NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[Mishmahig]

That's because our Parliament is as corrupt as...

Or the Latvian Saemia... or the Estonian Riigikogu....

Or the Swedish Riksdag or the Finnish Eduskunta. Seriously, am I missing something? I feel like I'm missing something.

[CTALNH]

Well certainly not in my country greece.

Actually, I think it kind of does in limited capacity...

Article 57: The duties of Member of parliament are incompatible with the job or capacity of owner or partner or shareholder or governor or administrator or member of board of directors or general manager or deputy thereof, of an enterprise that:
-long list of businesses which may have contact with government-

Yeah right...


I mean I believe you.But nobody gives two fucks about said clause.

If they did they wouldn't put the Yannis Stournaras MEMBER of the Board of Governors of the International Monetary Fund.

[Calimera II]

Who do you think pays for the Tories?

In fairness, British MPs and MEPs are usually more into fraudulently claiming expenses than running large companies.

Yup.

[CTALNH]

Yeah Ainin has it out for me OOCly.

Well, the debate could certainly be more polite.

Well I am not the one permeating hostility am I.

[The Jasminia Islands]

Who do you think pays for the Tories?

In fairness, British MPs and MEPs are usually more into fraudulently claiming expenses than running large companies.

Ah yes, much better

[Glasgia]

Yeah Ainin has it out for me OOCly.

Well, the debate could certainly be more polite.

It was hardly a provocation - It was blunt, but CTALNH can't moan about Ainin quite rightly pointing out that taking our lead from Greece is far from attractive currently given recent events and the situation there.

[Britcan]

In fairness, British MPs and MEPs are usually more into fraudulently claiming expenses than running large companies.

Ah yes, much better

I didn't say it was a good thing.

[Glasgia]

Ah yes, much better

I didn't say it was a good thing.

But what would I do without my backyard swimming pool?

[Mishmahig]

Well, the debate could certainly be more polite.

It was hardly a provocation - It was blunt, but CTALNH can't moan about Ainin quite rightly pointing out that taking our lead from Greece is far from attractive currently given recent events and the situation there.

Except that it's not just Greece, it's numerous other countries. CTALNH was using an example he knew to be largely correct, and Ainin's response without researching the matter further was rather....flippant, to my view.

[Calimera II]

Well, the debate could certainly be more polite.

It was hardly a provocation - It was blunt, but CTALNH can't moan about Ainin quite rightly pointing out that taking our lead from Greece is far from attractive currently given recent events and the situation there.

Starting about Greece because CTALNH is greek is provocative.

[Arkolon]

Why would it be ridiculous?

Because it's superfluous?

How? It effectively prevents the direct access of private interests into the legislative branch. The loaded citizens will jump into the Seima after spewing wads of cash absolutely everywhere they can, and when they find themselves in a position of power which is then easily exploitable. Being a politician means helping the community as a whole, not only yourself. And clause 35 reflects just that.

[Glasgia]

It was hardly a provocation - It was blunt, but CTALNH can't moan about Ainin quite rightly pointing out that taking our lead from Greece is far from attractive currently given recent events and the situation there.

Starting about Greece because CTALNH is greek is provocative.

It wasn't because CTALNH was Greek, or at least it didn't appear to be so, but rather because he had mentioned Greece as an example.

[CTALNH]

Okay boys lets lighten what has been done is done.

[Mishmahig]

Because it's superfluous?

How? It effectively prevents the direct access of private interests into the legislative branch. The loaded citizens will jump into the Seima after spewing wads of cash absolutely everywhere they can, and when they find themselves in a position of power which is then easily exploitable. Being a politician means helping the community as a whole, not only yourself. And clause 35 reflects just that.

I object to your assumption that businessmen do not look out for the interests of the community as a whole.

I also note that this forbids any holder of an office of profit from being a member of the Seima, including middle-class businessmen/women, who own their own businesses.

[Unicario]

Because it's superfluous?

How? It effectively prevents the direct access of private interests into the legislative branch. The loaded citizens will jump into the Seima after spewing wads of cash absolutely everywhere they can, and when they find themselves in a position of power which is then easily exploitable. Being a politician means helping the community as a whole, not only yourself. And clause 35 reflects just that.

Except that this RP doesn't seem to have the problem of bribery and cajoling, in the case of Aurentina. The whole "running a business" thing is usually an aside from the focus of serving the nation. My character in the last RP was a CEO, and they became President of Aurentina at the end... not even by bribery, but because everyone wanted to vote for them (narrow victory lol)

[Calimera II]

Starting about Greece because CTALNH is greek is provocative.

It wasn't because CTALNH was Greek, or at least it didn't appear to be so, but rather because he had mentioned Greece as an example.

Mmm I don't agree:

I don't find this funny.

I don't find economic ruin, spiraling debt and financial alienation very funny either.

When CTALNH says it isn't funny it is a clear sign that he draws the line there about Greece.

[CTALNH]

How? It effectively prevents the direct access of private interests into the legislative branch. The loaded citizens will jump into the Seima after spewing wads of cash absolutely everywhere they can, and when they find themselves in a position of power which is then easily exploitable. Being a politician means helping the community as a whole, not only yourself. And clause 35 reflects just that.

I object to your assumption that businessmen do not look out for the interests of the community as a whole.

I also note that this forbids any holder of an office of profit from being a member of the Seima, including middle-class businessmen/women, who own their own businesses.

Yes most certainly.

While I am supposed a racist neo nazi I do help the Russian community immensely.

[Murkwood]

Dragomere Digital Conglomerate, anyone?

Mardzhis Industries, my new company that I made up a second ago, now controls 99.99999999999% of all industries and is worth one million billion thousand dollars.

Well, Juzyinis Inc. just bought you and everything else in the world and is worth Googolplex dollars.

[Great Nepal]

Also, doing a cursory check, I don't see any similar restrictions on the National Assembly in France, the Bundestag in Germany, or Parliament in England. Am I missing something, or..?

Not many do it in blanket fashion as here but a lot do list a large areas where you aren't for instance:

House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975The Advisory Board for the Research Councils. The Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Arbitration Tribunal. An Arbitration Tribunal established under Schedule 3 to the Industry Act 1975. An Area Electricity Board in England and Wales. The Attendance Allowance Board. The Attendance Allowance Board for Northern Ireland. The British Airports Authority. The British Airways Board. The British Board of Agrément. The British Film Fund Agency. The British Gas Corporation. The British National Oil Corporation. The British Railways Board. British Shipbuilders. The British Steel Corporation. British Telecommunications. The British Waterways Board. The Broadcasting Complaints Commission. The Central Arbitration Committee. The Central Electricity Generating Board. The Civil Aviation Authority. The Civil Service Arbitration Tribunal. The Commission for Local Administration in England. The Commission for Local Administration in Wales. The Commission for Local Authority Accounts in Scotland. The Commission for the New Towns. The Commission for Racial Equality. The Commonwealth Development Corporation. The Co-operative Development Agency. The Council of the Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service. The Council on Tribunals. The Covent Garden Market Authority. The Criminal Injuries Compensation Board. The Crofters Commission. The Crown Agents for Oversea Governments and Administrations. The Crown Estate Commissioners. The Development Board for Rural Wales. The Development Commission established under the Development and Road Improvement Funds Act 1909. A Development Corporation within the meaning of the New Towns Act 1981 or the New Towns (Scotland) Act 1968. A Development Council established under the Industrial Organisation and Development Act 1947. The Eggs Authority. The Electricity Council. The Employment Appeal Tribunal. The English Industrial Estates Corporation. The Equal Opportunities Commission. The Equal Opportunities Commission for Northern Ireland. The Fair Employment Agency for Northern Ireland. The Fair Employment Appeals Board. Food from Britain. The Foreign Compensation Commission. The Forestry Commission. The Gaming Board for Great Britain. The General Practice Finance Corporation. The Health and Safety Agency for Northern Ireland. The Health and Safety Commission. The Health and Safety Executive. The Highlands and Islands Development Board. The Home-Grown Cereals Authority. The Housing Corporation. The Immigration Appeal Tribunal. The Independent Broadcasting Authority. An Industrial Court established in Northern Ireland. The Industrial Development Board for Northern Ireland. The Industrial Injuries Advisory Council. The Intervention Board for Agricultural Produce and every committee of the Board performing functions of the Board. A Joint Planning Inquiry Commission constituted under Part III of the Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1972. The Labour Relations Agency. The Land Authority for Wales. The Lands Tribunal. The Lands Tribunal for Northern Ireland. The Lands Tribunal for Scotland. The Law Commission. The Livestock Marketing Commission for Northern Ireland. The Local Government Boundary Commission for England. The Local Government Boundary Commission for Scotland. The Local Government Boundary Commission for Wales. The Manpower Services Commission. The Meat and Livestock Commission. A Medical Appeal Tribunal constituted for the purposes of Part III of the Social Security Act 1975 or Part III of the Social Security (Northern Ireland) Act 1975, including any panel constituted for the purposes of any such Tribunal. A Medical Board or Pneumoconiosis Medical Board constituted for the purposes of Part III of the Social Security Act 1975 or Part III of the Social Security (Northern Ireland) Act 1975, including any panel constituted for the purposes of any such Board. A Medical Practices Committee constituted under section 7 of the National Health Service Act 1977 or section 3 of the National Heath Service (Scotland) Act 1978. The Medicines Commission and any committee established under section 4 of the Medicines Act 1968. A Mental Health Review Tribunal constituted under the Mental Health Act 1959. The Mental Health Review Tribunal for Northern Ireland. The Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland. The Monopolies and Mergers Commission. A National Broadcasting Council. The National Bus Company. The National Coal Board. The National Consumer Council. The National Dock Labour Board. The National Enterprise Board. The National Film Finance Corporation. The National Radiological Protection Board. The National Research Development Corporation. The New Towns Staff Commission. The North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board. The Northern Ireland Economic Council. The Northern Ireland Electricity Service. The Northern Ireland Fishery Harbour Authority. The Northern Ireland Housing Executive. The Northern Ireland Tourist Board. The Occupational Pensions Board. The Parole Board constituted under section 59 of the Criminal Justice Act 1967. The Parole Board for Scotland constituted under section 59 of the Criminal Justice Act 1967. A Pensions Appeal Tribunal. The Performing Right Tribunal. The Pilotage Commission. The Planning Appeals Commission established under Article 88 of the Planning (Northern Ireland) Order 1972. A Planning Inquiry Commission constituted under Part III of the Town and Country Planning Act 1971. A Planning Inquiry Commission constituted under Part III of the Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1972. The Police Complaints Board. The Police Complaints Board for Northern Ireland. The Post Office. The Red Deer Commission. The Restrictive Practices Court. The Review Board for Government Contracts. A Rural Development Board. The Scottish Committee of the Council on Tribunals. The Scottish Development Agency. The Scottish Land Court. The Scottish Law Commission. The Scottish Transport Group. The Sea Fish Industry Authority. The Social Security Advisory Committee. The South of Scotland Electricity Board. The Staff Commission established under section 7 of the Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1979. The Traffic Commissioners for any area (including the commissioner for the Metropolitan Traffic Area). The Transport Tribunal. The Tribunal established under the Prevention of Fraud (Investments) Act 1958. The Tribunal established under Part II of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949. The United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority. The University Grants Committee. A Value Added Tax Tribunal. The Water Appeals Commission for Northern Ireland. The Welsh Development Agency. The Welsh Fourth Channel Authority.

Additional Commissioner of the Commission for Racial Equality. Additional Commissioner of the Equal Opportunities Commission. Adjudicator appointed for the purposes of the Immigration Act 1971. Ambassador or Permanent Representative to an international organisation representing Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom. Assessor of Public Undertakings (Scotland). Assistant Commissioner appointed under Part IV of the Local Government Act 1972. Assistant Commissioner appointed under Part II of the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973. Attorney General of the Duchy of Lancaster. Auditor of the Civil List. Auditor of the Court of Session. Boundary Commissioner or Assistant Boundary Commissioner appointed under Part I or Part II of Schedule 1 to the House of Commons (Redistribution of Seats) Act 1949. Certification officer or assistant certification officer appointed under section 7 of the Employment Protection Act 1975. Chairman or Vice-Chairman of the Advisory Committee on Distinction Awards. Chairman or member of a panel of deputy-chairmen of an Agricultural Land Tribunal. Chairman of an Appeal Tribunal constituted in accordance with Schedule 4 to the Supplementary Benefits Act 1976 or Schedule 4 to the Supplementary Benefits (Northern Ireland) Order 1977, or Senior Chairman in relation to such a tribunal. Paid Chairman of an Area Transport Users Consultative Committee established under section 56 of the Transport Act 1962. Chairman or Director-General of the British Council. Chairman of the British Overseas Trade Board. Paid Chairman of the Central Transport Consultative Committee for Great Britain established under section 56 of the Transport Act 1962. Chairman or Deputy Chairman of the Civil Service Appeal Board. Chairman of any of the Consultative Councils established under section 7 of the Electricity Act 1947 for the areas of Area Boards in England and Wales. Chairman of either of the Consultative Councils continued in existence by section 17(1) of the Electricity (Scotland) Act 1979 for the districts of the North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board and the South of Scotland Electricity Board. Chairman of the Countryside Commission for Scotland and any other member of the Commission in receipt of remuneration. Chairman of the Dental Committee of the Northern Ireland Central Services Agency for the Health and Social Services. Chairman or Vice-Chairman of the Dental Estimates Board or member of that Board appointed at an annual salary. Chairman of the Distinction and Meritorious Service Committee for Northern Ireland. Chairman of the Domestic Coal Consumer Council. Chairman of the Electricity Consumer Council. Chairman of Enterprise Ulster. Paid Chairman of a Health Board constituted under the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1972. Chairman of a Health and Social Services Board established under Article 16 of the Health and Personal Social Services (Northern Ireland) Order 1972. Paid Chairman of an Industrial Training Board constituted under the Industrial Training Act 1964 or the Industrial Training Act 1982 or of a committee appointed under either of those Acts or paid Deputy Chairman of such a board. Chairman, Vice-Chairman or member of the executive committee of the Land Settlement Association Limited appointed at a salary. Chairman of the Local Government Staff Commission for Northern Ireland. Chairman of a Local Tribunal constituted under section 97(2) of, and Schedule 10 to, the Social Security Act 1975 or under section 97(2) of, and Schedule 10 to, the Social Security (Northern Ireland) Act 1975. Chairman of the Management Committee of the Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service. Chairman of the Manpower Services Committee for Scotland. Chairman of the Manpower Services. Committee for Wales. Chairman of a committee constituted under section 90 of the Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1960. Chairman of any of the National Boards constituted under the Nurses, Midwives and Health Visitors Act 1979, if appointed by the Secretary of State under section 5(8)(a) of that Act. Chairman in receipt of remuneration of the National Gas Consumers' Council or any Regional Gas Consumers' Council. Chairman or Vice-Chairman of the National Seed Development Organisation Limited. Chairman, or other member appointed by a Minister, of the National Water Council. Chairman of the Northern Ireland Central Services Agency for the Health and Social Services. Chairman of the Northern Ireland Civil Service Appeal Board. Chairman of the Northern Ireland Council for Nurses and Mid-wives. Chairman of the Northern Ireland Staffs Council for the Health and Social Services. Any Chairman of the Plant Varieties and Seeds Tribunal. Chairman of the Police Authority for Northern Ireland. Chairman of the Post Office Users' National Council. Chairman of the Prescription Pricing Agency. Chairman of the Probation Board for Northern Ireland. Chairman in receipt of remuneration of any Regional Health Authority, Area Health Authority, District Health Authority or special health authority (within the meaning of the National Health Service Act 1977). Chairman of a Regional Water Authority. Chairman of the Scottish Dental Estimates Board or a member of that Board appointed at an annual salary. Chairman, Deputy Chairman or member of the Council of Management of the Scottish Special Housing Association, appointed at a salary. Chairman or Vice-Chairman of the Scottish Sports Council. Chairman or Vice-Chairman of the Sports Council. Chairman or Vice-Chairman of the Sports Council for Northern Ireland. Chairman or Vice-Chairman of the Sports Council for Wales. Chairman of the Staff Commission for Education and Library Boards in Northern Ireland. Chairman of the Standing Advisory Commission on Human Rights constituted under section 20 of die Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973. Chairman of the tribunal constituted under section 463 of the Income and Corporation Taxes Act 1970. Chairman of the United Kingdom Central Council for Nursing, Midwifery and Health Visiting, if appointed by the Secretary of State under section 1(6)(a) of the Nurses, Midwives and Health Visitors Act 1979. Chairman of the Welsh National Water Development Authority. Chairman of the Wine Standards Board of the Company of the master, wardens and commonalty of Vintners of the City of London. Chairman of the Women's Royal Voluntary Service. Chief Electoral Officer for Northern Ireland or any whole time officer appointed under section 14A(1) of the Electoral Law Act (Northern Ireland) 1962. Chief Executive of the National Enterprise Board. Chief Scientist of the Scottish Home and Health Department. Clerk or deputy clerk of a district council in Northern Ireland. The Commissioner for Local Administration in Scotland. Commissioner or Assistant Commissioner appointed under section 50(1) or (2) of, or Schedule 4 to, the Local Government Act (Northern Ireland) 1972. The Commissioner appointed by Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom under Article 3 of the Agreement confirmed by the Nauru Island Agreement Act 1920. Commissioner or Assistant Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis. Commissioner of the City of London Police. Comptroller and Auditor General. Comptroller and Auditor General for Northern Ireland. Constable, Lieutenant or Major of the Tower of London,

Counsel to the Secretary of State under the Private Legislation Procedure (Scotland) Act 1936. Crown Solicitor for Northern Ireland. Delegate for Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom to the Central Rhine Commission. Director of the Agricultural Mortgage Corporation p.l.c. nominated by a Minister of the Crown or government department. Director of the British Aerospace Public Limited Company appointed subject to the approval of a Minister or government department. Director of British Nuclear Fuels Limited. Director of the British Petroleum p.l.c. nominated by a Minister of the Crown or government department. Director of Cable and Wireless Public Limited Company nominated by a Minister of the Crown or government department. Director of the Cereals Committee Limited appointed by a Minister of the Crown or government department Director of the Commonwealth Institute. Director of any company in receipt of financial assistance under the Distribution of Industry Act 1945, the Distribution of Industry (Industrial Finance) Act 1958, the Shipbuilding Industry Act 1967, the Local Employment Act 1972, Part II of the Industry Act 1972 or Part III or section 13 of the Industrial Development Act 1982, being a director nominated by a Minister of the Crown or government department. Director nominated by the Secretary of State of any company in respect of which an undertaking to make advances has been given by the Secretary of State under section 2 of the Highlands and Islands Shipping Services Act 1960 and is for the time being in force. Director of Harland and Wolff Limited. Director of ICL Public Limited Company nominated or appointed by a Minister of the Crown or government department Director of International Military Services Limited. Director of the Northern Ireland Transport Holding Company. Director, or Deputy Director, of Public Prosecutions for Northern Ireland. Director appointed at a salary of Remploy Limited. Director of S.B. (Realisations) p.l.c. nominated or appointed by a Minister of the Crown or government department. Director of the Scottish Agricultural Securities Corporation p.l.c. nominated by a Minister of the Crown or government department. Director of Short Brothers Limited. Director General of Fair Trading. Director General of the National Economic Development Office. Distributor of Stamps appointed by the Commissioners of Inland Revenue for the Stock Exchange at Glasgow. General Manager or Secretary of the Scottish Special Housing Association. The Governor or Administrator of a dependent territory within the meaning of section 50(1) of the British Nationality Act 1981. Governor of the British Broadcasting Corporation. Governor, Deputy Governor or Director of the Bank of England. Governor, Lieutenant Governor and Secretary, or Captain of Invalids of Chelsea Hospital. Governor, Medical Officer or other officer or member of the staff of a prison to which the Prison Act (Northern Ireland) 1953 applies. Health Service Commissioner for England. Health Service Commissioner for Scotland. Health Service Commissioner for Wales. High Commissioner representing Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom. Industrial Assurance Commissioner or Deputy Industrial Assurance Commissioner appointed under the Industrial Assurance (Northern Ireland) Order 1979. Judge Advocate of the Fleet. Judge Advocate General, Vice Judge Advocate General, Assistant Judge Advocate General or Deputy Judge Advocate. Lay observer appointed under section 45 of the Solicitors Act 1974. Lay observer appointed under Article 42 of the Solicitors (Northern Ireland) Order 1976. Lay observer appointed under section 49 of the Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1980. Levy Exemption Referee for the purposes of the Industrial Training Act 1982. Liquidator appointed under section 2 of the Licensing (Alcohol Education and Research) Act 1981. Lyon Clerk. Lyon King of Arms. Medical Officer for Complaints appointed for Wales by the Secretary of State. Member of an Agricultural Marketing Board appointed by the Minister under Schedule 2 to the Agricultural Marketing Act 1958. Member of an Agricultural Marketing Board appointed under section 3 of the Agricultural Marketing Act (Northern Ireland) 1964. Member appointed by a Minister of the Crown of the Agricultural Wages Board for England and Wales or of an agricultural wages committee established under the Agricultural Wages Act 1948, or chairman of such a committee. Member appointed by the Secretary of State of the Scottish Agricultural Wages Board. Member appointed by the Head of the Department of Agriculture for Northern Ireland of the Agricultural Wages Board for Northern Ireland. Any member of the Audit Commission for Local Authorities in England and Wales in receipt of remuneration. Any member of the British Library Board in receipt of remuneration. Any member in receipt of remuneration of the British Tourist Authority, the English Tourist Board, the Scottish Tourist Board or the Wales Tourist Board. Any member of the Countryside Commission in receipt of remuneration. Member appointed by the Secretary of State of the Horserace Betting Levy Board. Member of the Local Enterprise Development Unit. Any member of the Mental Health Act Commission in receipt of remuneration. Any member of the Nature Conservancy Council in receipt of remuneration. Member of a panel of persons who may be appointed to consider representations in accordance with section 3(4)(b) of the Employment Agencies Act 1973. Member of a panel of persons appointed under Schedule 10 to the Rent Act 1977 to act as chairmen and other members of rent assessment committees. Member of the panel of persons appointed under Schedule 5 to the Rent (Scotland) Act 1971 to act as chairmen and other members of rent assessment committees. Member of a panel of persons who may be appointed to serve on a Vaccine Damage Tribunal. Member of the Board of the Royal Ordnance Factories. Any member, in receipt of remuneration, of an urban development corporation (within the meaning of Part XVI of the Local Government, Planning and Land Act 1980). Member of a Wages Council or Central Co-ordinating Committee appointed under paragraph 1(1)(a) of Schedule 2 to the Wages Councils Act 1979 or chairman of a committee appointed under paragraph 1(1)(a) of Schedule 3 to that Act. Member of a Wages Council or Central Co-ordinating Committee appointed under paragraph 1(a) of Schedule 2 to the Wages Councils (Northern Ireland) Order 1982. Northern Ireland Commissioner for Complaints. Northern Ireland Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration. Officer or servant employed under the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis or the Receiver for the Metropolitan Police District. Officer or servant of the Crown Estate Commissioners. Officer, clerk or servant appointed or employed under section 20 of the Greenwich Hospital Act 1865. Officer of the Supreme Court being the holder of any office listed in any Part of Schedule 2 to the Supreme Court Act 1981 or a district registrar, or assistant district registrar, of the High Court. Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration. Person appointed to hear and decide appeals under the Trade Marks Act 1938. President, or member of a panel of chairmen, of industrial tribunals established under section 12 of the Industrial Training Act 1964. President, or member of a panel of chairmen, of industrial tribunals established under section 13 of the Industrial Training Act (Northern Ireland) 1964. Public Works Loan Commissioner. Receiver for the Metropolitan Police District. Registrar or Assistant Registrar appointed under section 18 or section 19 of the County Courts Act 1959. Registrar or Assistant Registrar of Friendly Societies. Registrar of the Privy Council. Registrar of Public Lending Right. Registration Officer appointed under section 8(2) of the Representation of the People Act 1983. Registration Officer appointed under section 6(3) of the Representation of the People Act 1949. Rent officer or deputy rent officer appointed in pursuance of a scheme under section 63 of the Rent Act 1977. Rent officer or deputy rent officer nominated under Schedule 5 to the Rent (Northern Ireland) Order 1978. Returning Officer under section 25(1) of the Representation of the People Act 1983 and any Deputy Returning Officer appointed by him. Solicitor in Scotland to any department of Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom. Standing Counsel to any department of Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom. Statutory officer appointed under section 70 of the Judicature (Northern Ireland) Act 1978.

Essentially they ban any companies which might get help from government, any that may have monopoly (bus company, coal for UK, arospace etc) and for good reason; a MP can not be expected to be objective if he has conflict of interest. This kind of massive wall of text would do this or just ban on anyone who has seat in another profit company.

[Arkolon]

How? It effectively prevents the direct access of private interests into the legislative branch. The loaded citizens will jump into the Seima after spewing wads of cash absolutely everywhere they can, and when they find themselves in a position of power which is then easily exploitable. Being a politician means helping the community as a whole, not only yourself. And clause 35 reflects just that.

I object to your assumption that businessmen do not look out for the interests of the community as a whole.

I also note that this forbids any holder of an office of profit from being a member of the Seima, including middle-class businessmen/women, who own their own businesses.

The problem is that removing clause 35 would leave a huge gap wide open just for exploit by RPers, namely CTALNH and Dragomere. Otherwise, I can just say that Mr. Kozlov owns a huge business himself, and that any attempts to stop him from achieving his goals, whatever they may be, would be countered with "oh, you can't do that; you see, I'm made of money, and my helicopter-equipped team of security guards will prevent you from voting against whatever I want to do.". It's just a measure of precaution. Small business-owners-- ach, that's just collateral. Small sacrifice in comparison to the good that comes out of keeping clause 35.

[CTALNH]

Mardzhis Industries, my new company that I made up a second ago, now controls 99.99999999999% of all industries and is worth one million billion thousand dollars.

Well, Juzyinis Inc. just bought you and everything else in the world and is worth Googolplex dollars.

While I enjoy you people being funny I am trying to actually pull feasible number have actual workers.

[CTALNH]

Also, doing a cursory check, I don't see any similar restrictions on the National Assembly in France, the Bundestag in Germany, or Parliament in England. Am I missing something, or..?

Not many do it in blanket fashion as here but a lot do list a large areas where you aren't for instance:

House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975The Advisory Board for the Research Councils. The Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Arbitration Tribunal. An Arbitration Tribunal established under Schedule 3 to the Industry Act 1975. An Area Electricity Board in England and Wales. The Attendance Allowance Board. The Attendance Allowance Board for Northern Ireland. The British Airports Authority. The British Airways Board. The British Board of Agrément. The British Film Fund Agency. The British Gas Corporation. The British National Oil Corporation. The British Railways Board. British Shipbuilders. The British Steel Corporation. British Telecommunications. The British Waterways Board. The Broadcasting Complaints Commission. The Central Arbitration Committee. The Central Electricity Generating Board. The Civil Aviation Authority. The Civil Service Arbitration Tribunal. The Commission for Local Administration in England. The Commission for Local Administration in Wales. The Commission for Local Authority Accounts in Scotland. The Commission for the New Towns. The Commission for Racial Equality. The Commonwealth Development Corporation. The Co-operative Development Agency. The Council of the Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service. The Council on Tribunals. The Covent Garden Market Authority. The Criminal Injuries Compensation Board. The Crofters Commission. The Crown Agents for Oversea Governments and Administrations. The Crown Estate Commissioners. The Development Board for Rural Wales. The Development Commission established under the Development and Road Improvement Funds Act 1909. A Development Corporation within the meaning of the New Towns Act 1981 or the New Towns (Scotland) Act 1968. A Development Council established under the Industrial Organisation and Development Act 1947. The Eggs Authority. The Electricity Council. The Employment Appeal Tribunal. The English Industrial Estates Corporation. The Equal Opportunities Commission. The Equal Opportunities Commission for Northern Ireland. The Fair Employment Agency for Northern Ireland. The Fair Employment Appeals Board. Food from Britain. The Foreign Compensation Commission. The Forestry Commission. The Gaming Board for Great Britain. The General Practice Finance Corporation. The Health and Safety Agency for Northern Ireland. The Health and Safety Commission. The Health and Safety Executive. The Highlands and Islands Development Board. The Home-Grown Cereals Authority. The Housing Corporation. The Immigration Appeal Tribunal. The Independent Broadcasting Authority. An Industrial Court established in Northern Ireland. The Industrial Development Board for Northern Ireland. The Industrial Injuries Advisory Council. The Intervention Board for Agricultural Produce and every committee of the Board performing functions of the Board. A Joint Planning Inquiry Commission constituted under Part III of the Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1972. The Labour Relations Agency. The Land Authority for Wales. The Lands Tribunal. The Lands Tribunal for Northern Ireland. The Lands Tribunal for Scotland. The Law Commission. The Livestock Marketing Commission for Northern Ireland. The Local Government Boundary Commission for England. The Local Government Boundary Commission for Scotland. The Local Government Boundary Commission for Wales. The Manpower Services Commission. The Meat and Livestock Commission. A Medical Appeal Tribunal constituted for the purposes of Part III of the Social Security Act 1975 or Part III of the Social Security (Northern Ireland) Act 1975, including any panel constituted for the purposes of any such Tribunal. A Medical Board or Pneumoconiosis Medical Board constituted for the purposes of Part III of the Social Security Act 1975 or Part III of the Social Security (Northern Ireland) Act 1975, including any panel constituted for the purposes of any such Board. A Medical Practices Committee constituted under section 7 of the National Health Service Act 1977 or section 3 of the National Heath Service (Scotland) Act 1978. The Medicines Commission and any committee established under section 4 of the Medicines Act 1968. A Mental Health Review Tribunal constituted under the Mental Health Act 1959. The Mental Health Review Tribunal for Northern Ireland. The Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland. The Monopolies and Mergers Commission. A National Broadcasting Council. The National Bus Company. The National Coal Board. The National Consumer Council. The National Dock Labour Board. The National Enterprise Board. The National Film Finance Corporation. The National Radiological Protection Board. The National Research Development Corporation. The New Towns Staff Commission. The North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board. The Northern Ireland Economic Council. The Northern Ireland Electricity Service. The Northern Ireland Fishery Harbour Authority. The Northern Ireland Housing Executive. The Northern Ireland Tourist Board. The Occupational Pensions Board. The Parole Board constituted under section 59 of the Criminal Justice Act 1967. The Parole Board for Scotland constituted under section 59 of the Criminal Justice Act 1967. A Pensions Appeal Tribunal. The Performing Right Tribunal. The Pilotage Commission. The Planning Appeals Commission established under Article 88 of the Planning (Northern Ireland) Order 1972. A Planning Inquiry Commission constituted under Part III of the Town and Country Planning Act 1971. A Planning Inquiry Commission constituted under Part III of the Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1972. The Police Complaints Board. The Police Complaints Board for Northern Ireland. The Post Office. The Red Deer Commission. The Restrictive Practices Court. The Review Board for Government Contracts. A Rural Development Board. The Scottish Committee of the Council on Tribunals. The Scottish Development Agency. The Scottish Land Court. The Scottish Law Commission. The Scottish Transport Group. The Sea Fish Industry Authority. The Social Security Advisory Committee. The South of Scotland Electricity Board. The Staff Commission established under section 7 of the Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1979. The Traffic Commissioners for any area (including the commissioner for the Metropolitan Traffic Area). The Transport Tribunal. The Tribunal established under the Prevention of Fraud (Investments) Act 1958. The Tribunal established under Part II of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949. The United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority. The University Grants Committee. A Value Added Tax Tribunal. The Water Appeals Commission for Northern Ireland. The Welsh Development Agency. The Welsh Fourth Channel Authority.

Additional Commissioner of the Commission for Racial Equality. Additional Commissioner of the Equal Opportunities Commission. Adjudicator appointed for the purposes of the Immigration Act 1971. Ambassador or Permanent Representative to an international organisation representing Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom. Assessor of Public Undertakings (Scotland). Assistant Commissioner appointed under Part IV of the Local Government Act 1972. Assistant Commissioner appointed under Part II of the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973. Attorney General of the Duchy of Lancaster. Auditor of the Civil List. Auditor of the Court of Session. Boundary Commissioner or Assistant Boundary Commissioner appointed under Part I or Part II of Schedule 1 to the House of Commons (Redistribution of Seats) Act 1949. Certification officer or assistant certification officer appointed under section 7 of the Employment Protection Act 1975. 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Essentially they ban any companies which might get help from government, any that may have monopoly (bus company, coal for UK, arospace etc) and for good reason; a MP can not be expected to be objective if he has conflict of interest. This kind of massive wall of text would do this or just ban on anyone who has seat in another profit company.

Got you so nothing us stupid as our clause.

My industries have no connection with the government anyway.

[The Jasminia Islands]

Why would it be ridiculous?

Because it's superfluous?

Well take a look at how marvellously the politicians who take unlimited money from companies run America.

[Mishmahig]

I object to your assumption that businessmen do not look out for the interests of the community as a whole.

I also note that this forbids any holder of an office of profit from being a member of the Seima, including middle-class businessmen/women, who own their own businesses.

The problem is that removing clause 35 would leave a huge gap wide open just for exploit by RPers, namely CTALNH and Dragomere. Otherwise, I can just say that Mr. Kozlov owns a huge business himself, and that any attempts to stop him from achieving his goals, whatever they may be, would be countered with "oh, you can't do that; you see, I'm made of money, and my helicopter-equipped team of security guards will prevent you from voting against whatever I want to do.". It's just a measure of precaution. Small business-owners-- ach, that's just collateral. Small sacrifice in comparison to the good that comes out of keeping clause 35.

From an OOC perspective, your objections are valid, and that is why we have the admins, who warn/ban people who do that.

From an IC perspective, you just wrote off every single businessman or woman -- or, if I want to extend the definition to the full extent, every single person who holds a title (and thus an office) that pays them. Which bans a huge portion of the population from ever serving in the Seima.

[CTALNH]

I object to your assumption that businessmen do not look out for the interests of the community as a whole.

I also note that this forbids any holder of an office of profit from being a member of the Seima, including middle-class businessmen/women, who own their own businesses.

The problem is that removing clause 35 would leave a huge gap wide open just for exploit by RPers, namely CTALNH and Dragomere. Otherwise, I can just say that Mr. Kozlov owns a huge business himself, and that any attempts to stop him from achieving his goals, whatever they may be, would be countered with "oh, you can't do that; you see, I'm made of money, and my helicopter-equipped team of security guards will prevent you from voting against whatever I want to do.". It's just a measure of precaution. Small business-owners-- ach, that's just collateral. Small sacrifice in comparison to the good that comes out of keeping clause 35.

I am not the only CEO of a business here.

And what good is gonna come out of this anyway?