payment, that's just financial investment.

Alternatively, just donate the majority of your income to charity, since that counts as a net income <500k.

Or just invest all the money except the 500k

[Ainin]

You said:

I presented you additional evidence within the qualifications of your question, and you dismissed it by shifting the goalposts from "Western" to "European".

No, I agreed with your response, "Yes", and then proceeded to ask if you had further evidence of how European nations around Baltonia handle the issue. The same way we discussed other issues.

I badly phrased my response, and I apologize for that. I hope my clarification helps.

Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. Here you go then:

"The duties of a Member of the Seimas, with the exception of his duties in the Seimas, shall be incompatible with any other duties in state agencies and organisations and with any job in business, commercial and other private agencies or enterprises."
- Statute of the Seimas of the Lithuanian Republic, Section 6

[Maryginia]

r you could in name hand over CEO t someone else and in practice still run the com pany.

Step 1. Create position with a $450k salary.
Step 2. Resign CEO status, become that position
Step 3. Maintain large share of stock in the company

They can't penalize you for money made with stock portfolios since that's not directly benefiting from a company payment, that's just financial investment.

Alternatively, just donate the majority of your income to charity, since that counts as a net income <500k.

If the whole thing happens I'm going to do that, and resign CEO in name only, the CEO in name will run the company but in practice, The Corporate affairs adviser, whose role is to advise the CEO of all matters in the company, well If my character's cousin becomes CEO, and My senator becomes Corporate affairs adviser, Well we found a solution.

[Mishmahig]

No, I agreed with your response, "Yes", and then proceeded to ask if you had further evidence of how European nations around Baltonia handle the issue. The same way we discussed other issues.

I badly phrased my response, and I apologize for that. I hope my clarification helps.

Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. Here you go then:

"The duties of a Member of the Seimas, with the exception of his duties in the Seimas, shall be incompatible with any other duties in state agencies and organisations and with any job in business, commercial and other private agencies or enterprises."
- Statute of the Seimas of the Lithuanian Republic, Section 6

No worries, it was my fault for badly phrasing it.

And thanks! That helps shed some light on it. What do you think of the compromise GN came up with, to protect small-business owners who wish to participate?

[Ainin]

Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. Here you go then:

"The duties of a Member of the Seimas, with the exception of his duties in the Seimas, shall be incompatible with any other duties in state agencies and organisations and with any job in business, commercial and other private agencies or enterprises."
- Statute of the Seimas of the Lithuanian Republic, Section 6

No worries, it was my fault for badly phrasing it.

And thanks! That helps shed some light on it. What do you think of the compromise GN came up with, to protect small-business owners who wish to participate?

That sounds perfectly acceptable to me.

[Strykla]

Hey! Have we ratified the Kyoto Protocol?

[CTALNH]

Hey! Have we ratified the Kyoto Protocol?

Nope not formally but we should.

[Ainin]

Hey! Have we ratified the Kyoto Protocol?

Maklohi has tabled a bill to that effect.

[Strykla]

Hey! Have we ratified the Kyoto Protocol?

Maklohi has tabled a bill to that effect.

Okay. Hopefully that' something we can all get behind.

[Britanno]

Is it too much to ask for people who want to be businessmen to create new characters? That way the business times can lobby politicians, rather than just one person (which is how it would turn out).