NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[Corbins]

Baltonia had many failures, realism was not one of them.

What challenges, precisely, would we face as a rich nation? If we want to be small and thus irrelevant to foreign affairs, yet also be rich, what is the point of playing?

South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and Japan are rich. Well, I suppose Japan isn't irrelevant, but it, as well as the others, are wealthy yet still have domestic issues.

South Korea isn't irrelevant it is a regional powerhouse who will in the coming decades overcome Japan which has been on a constant decline since the 90's.
Singapore is a regional trade power, and not much else given how small it is.
Taiwan is also a regional power only hindered by its lack of recognition.
Japan isn't irrelevant, but soon will be.

[The New World Oceania]

Yeah and look how Baltonia turned out. People did not want and could not stick to the realism.

Baltonia had many failures, realism was not one of them.

What challenges, precisely, would we face as a rich nation? If we want to be small and thus irrelevant to foreign affairs, yet also be rich, what is the point of playing?

realism was not one of them.

[Estva]

Baltonia had many failures, realism was not one of them.

What challenges, precisely, would we face as a rich nation? If we want to be small and thus irrelevant to foreign affairs, yet also be rich, what is the point of playing?

I'm guessing you were not paying much attention here in the early part of the discussion or at the end of Baltonia. It contained loads of annoyance about the realism restrictions. People ended up hating the realism restrictions, you can either except it our stick your head in the sand.

Such as what? What realism restrictions, precisely, did people have a problem with?

The reasons why Baltonia failed was because of the following:

1. The massive centrist coalition dominated politics. Anyone too far left or right from the center had absolutely no opportunity for involvement in the government.
2. Nothing was new. Apart from the location and languages, Baltonia was a spitting image of Aurentina. The first NSGS was so successful because of how new and shiny it was. Baltonia was just a boring repeat.
3. Without any significant events, participation in Baltonia became a boring bill writing and approving process. It became a chore instead of a fun game.

[Estva]

Baltonia had many failures, realism was not one of them.

What challenges, precisely, would we face as a rich nation? If we want to be small and thus irrelevant to foreign affairs, yet also be rich, what is the point of playing?

South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and Japan are rich. Well, I suppose Japan isn't irrelevant, but it, as well as the others, are wealthy yet still have domestic issues.

South Korea - Has problems because of foreign affairs, which everyone apparently doesn't want to touch with a ten foot pole.
Singapore - A unique city-state which won't translate well to NSGS.
Taiwan - Same situation as Korea(also has massive income disparity)
Japan - Not really. Only because of economic problems, and we will have a difficult time replicating them.

[Parhe]

South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and Japan are rich. Well, I suppose Japan isn't irrelevant, but it, as well as the others, are wealthy yet still have domestic issues.

South Korea isn't irrelevant it is a regional powerhouse who will in the coming decades overcome Japan which has been on a constant decline since the 90's.
Singapore is a regional trade power, and not much else given how small it is.
Taiwan is also a regional power only hindered by its lack of recognition.
Japan isn't irrelevant, but soon will be.

To a large extent South Korea is a forgotten nation, speaking as a Korean nationalist. The only reason it has any "power" is because there aren't many nations in the region; its difficult to be more irrelevant than Mongolia or Taiwan with more than twice the population. Despite being a "regional powerhouse" it is usually ignored when talking about military power or territorial disputes in Asia, despite having disputes with China and Japan, except in regards to North Korea.

Regardless, South Korea is on the global scale wealthy but it still deals with domestic issues such as the approaching changes in demographics, dropping fertility, controversy over nuclear energy, grievances against former colonial powers, immigrants, raising tuition, and so on. I feel like those are significant issues that could appear, or variants, in almost any nation.

[Parhe]

South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and Japan are rich. Well, I suppose Japan isn't irrelevant, but it, as well as the others, are wealthy yet still have domestic issues.

South Korea - Has problems because of foreign affairs, which everyone apparently doesn't want to touch with a ten foot pole.
Singapore - A unique city-state which won't translate well to NSGS.
Taiwan - Same situation as Korea(also has massive income disparity)
Japan - Not really. Only because of economic problems, and we will have a difficult time replicating them.

That is hardly the only or top issue of South Korea.

[Geilinor]

3. Without any significant events, participation in Baltonia became a boring bill writing and approving process. It became a chore instead of a fun game.

No significant events? We had a coup d'etat.

[Estva]

3. Without any significant events, participation in Baltonia became a boring bill writing and approving process. It became a chore instead of a fun game.

No significant events? We had a coup d'etat.

It came a little late, and was used primarily to blow away the country as interest had completely died down.

[Estva]

South Korea - Has problems because of foreign affairs, which everyone apparently doesn't want to touch with a ten foot pole.
Singapore - A unique city-state which won't translate well to NSGS.
Taiwan - Same situation as Korea(also has massive income disparity)
Japan - Not really. Only because of economic problems, and we will have a difficult time replicating them.

That is hardly the only or top issue of South Korea.

Name the issues then. Korea's foreign situation is what would make it interesting.

[Parhe]

That is hardly the only or top issue of South Korea.

Name the issues then. Korea's foreign situation is what would make it interesting.

From my post right above the one you quoted.

"Regardless, South Korea is on the global scale wealthy but it still deals with domestic issues such as the approaching changes in demographics, dropping fertility, controversy over nuclear energy, grievances against former colonial powers, immigrants, raising tuition, and so on. I feel like those are significant issues that could appear, or variants, in almost any nation."
As well, there is Korea being courted by China and the US, high household debt, increasing over dependence on China for tourism, the related growing tourism industry, rural flight, constant talks and debates on free trade agreements, Hallyu, rise of internet addiction, rickety economic and education systems, and high suicide rate, particularly for the elderly. South Korea has plenty of issues its government is facing and surveys often show North Korea is usually not the top concern or issue anyway with the people.

[Estva]

"Regardless, South Korea is on the global scale wealthy but it still deals with domestic issues such as the approaching changes in demographics, dropping fertility,

Something we won't be able to deal with until it becomes an actual problem.

controversy over nuclear energy,

Not enough to justify it.

grievances against former colonial powers,

Falls under foreign affairs.

immigrants, raising tuition, and so on.

Both of which apply almost everywhere.

As well, there is Korea being courted by China and the US,

Foreign affairs again.

high household debt,

Also present in many countries.

increasing over dependence on China for tourism, the related growing tourism industry,

Foreign affairs, yet again.

rural flight,

Same problem with the demographic changes.

constant talks and debates on free trade agreements,

Foreign affairs once more.

Hallyu,

Don't know what this is.

rise of internet addiction,

Really not a mass societal problem.

rickety economic and education systems,

Very generic problem.

and high suicide rate,

What exactly could we do to legislate this that doesn't involve a change of Korean culture from the ground up?

South Korea has plenty of issues its government is facing and surveys often show North Korea is usually not the top concern or issue anyway with the people.

It's the biggest issues that differentiates it from most any other country.

[Gothmogs]

Name the issues then. Korea's foreign situation is what would make it interesting.

From my post right above the one you quoted.

"Regardless, South Korea is on the global scale wealthy but it still deals with domestic issues such as the approaching changes in demographics, dropping fertility, controversy over nuclear energy, grievances against former colonial powers, immigrants, raising tuition, and so on. I feel like those are significant issues that could appear, or variants, in almost any nation."
As well, there is Korea being courted by China and the US, high household debt, increasing over dependence on China for tourism, the related growing tourism industry, rural flight, constant talks and debates on free trade agreements, Hallyu, rise of internet addiction, rickety economic and education systems, and high suicide rate, particularly for the elderly. South Korea has plenty of issues its government is facing and surveys often show North Korea is usually not the top concern or issue anyway with the people.

It makes really good movies though. New World was great!

[Kincoboh]

Why are we debating over Korea? Why can't we have a Uruguay-esque nation? We don't need an ultra rich nation to have a fun RP. Middle-income is just fine.

[Estva]

Why are we debating over Korea? Why can't we have a Uruguay-esque nation? We don't need an ultra rich nation to have a fun RP. Middle-income is just fine.

I am fine with Uruguay levels of prosperity, I was disputing the $30,000 GDP per capita proposition.

[The State of Deseret]

Why are we debating over Korea? Why can't we have a Uruguay-esque nation? We don't need an ultra rich nation to have a fun RP. Middle-income is just fine.

I am fine with Uruguay levels of prosperity, I was disputing the $30,000 GDP per capita proposition.

Same here Uruguayan levels seem good.

[Parhe]

Wait, why does it matter if a nation has issues faced in other nations? That was my point, wealthy nations also have issues. That's like asking why we should be a poor nation. What issues will being poor bring that not other poor nations face?

[Estva]

Wait, why does it matter if a nation has issues faced in other nations? That was my point, wealthy nations also have issues. That's like asking why we should be a poor nation. What issues will being poor bring that not other poor nations face?

Well, just for Latin America -

Poverty and income disparity
Paramilitaries
Crime spikes
Weather problems
Development issues
Foreign corporation exploitation
etc.

[Parhe]

Wait, why does it matter if a nation has issues faced in other nations? That was my point, wealthy nations also have issues. That's like asking why we should be a poor nation. What issues will being poor bring that not other poor nations face?

Well, just for Latin America -

Poverty and income disparity
Paramilitaries
Crime spikes
Weather problems
Development issues
Foreign corporation exploitation
etc.

Those are hardly issues faced exclusively by either Latin American or Poor nations except possibly the last one.

[Estva]

Well, just for Latin America -

Poverty and income disparity
Paramilitaries
Crime spikes
Weather problems
Development issues
Foreign corporation exploitation
etc.

Those are hardly issues faced exclusively by either Latin American or Poor nations except possibly the last one.

Poverty and Income Disparity? Only suffered at that level of magnitude in poor nations.
Paramilitaries? Rich nations don't have these as a big threat, at least not right now.
Weather problems? Rich nations of quick and developed response teams.
Development Issues? Yes, it is.

It doesn't have to be Latin American, but it does need to not be rich. I wanted Latin America for its ideological variety.

[Arkolon]

$15k GDP max. It gives us the tax base necessary for essential government functions + basic welfare state. And hey, RPing debt crises could be fun.

[MERIZoC]

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[Imyoji]

$15k GDP max. It gives us the tax base necessary for essential government functions + basic welfare state. And hey, RPing debt crises could be fun.

Right wing Deaths squads and Maoists anyone?

[Mollary]

$15k GDP max. It gives us the tax base necessary for essential government functions + basic welfare state. And hey, RPing debt crises could be fun.

I agree, in fact, can we start with a debt crisis?

[Fortschritte]

$15k GDP max. It gives us the tax base necessary for essential government functions + basic welfare state. And hey, RPing debt crises could be fun.

Right wing Deaths squads and Maoists anyone?

Oh, Jesus, no.