NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[Murkwood]

If we want to be in Latin America where most legislators are white, we can claim to be from Argentina

Actually, I like the idea of an independent Araucania and Patagonia. Mainly because it's fun to say. I'm kidding.

Still, it's a good idea. We could pretend Orélie-Antoine I succeeded, and it's either still a Monarchy or transitioned into a Republic sometime during it's history. That would please the White folks, the supporters of Latin America, Monarchists and Republicans, as well as those who want a set in stone origin. Also, there would be no need to create a new map, as we are taking real territory. And since it was only around from 1860-1862 IRL, it would give us a lot of leeway.

Forget about Vestmark; Put me down for team Araucania and Patagonia!

The territory in question: http://www.araucania.org/image005.jpg

I would be open to changing the name to just "Araucania" or "Patagonia", however.

[Belmaria]

Actually, I like the idea of an independent Araucania and Patagonia. Mainly because it's fun to say. I'm kidding.

Still, it's a good idea. We could pretend Orélie-Antoine I succeeded, and it's either still a Monarchy or transitioned into a Republic sometime during it's history. That would please the White folks, the supporters of Latin America, Monarchists and Republicans, as well as those who want a set in stone origin. Also, there would be no need to create a new map, as we are taking real territory. And since it was only around from 1860-1862 IRL, it would give us a lot of leeway.

Forget about Vestmark; Put me down for team Araucania and Patagonia!

The territory in question: http://www.araucania.org/image005.jpg

I would be open to changing the name to just "Araucania" or "Patagonia", however.

I like how it pleases all the groups. Still, I don't like the idea of taking land from an already existing nation. It's bad form.

[The Liberated Territories]

I would be open to changing the name to just "Araucania" or "Patagonia", however.

I like how it pleases all the groups. Still, I don't like the idea of taking land from an already existing nation. It's bad form.

Agreed. it would most likely have to be an island off the coast of South America, unless someone is good at geography and can attach a peninsula.

[Ravenflight]

Ladies and Gentleman. The right is forming into one party, if we are liberal would ever which to stop them we must stop Belmaria and his new party, I would like to suggest a coalition of all liberal powers at least for a short period of time, we can not let any form of a right government take control.

Crush Conservatives Together my friends!

[Belmaria]

I like how it pleases all the groups. Still, I don't like the idea of taking land from an already existing nation. It's bad form.

Agreed. it would most likely have to be an island off the coast of South America, unless someone is good at geography and can attach a peninsula.

We could always go with Pangea. I mean, sure there would be dinosaurs and all, and we would need a time machine to transport everyone back in time, but I mean come on, DINOSAURS! And it would please everyone because it would literally house all the land known to humankind to date. And we wouldn't be stealing land from any nation. We just need to increase our funding for that secret time machine project we've been working on...

Ladies and Gentleman. The right is forming into one party, if we are liberal would ever which to stop them we must stop Belmaria and his new party, I would like to suggest a coalition of all liberal powers at least for a short period of time, we can not let any form of a right government take control.

Crush Conservatives Together my friends!

You're not butthurt over the fact that I left the Pirate Party, are you?

[Intermountain States]

Ladies and Gentleman. The right is forming into one party, if we are liberal would ever which to stop them we must stop Belmaria and his new party, I would like to suggest a coalition of all liberal powers at least for a short period of time, we can not let any form of a right government take control.

Crush Conservatives Together my friends!

Bel's party consist of centrists, classical liberals, moderate liberals, and conservatives (I would assume maybe christian democrats will appear as well), we're not all conservatives

[Britanno]

We control domestic RP in any shape we want. If we really wanted to, we could RP Nazi regime in New York... Our location should thus be such that it makes foreign relations easy to RP because there is something to do, and admins can RP nation's reactions.

You consider Asia to be an easy place to RP? One of the most complicated places on Earth is easy?

[Great Nepal]

We control domestic RP in any shape we want. If we really wanted to, we could RP Nazi regime in New York... Our location should thus be such that it makes foreign relations easy to RP because there is something to do, and admins can RP nation's reactions.

You consider Asia to be an easy place to RP? One of the most complicated places on Earth is easy?

Easy as in there are immediate foreign and defence choices. We can debate about how we are going to deal with Taliban threat or how we should respond to Chinese interest in the country which could result in influx of funds, we could conceivably RP Chinese government ceasing support after we vote to side with US etc. There isn't such pressing choices in Latin America.

[Arkolon]

Ladies and Gentleman. The right is forming into one party, if we are liberal would ever which to stop them we must stop Belmaria and his new party, I would like to suggest a coalition of all liberal powers at least for a short period of time, we can not let any form of a right government take control.

Crush Conservatives Together my friends!

It's a centre-to-right coalition. Some, if not most, of us will be centrist right-inclined liberals, in the non-American definition of the term.

[Intermountain States]

Ladies and Gentleman. The right is forming into one party, if we are liberal would ever which to stop them we must stop Belmaria and his new party, I would like to suggest a coalition of all liberal powers at least for a short period of time, we can not let any form of a right government take control.

Crush Conservatives Together my friends!

It's a centre-to-right coalition. Some, if not most, of us will be centrist right-inclined liberals, in the non-American definition of the term.

I find Ravenflight calling me conservative quite insulting and wrong. I'm a libertarian, if you're going to insult me, you have to call me a Lolbertarian.

Geez Raven, get it right !

[Ravenflight]

It's a centre-to-right coalition. Some, if not most, of us will be centrist right-inclined liberals, in the non-American definition of the term.

I find Ravenflight calling me conservative quite insulting and wrong. I'm a libertarian, if you're going to insult me, you have to call me a Lolbertarian.

Geez Raven, get it right !

My apologize. Its just party politics. Plus are you a conservatives view on liberationist or a less radical anarchist? Same word different definitions

[Intermountain States]

I find Ravenflight calling me conservative quite insulting and wrong. I'm a libertarian, if you're going to insult me, you have to call me a Lolbertarian.

Geez Raven, get it right !

My apologize. Its just party politics. Plus are you a conservatives view on liberationist or a less radical anarchist? Same word different definitions

I do not follow anarchy, I do support a creation of a state. I'm moderate on social issues but economically I support a free-market capitalistic system (with some regulations)

[Ravenflight]

My apologize. Its just party politics. Plus are you a conservatives view on liberationist or a less radical anarchist? Same word different definitions

I do not follow anarchy, I do support a creation of a state. I'm moderate on social issues but economically I support a free-market capitalistic system (with some regulations)

So the conservative form of libertarianism. Got it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_conservatism

[Britanno]

My apologize. Its just party politics. Plus are you a conservatives view on liberationist or a less radical anarchist? Same word different definitions

The party has no stance on social issues.

I'm very progressive on social issues, as are the majority of the party.

[Belmaria]

My apologize. Its just party politics. Plus are you a conservatives view on liberationist or a less radical anarchist? Same word different definitions

The party has no stance on social issues.

I'm very progressive on social issues, as are the majority of the party.

Indeed. Hell, I used to be a member of Ravenflight's Pirate Party, if that says anything about my social views.

[The Liberated Territories]

I do not follow anarchy, I do support a creation of a state. I'm moderate on social issues but economically I support a free-market capitalistic system (with some regulations)

So the conservative form of libertarianism. Got it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_conservatism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-liber ... rtarianism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Democrat

[Ravenflight]

The party has no stance on social issues.

I'm very progressive on social issues, as are the majority of the party.

Indeed. Hell, I used to be a member of Ravenflight's Pirate Party, if that says anything about my social views.

>.> You tried to turn us right in our economic views. I admit there is a lack of real right wing people on NSG, but we are still different and all I am doing is forming a proper opposition, did you see me crying when you formed your tent party? No? So what am I doing wrong? If anything you should thank me for making an opposition, do you want to steam role?

[Ravenflight]

So the conservative form of libertarianism. Got it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_conservatism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-liber ... rtarianism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Real Libertarianism!
EDIT: FROM WIKI "Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgment.[1][2]"

[The Liberated Territories]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-liber ... rtarianism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Real Libertarianism!

Wikipedia's definition can cover almost any type of libertarian, from anarcho-capitalists and objectivists, to geolibertarians and mutualists, to anarcho-communists and collectivists. It's a fucking huge blanket term.

The American definition, used predominately here, mostly refers to right-wing libertarianism, which is Belmaria, Arkolon, New World, Corenea and I.

[Belmaria]

Indeed. Hell, I used to be a member of Ravenflight's Pirate Party, if that says anything about my social views.

>.> You tried to turn us right in our economic views. I admit there is a lack of real right wing people on NSG, but we are still different and all I am doing is forming a proper opposition, did you see me crying when you formed your tent party? No? So what am I doing wrong? If anything you should thank me for making an opposition, do you want to steam role?

1. I tried to make the party economically centrist, not rightist
2. Who is crying?
3. All we are doing is countering your claim that we are somehow conservative. We're right wing, but that doesn't necessarily mean conservative.

[Ravenflight]

>.> You tried to turn us right in our economic views. I admit there is a lack of real right wing people on NSG, but we are still different and all I am doing is forming a proper opposition, did you see me crying when you formed your tent party? No? So what am I doing wrong? If anything you should thank me for making an opposition, do you want to steam role?

1. I tried to make the party economically centrist, not rightist
2. Who is crying?
3. All we are doing is countering your claim that we are somehow conservative. We're right wing, but that doesn't necessarily mean conservative.

First, we were fine with basic socialism, some business becoming owned by the state
Secondly, No one, its me being British -_-
Thirdly I will TG you the definition of right wing, don't want to "side track"

[Ravenflight]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Real Libertarianism!

Wikipedia's definition can cover almost any type of libertarian, from anarcho-capitalists and objectivists, to geolibertarians and mutualists, to anarcho-communists and collectivists. It's a fucking huge blanket term.

The American definition, used predominately here, mostly refers to right-wing libertarianism, which is Belmaria, Arkolon, New World, Corenea and I.

My point is still, there are two forms and the right wing one is in my opinion conservative

[Belmaria]

1. I tried to make the party economically centrist, not rightist
2. Who is crying?
3. All we are doing is countering your claim that we are somehow conservative. We're right wing, but that doesn't necessarily mean conservative.

First, we were fine with basic socialism, some business becoming owned by the state
Secondly, No one, its me being British -_-
Thirdly I will TG you the definition of right wing, don't want to "side track"

You're taking this too personally. Seriously, all I am doing is forming an opposing political party. Based on the telegrams you have sent me, you're letting your emotions blind you. I never meant any personal offense by any of my actions, and if you interpreted it in that fashion, let me personally apologize.

[Ravenflight]

First, we were fine with basic socialism, some business becoming owned by the state
Secondly, No one, its me being British -_-
Thirdly I will TG you the definition of right wing, don't want to "side track"

You're taking this too personally. Seriously, all I am doing is forming an opposing political party. Based on the telegrams you have sent me, you're letting your emotions blind you. I never meant any personal offense by any of my actions, and if you interpreted it in that fashion, let me personally apologize.

Your literally using my own argument against me. I'm not taking this personally, but I will if you bring my personal comments to you into this

[Dejanic]

Gonna be frank here, these extremely moderate soft-right "progressive conservative parties" always flop when it comes to the NSG senate. More hard-right parties like reform which can unite many sectors of the right have generally been more successful.