NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[Arkolon]

Am I missing something here? Multi-member districts? What happened to everyone having his own district? MMDs will make drawing a map into pure hell.

Each member has their own constituency, as has always been the case. Districts will contain multiple constituencies.

The purpose they serve being?

[Belmaria]

What'd I miss?

Lots of bickering, mainly.

[The Nihilistic view]

Each member has their own constituency, as has always been the case. Districts will contain multiple constituencies.

So how does that work? Is it like the US House where every member has a distinct area he/she represents or like the US Senate where there are two members for each state?

I do not support the latter; it will cause unnecessary difficulties in drawing the map and won't really enhance the RP at all as far as I can see. Plus, members always seemed to like having a small piece of land in Aurentina that was theirs and marked in their color on the map. That would be lost in a multi-member district.

It's an electoral college basically. So the chance is the winner of our elections might not have the most votes overall.

[Corbins]

What'd I miss?

Lots of bickering, mainly.

#NSG

[Belmaria]

So how does that work? Is it like the US House where every member has a distinct area he/she represents or like the US Senate where there are two members for each state?

I do not support the latter; it will cause unnecessary difficulties in drawing the map and won't really enhance the RP at all as far as I can see. Plus, members always seemed to like having a small piece of land in Aurentina that was theirs and marked in their color on the map. That would be lost in a multi-member district.

It's an electoral college basically. So the chance is the winner of our elections might not have the most votes overall.

Political elitism ftw

[Arkolon]

Just throwing ideas around here, but what if we took the role as a small nation-state à la San Marino, Monaco, Lichtenstein? Small enough to be unimportant, located conveniently enough to have the culture we could want, and the sheer strength of the EEA and EU around us would mean we get unofficial access to the Euro and the internal market.

[The Liberated Territories]

Just throwing ideas around here, but what if we took the role as a small nation-state à la San Marino, Monaco, Lichtenstein? Small enough to be unimportant, located conveniently enough to have the culture we could want, and the sheer strength of the EEA and EU around us would mean we get unofficial access to the Euro and the internal market.

ew no

[Arkolon]

Just throwing ideas around here, but what if we took the role as a small nation-state à la San Marino, Monaco, Lichtenstein? Small enough to be unimportant, located conveniently enough to have the culture we could want, and the sheer strength of the EEA and EU around us would mean we get unofficial access to the Euro and the internal market.

ew no

Our own currency for half a million people whilst landlocked on the European continent? That's ew. We could just usurp a slightly larger chunk of land in the same spirit, say, part of Savoy or Venetia/Lombardy, thrown in with funkier and creative bordercrafting. Italy didn't usurp Venetia into itself until five years after the unification of Italy, so it's sort of plausible, right?

[The Union of the West]

Am I missing something here? Multi-member districts? What happened to everyone having his own district? MMDs will make drawing a map into pure hell.

Each member has their own constituency, as has always been the case. Districts will contain multiple constituencies.

Ahhh, suddenly it all makes sense.

[The Liberated Territories]

ew no

Our own currency for half a million people whilst landlocked on the European continent? That's ew. We could just usurp a slightly larger chunk of land in the same spirit, say, part of Savoy or Venetia/Lombardy, thrown in with funkier and creative bordercrafting. Italy didn't usurp Venetia into itself until five years after the unification of Italy, so it's sort of plausible, right?

Or be left hostage to a highly unstable fiat currency that has wrecked the Mediterranean?

Perhaps on a utilitarian basis, yes, but I'd wager for economic independence down the road. That's plausible.

[Belmaria]

Our own currency for half a million people whilst landlocked on the European continent? That's ew. We could just usurp a slightly larger chunk of land in the same spirit, say, part of Savoy or Venetia/Lombardy, thrown in with funkier and creative bordercrafting. Italy didn't usurp Venetia into itself until five years after the unification of Italy, so it's sort of plausible, right?

Or be left hostage to a highly unstable fiat currency that has wrecked the Mediterranean?

Perhaps on a utilitarian basis, yes, but I'd wager for economic independence down the road. That's plausible.

I firmly agree. The Euro is bad for stability and bad for independence.

[New Bierstaat]

So how does that work? Is it like the US House where every member has a distinct area he/she represents or like the US Senate where there are two members for each state?

I do not support the latter; it will cause unnecessary difficulties in drawing the map and won't really enhance the RP at all as far as I can see. Plus, members always seemed to like having a small piece of land in Aurentina that was theirs and marked in their color on the map. That would be lost in a multi-member district.

It's an electoral college basically. So the chance is the winner of our elections might not have the most votes overall.

So does each senator have his own area of land to represent, or do they share?

[The Nihilistic view]

It's an electoral college basically. So the chance is the winner of our elections might not have the most votes overall.

So does each senator have his own area of land to represent, or do they share?

I presume we would have our own constituency.

[Great Nepal]

Information on which constituencies are in which district are public.

And player is supposed to look through that long list, then at constituency map to find who is in what constituency...

People who don't vote aren't counted in the citing of their district's vote. If we wouldn't count it in an at-large election, it wouldn't be counted in the district majority.

Not really my point, players still need to know how their district mates voted (and how they did) to be content with bill being defeated with 55 votes for and 30 against at-large elections.

Random number generator is a likely option.

That makes no sense, why would random number rather than shared values be used to determine districts?

A vote reads:

I vote Boris Johnson for Glorious Adviser.
Constituency 92/District 2

So additional work for end user... aim should be to reduce that not increase it.

Have you considered making more constituencies

Which people loose their influence when that happens? How is it determined?

I still am not seeing how this is anything but more complicated and worse than weighted vote system.

[Maklohi Vai]

Drop the nastiness or I'll start warning for flaming. This is a general announcement.

[Finium]

Drop the nastiness or I'll start warning for flaming. This is a general announcement.

*drops a nasty beat*

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Or be left hostage to a highly unstable fiat currency that has wrecked the Mediterranean?

Perhaps on a utilitarian basis, yes, but I'd wager for economic independence down the road. That's plausible.

I firmly agree. The Euro is bad for stability and bad for independence.

And on what economic indicators do you base that the Euro is bad for Stability?
On Greece and its problems? Most countries in the Mediterranean area you talk about are Spain, Italy and Greece. Their problems are not tied to the Euro. They are tied from the Fiscal policy of their governments. Which is the reason why things went downhill for them. Not the Euro.
About the stability it brings i will tell you that most of the countries in the Balkan that is part of the Mediterranean have been Dollarized. It has helped a lot in their stability and in the consumer confidence.
Not to mention independence. The euro only touches in a concept that is called the Monetary Policy. Noting else about independence.

[The Nihilistic view]

I firmly agree. The Euro is bad for stability and bad for independence.

And on what economic indicators do you base that the Euro is bad for Stability?
On Greece and its problems? Most countries in the Mediterranean area you talk about are Spain, Italy and Greece. Their problems are not tied to the Euro. They are tied from the Fiscal policy of their governments. Which is the reason why things went downhill for them. Not the Euro.
About the stability it brings i will tell you that most of the countries in the Balkan that is part of the Mediterranean have been Dollarized. It has helped a lot in their stability and in the consumer confidence.
Not to mention independence. The euro only touches in a concept that is called the Monetary Policy. Noting else about independence.

The point is having the Euro meant that they could not use monetary policy to get out of the trouble. That made the troubles a number of times worse than they would have been.

[The Orson Empire]

Drop the nastiness or I'll start warning for flaming. This is a general announcement.

If you guys can't cooperate, then what is the point of doing this? The NSG Senate is supposed to be fun and interesting, and yet all you guys are doing is bickering.

I have been meaning to say this for some time now, as the atmosphere in these threads seems really bad.

[Gothmogs]

Drop the nastiness or I'll start warning for flaming. This is a general announcement.

If you guys can't cooperate, then what is the point of doing this? The NSG Senate is supposed to be fun and interesting, and yet all you guys are doing is bickering.

I have been meaning to say this for some time now, as the atmosphere in these threads seems really bad.

On the surface it may look like we hate each other, but in reality we just have strong opinions that we do our best to push across, and sometimes get salty when others don't seem to grasp them. We really are all good at the end of the day. At least I am...

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

And on what economic indicators do you base that the Euro is bad for Stability?
On Greece and its problems? Most countries in the Mediterranean area you talk about are Spain, Italy and Greece. Their problems are not tied to the Euro. They are tied from the Fiscal policy of their governments. Which is the reason why things went downhill for them. Not the Euro.
About the stability it brings i will tell you that most of the countries in the Balkan that is part of the Mediterranean have been Dollarized. It has helped a lot in their stability and in the consumer confidence.
Not to mention independence. The euro only touches in a concept that is called the Monetary Policy. Noting else about independence.

The point is having the Euro meant that they could not use monetary policy to get out of the trouble. That made the troubles a number of times worse than they would have been.

Monetary policy would not have saved that trouble. It would have created smoother sailing now. The ECB is now doing the same thing that the FED was doing. If the euro did not exist then greece would not have been saved the way it was saved. It would have had to declare bankruptcy whit all the nasty things that would have brought.

[The Orson Empire]

If you guys can't cooperate, then what is the point of doing this? The NSG Senate is supposed to be fun and interesting, and yet all you guys are doing is bickering.

I have been meaning to say this for some time now, as the atmosphere in these threads seems really bad.

On the surface it may look like we hate each other, but in reality we just have strong opinions that we do our best to push across, and sometimes get salty when others don't seem to grasp them. We really are all good at the end of the day. At least I am...

I sure hope so, because I don't want to see this crash and burn just because you guys can't cooperate.

[Belmaria]

Come one, come all, to the Republican Reform Party! We are a centre-right big tent party with an established platform and broad membership! As the largest party currently in the works, if you are looking for a solid home for yourself in the coming senate RP, the Republican Reform Party is your best choice!

FISCAL POLICY
Our party believes in a balanced, reasonable approach to fiscal policy by supporting sound and efficient allocation of taxpayer funds, and a reasonable level of taxation that does not rip the shirts off the backs of our citizens. We also support moderate regulation of industry, but prefer market solutions to problems when they are available. We recognise the importance of the commercial backbone of this country, and believe that we should try to make the business climate as friendly as possible for the industrial growth of our nation.

FOREIGN POLICY
Our party favours peace over war, and prefers to make friends with other nations before becoming enemies with them. However, if a foreign power were to take aggressive actions against our great nation, we would wholly support any effort to defend ourselves and the fine people of our country. We value our military, and are faithful to our allies.

SOCIAL POLICY
As a party, we believe in the sovereignty of every individual, so long as it does not trump the common good of all. While we are secular in nature, we are not totally unopposed to progressive stances on various issues. At the same time, we understand the controversial nature of many social issues. As such, we leave these policies up to our members and our representatives, enforcing no strict consensus onto them.

EDUCATION AND HEALTHCARE POLICY
Our party is very proud of our nation’s public education and healthcare systems, and hopes to offer our people the best education and the best healthcare for free. However, simultaneously, we understand the benefits of private education and private healthcare, and wish to offer the nation’s people a choice between public and private services. This type of opportunity for individuals to choose the best option that fits their needs makes our public services more competitive in the face of private establishments, and allows us to maintain a safe, practical, and highly-performing public services system.

CRIME AND JUSTICE POLICY
As a party, we believe in the concept of justice wholeheartedly. As such, we support the allocation of adequate funding to our police service in order to provide them with the tools that they need to help keep us safe. Simultaneously, however, we also believe in accountability. Therefore, we strongly support civil liberties, as well as transparency in our police service. For minor delinquencies, we value rehabilitation over punishment, but we are confident in our stance that very harsh crimes deserve very harsh penalties.

ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY
We believe that the environment is important. Therefore, our party supports reasonable environmental regulation that protects the people against pollution and “broken cycles” caused by the extinction of a species. However, we believe very strongly that the needs of the economy should be considered equally important as the needs of the environment, and that an equilibrium should be reached in terms of our nation’s environmental policies. We are also a pro-nuclear and thorium party, as nuclear power, and thorium-based nuclear power in particular, is much more cost effective than Wind and Solar energies, without all the pollution associated with fossil fuels. Thorium is an especially fruitful form of energy production, as there is almost zero risk of a nuclear meltdown, unlike traditional uranium/plutonium-based energy production designs.

• Belmaria (Chairman)
• Arkolon (Deputy Chairman)
• New Zepuha (Honorable Member)
• Finium (Political Affairs Director)
• Zurkerx (Chief Recruiter)
• The Liberated Territories (Party Treasurer)
• Union of the West (Valued Member)
• The Stern Archipelago (Valued Member)

[Great Nepal]

Come one, come all, to the Republican Reform Party! We are a centre-right big tent party with an established platform and broad membership! As the largest party currently in the works, if you are looking for a solid home for yourself in the coming senate RP, the Republican Reform Party is your best choice!

FISCAL POLICY
Our party believes in a balanced, reasonable approach to fiscal policy by supporting sound and efficient allocation of taxpayer funds, and a reasonable level of taxation that does not rip the shirts off the backs of our citizens. We also support moderate regulation of industry, but prefer market solutions to problems when they are available. We recognise the importance of the commercial backbone of this country, and believe that we should try to make the business climate as friendly as possible for the industrial growth of our nation.

FOREIGN POLICY
Our party favours peace over war, and prefers to make friends with other nations before becoming enemies with them. However, if a foreign power were to take aggressive actions against our great nation, we would wholly support any effort to defend ourselves and the fine people of our country. We value our military, and are faithful to our allies.

SOCIAL POLICY
As a party, we believe in the sovereignty of every individual, so long as it does not trump the common good of all. While we are secular in nature, we are not totally unopposed to progressive stances on various issues. At the same time, we understand the controversial nature of many social issues. As such, we leave these policies up to our members and our representatives, enforcing no strict consensus onto them.

EDUCATION AND HEALTHCARE POLICY
Our party is very proud of our nation’s public education and healthcare systems, and hopes to offer our people the best education and the best healthcare for free. However, simultaneously, we understand the benefits of private education and private healthcare, and wish to offer the nation’s people a choice between public and private services. This type of opportunity for individuals to choose the best option that fits their needs makes our public services more competitive in the face of private establishments, and allows us to maintain a safe, practical, and highly-performing public services system.

CRIME AND JUSTICE POLICY
As a party, we believe in the concept of justice wholeheartedly. As such, we support the allocation of adequate funding to our police service in order to provide them with the tools that they need to help keep us safe. Simultaneously, however, we also believe in accountability. Therefore, we strongly support civil liberties, as well as transparency in our police service. For minor delinquencies, we value rehabilitation over punishment, but we are confident in our stance that very harsh crimes deserve very harsh penalties.

ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY
We believe that the environment is important. Therefore, our party supports reasonable environmental regulation that protects the people against pollution and “broken cycles” caused by the extinction of a species. However, we believe very strongly that the needs of the economy should be considered equally important as the needs of the environment, and that an equilibrium should be reached in terms of our nation’s environmental policies. We are also a pro-nuclear and thorium party, as nuclear power, and thorium-based nuclear power in particular, is much more cost effective than Wind and Solar energies, without all the pollution associated with fossil fuels. Thorium is an especially fruitful form of energy production, as there is almost zero risk of a nuclear meltdown, unlike traditional uranium/plutonium-based energy production designs.

• Belmaria (Chairman)
• Arkolon (Deputy Chairman)
• New Zepuha (Honorable Member)
• Finium (Political Affairs Director)
• Zurkerx (Chief Recruiter)
• The Liberated Territories (Party Treasurer)
• Union of the West (Valued Member)
• The Stern Archipelago (Valued Member)

..that sounds quite sensible, sign me up...

[Beta Test]

Come one, come all, to the Republican Reform Party! We are a centre-right big tent party with an established platform and broad membership! As the largest party currently in the works, if you are looking for a solid home for yourself in the coming senate RP, the Republican Reform Party is your best choice!

FISCAL POLICY
Our party believes in a balanced, reasonable approach to fiscal policy by supporting sound and efficient allocation of taxpayer funds, and a reasonable level of taxation that does not rip the shirts off the backs of our citizens. We also support moderate regulation of industry, but prefer market solutions to problems when they are available. We recognise the importance of the commercial backbone of this country, and believe that we should try to make the business climate as friendly as possible for the industrial growth of our nation.

FOREIGN POLICY
Our party favours peace over war, and prefers to make friends with other nations before becoming enemies with them. However, if a foreign power were to take aggressive actions against our great nation, we would wholly support any effort to defend ourselves and the fine people of our country. We value our military, and are faithful to our allies.

SOCIAL POLICY
As a party, we believe in the sovereignty of every individual, so long as it does not trump the common good of all. While we are secular in nature, we are not totally unopposed to progressive stances on various issues. At the same time, we understand the controversial nature of many social issues. As such, we leave these policies up to our members and our representatives, enforcing no strict consensus onto them.

EDUCATION AND HEALTHCARE POLICY
Our party is very proud of our nation’s public education and healthcare systems, and hopes to offer our people the best education and the best healthcare for free. However, simultaneously, we understand the benefits of private education and private healthcare, and wish to offer the nation’s people a choice between public and private services. This type of opportunity for individuals to choose the best option that fits their needs makes our public services more competitive in the face of private establishments, and allows us to maintain a safe, practical, and highly-performing public services system.

CRIME AND JUSTICE POLICY
As a party, we believe in the concept of justice wholeheartedly. As such, we support the allocation of adequate funding to our police service in order to provide them with the tools that they need to help keep us safe. Simultaneously, however, we also believe in accountability. Therefore, we strongly support civil liberties, as well as transparency in our police service. For minor delinquencies, we value rehabilitation over punishment, but we are confident in our stance that very harsh crimes deserve very harsh penalties.

ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY
We believe that the environment is important. Therefore, our party supports reasonable environmental regulation that protects the people against pollution and “broken cycles” caused by the extinction of a species. However, we believe very strongly that the needs of the economy should be considered equally important as the needs of the environment, and that an equilibrium should be reached in terms of our nation’s environmental policies. We are also a pro-nuclear and thorium party, as nuclear power, and thorium-based nuclear power in particular, is much more cost effective than Wind and Solar energies, without all the pollution associated with fossil fuels. Thorium is an especially fruitful form of energy production, as there is almost zero risk of a nuclear meltdown, unlike traditional uranium/plutonium-based energy production designs.

• Belmaria (Chairman)
• Arkolon (Deputy Chairman)
• New Zepuha (Honorable Member)
• Finium (Political Affairs Director)
• Zurkerx (Chief Recruiter)
• The Liberated Territories (Party Treasurer)
• Union of the West (Valued Member)
• The Stern Archipelago (Valued Member)

I like the sound of this. I'm not sold on the name, for some reason.