NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[The Union of the West]

There is no senate.

There will be. I haven't given up yet.

Back in early August (can't believe time went by that quick) we supposed that the senate reboot would happen as early as September 18th - that's in ten days!

IMO, I stick by the maxim "if you build it, they will come," and believe that the best form of advertisement would be to actually start laying down the threads.

I agree, but others might not. It could be argued that you will need more active members to build the Senate.

[The New World Oceania]

There is no senate.

There will be. I haven't given up yet.

Back in early August (can't believe time went by that quick) we supposed that the senate reboot would happen as early as September 18th - that's in ten days!

IMO, I stick by the maxim "if you build it, they will come," and believe that the best form of advertisement would be to actually start laying down the threads.

I agree, but others might not. It could be argued that you will need more active members to build the Senate.

Well, we'll give it the ten days, then. But let us not discount the other strategies. I commend Brit for his work on the dispatch hence far, and may we soon get out telegrams, no matter to whom, no matter how vague or how pleading or how formatted, but their existence confirms duly. And in that time will time tell our intentions, and only our intentions will ever tell time.

[The Liberated Territories]

There will be. I haven't given up yet.



I agree, but others might not. It could be argued that you will need more active members to build the Senate.

Well, we'll give it the ten days, then. But let us not discount the other strategies. I commend Brit for his work on the dispatch hence far, and may we soon get out telegrams, no matter to whom, no matter how vague or how pleading or how formatted, but their existence confirms duly. And in that time will time tell our intentions, and only our intentions will ever tell time.

*wipes tear from eye*

it's beautiful...

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

Well, I want to reboot to a tropical Caribbean island, do you like that?

Stop promoting Adrius ad nauseam. It's utter spam.

Considering that he asked for a tropical pacific island, a tropical Caribbean island seems similar, so I wanting to see his views.

There is no senate.

Back in early August (can't believe time went by that quick) we supposed that the senate reboot would happen as early as September 18th - that's in ten days!

IMO, I stick by the maxim "if you build it, they will come," and believe that the best form of advertisement would be to actually start laying down the threads.

I definitely think that's a good idea. However, if we're going to reboot, we need to decide what country we're going to use, either Adrius, Aurentina Nova, Blank Slate, the UN 'Compromise' (you don't know how much I dislike this idea, sorry New World Oceania), or Vestmark

[Maklohi Vai]

Kamchastkia, you are hereby WARNED for spam. You have been placed on warning level Green.

Note: This decision is that solely of the NSG Senate Administrators and does not reflect the opinion of the NS Moderators. This decision has no effect outside of the threads in F7 OP'd by the Admin account.

[The New World Oceania]

I definitely think that's a good idea. However, if we're going to reboot, we need to decide what country we're going to use, either Adrius, Aurentina Nova, Blank Slate, the UN 'Compromise' (you don't know how much I dislike this idea, sorry New World Oceania), or Vestmark

To each his own.

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

I definitely think that's a good idea. However, if we're going to reboot, we need to decide what country we're going to use, either Adrius, Aurentina Nova, Blank Slate, the UN 'Compromise' (you don't know how much I dislike this idea, sorry New World Oceania), or Vestmark

To each his own.

I'm fine with that, tough I also think we really should decide on an idea.

[Glasgia]

Stop promoting Adrius ad nauseam. It's utter spam.

Considering that he asked for a tropical pacific island, a tropical Caribbean island seems similar, so I wanting to see his views.

There is no senate.

Back in early August (can't believe time went by that quick) we supposed that the senate reboot would happen as early as September 18th - that's in ten days!

IMO, I stick by the maxim "if you build it, they will come," and believe that the best form of advertisement would be to actually start laying down the threads.

I definitely think that's a good idea. However, if we're going to reboot, we need to decide what country we're going to use, either Adrius, Aurentina Nova, Blank Slate, the UN 'Compromise' (you don't know how much I dislike this idea, sorry New World Oceania), or Vestmark

Blank slate allows for the possibility of all the options listed above and is therefore the fairest choice, asides from my own belief that it would be the best choice.

[Great Nepal]

Blank slate allows for the possibility of all the options listed above and is therefore the fairest choice, asides from my own belief that it would be the best choice.

It also allows for utter chaos as we have no idea regarding the world that we are RPing in.

[The New World Oceania]

Considering that he asked for a tropical pacific island, a tropical Caribbean island seems similar, so I wanting to see his views.


I definitely think that's a good idea. However, if we're going to reboot, we need to decide what country we're going to use, either Adrius, Aurentina Nova, Blank Slate, the UN 'Compromise' (you don't know how much I dislike this idea, sorry New World Oceania), or Vestmark

Blank slate allows for the possibility of all the options listed above and is therefore the fairest choice, asides from my own belief that it would be the best choice.

This is entirely true, but whose to say the audience won't be inadvertently swayed away from the above ideas in establishing the Blank Slate as a result of their former planning?

The BS would have my full support, and I'm not calling it BS or anything, but the aforementioned systems are all predicted with substantial arguments that they can succeed like the other incarnations did not. Adrius and Vestmark feature new environments to gauge interest in roleplaying, and Aurentina has been proven to work well in the past, and the UN presents a new structure and more crises than other concepts. The Blank Slate cannot guarantee to offer any of these, only tout the potential for some of them.

[The Nihilistic view]

Blank slate allows for the possibility of all the options listed above and is therefore the fairest choice, asides from my own belief that it would be the best choice.

It also allows for utter chaos as we have no idea regarding the world that we are RPing in.

Which is the fun. We're just making it up as we go along.

[Glasgia]

Blank slate allows for the possibility of all the options listed above and is therefore the fairest choice, asides from my own belief that it would be the best choice.

It also allows for utter chaos as we have no idea regarding the world that we are RPing in.

Just like Aurentina.

Blank slate allows for the possibility of all the options listed above and is therefore the fairest choice, asides from my own belief that it would be the best choice.

This is entirely true, but whose to say the audience won't be inadvertently swayed away from the above ideas in establishing the Blank Slate as a result of their former planning?

The BS would have my full support, and I'm not calling it BS or anything, but the aforementioned systems are all predicted with substantial arguments that they can succeed like the other incarnations did not. Adrius and Vestmark feature new environments to gauge interest in roleplaying, and Aurentina has been proven to work well in the past, and the UN presents a new structure and more crises than other concepts. The Blank Slate cannot guarantee to offer any of these, only tout the potential for some of them.

Aurentina didn't work because it was Aurentina. Aurentina worked because we made it Aurentina. It's not the Senate that attracts people, it's not even the Mafia or the terrorism - It's the chance to create and shape a nation. That's why Aurentina grew at such a staggering rate. It was, in all essence, a blank slate for newcomers to make their mark on. Sure, not many then hung around but we retained enough of the initial burst to provide for a long-lasting RP that sustained itself over nearly eighteen months.

[The New World Oceania]

It also allows for utter chaos as we have no idea regarding the world that we are RPing in.

Just like Aurentina.

This is entirely true, but whose to say the audience won't be inadvertently swayed away from the above ideas in establishing the Blank Slate as a result of their former planning?

The BS would have my full support, and I'm not calling it BS or anything, but the aforementioned systems are all predicted with substantial arguments that they can succeed like the other incarnations did not. Adrius and Vestmark feature new environments to gauge interest in roleplaying, and Aurentina has been proven to work well in the past, and the UN presents a new structure and more crises than other concepts. The Blank Slate cannot guarantee to offer any of these, only tout the potential for some of them.

Aurentina didn't work because it was Aurentina. Aurentina worked because we made it Aurentina. It's not the Senate that attracts people, it's not even the Mafia or the terrorism - It's the chance to create and shape a nation. That's why Aurentina grew at such a staggering rate. It was, in all essence, a blank slate for newcomers to make their mark on. Sure, not many then hung around but we retained enough of the initial burst to provide for a long-lasting RP that sustained itself over nearly eighteen months.

Evidence? We've had two nations, one which went well and died and one which went alright and died. These are some brash assumptions to be made when only one case has existed in which a Blank Slate, which I emphasize was used under entirely different circumstances, worked well.

[Britanno]

Baltonia didn't do "alright", it was a disaster. The excitement lasted for no more than two weeks. Aurentina lasted for well over a year. The difference between them was that in one we created and played a nation, and in the other we played a nation.

[The New World Oceania]

Compared to Aurentina, Baltonia was a disaster. But if you managed to do that out of nowhere, it would have very much been considered alright. Similar roleplays had failed miserably from an absolute perspective: compared to Aurentina they would have been effectively non-existent.

[Great Nepal]

Aurentina didn't work because it was Aurentina. Aurentina worked because we made it Aurentina. It's not the Senate that attracts people, it's not even the Mafia or the terrorism - It's the chance to create and shape a nation. That's why Aurentina grew at such a staggering rate. It was, in all essence, a blank slate for newcomers to make their mark on. Sure, not many then hung around but we retained enough of the initial burst to provide for a long-lasting RP that sustained itself over nearly eighteen months.

Then that can be done in long OOC planning thread before starting the RP. You dont start an RP with no setting, no backstory and hope it all works out because even if it does it wont make slightest bit of sense. What black slate is purposing is akin to starting a RP with OP which states "this is set in the past in a planet. Now lets go RP!"

It also allows for utter chaos as we have no idea regarding the world that we are RPing in.

Which is the fun. We're just making it up as we go along.

No, it creates a cannon which makes little sense. You can not possibly RP politics when you have no clue who it is effecting or the background it is being built on.

[The Nihilistic view]

Aurentina didn't work because it was Aurentina. Aurentina worked because we made it Aurentina. It's not the Senate that attracts people, it's not even the Mafia or the terrorism - It's the chance to create and shape a nation. That's why Aurentina grew at such a staggering rate. It was, in all essence, a blank slate for newcomers to make their mark on. Sure, not many then hung around but we retained enough of the initial burst to provide for a long-lasting RP that sustained itself over nearly eighteen months.

Then that can be done in long OOC planning thread before starting the RP. You dont start an RP with no setting, no backstory and hope it all works out because even if it does it wont make slightest bit of sense. What black slate is purposing is akin to starting a RP with OP which states "this is set in the past in a planet. Now lets go RP!"

Which is the fun. We're just making it up as we go along.

No, it creates a cannon which makes little sense. You can not possibly RP politics when you have no clue who it is effecting or the background it is being built on.

We don't give a shit about an ordered scripted straight jacket. If you want that go and make your own RP, we tried that with your input on Baltshitia and it failed fucking miserably.

It's perfectly possible to start with no idea where it's going. That's Aurentina and you just so happened to be one of a few who did not like it. Deal with it.

[Great Nepal]

We don't give a shit about an ordered scripted straight jacket. If you want that go and make your own RP, we tried that with your input on Baltshitia and it failed fucking miserably.

It's perfectly possible to start with no idea where it's going. That's Aurentina and you just so happened to be one of a few who did not like it. Deal with it.

If Arutinia worked so well, why dont you go back to it... oh wait you can't because it was unsustainable mess that required complete suspension of disbelief.
Her's P2TM and here's II, and I am going to guarantee that there is not one successful thread that started IC without having set background, mechanism and story. Here are three awesome (and successful) RP's from P2TM, guess what they all have in common: Postapocalyptia, Doctor Who and Elfen High, here's a hint they did not start out IC first and make stuff up as they went on. But you know feel free to reinvent the wheel by trying what countless failed RP's with one liner OP have.

[Glasgia]

Aurentina didn't work because it was Aurentina. Aurentina worked because we made it Aurentina. It's not the Senate that attracts people, it's not even the Mafia or the terrorism - It's the chance to create and shape a nation. That's why Aurentina grew at such a staggering rate. It was, in all essence, a blank slate for newcomers to make their mark on. Sure, not many then hung around but we retained enough of the initial burst to provide for a long-lasting RP that sustained itself over nearly eighteen months.

Then that can be done in long OOC planning thread before starting the RP. You dont start an RP with no setting, no backstory and hope it all works out because even if it does it wont make slightest bit of sense. What black slate is purposing is akin to starting a RP with OP which states "this is set in the past in a planet. Now lets go RP!"

Apart from, we're not. We're allowing RP to flourish around a basic structure, that of the senate, and from there we can encourage the very creativity and excitement that will attract players. What you are suggesting is exactly what we tried with Baltonia and, guess what? It failed to attract any interest, it floundered, it flopped and it died.

Our RP is not a normal RP. Heck, it's often not even RP - The G in NSG Senate is there for a reason. We've already re-invented the wheel and our first prototype was a successful - It was a fucking hoverboard. We tried to reinvent it again but we ended up with a horse and cart - a success by most standards, but not when everyone remembered how they used to have motherfucking hoverboards. Let's hop back onto those boards and give this a second shot by doing what worked - Not what hasn't.

[CTALNH]

Whatever new country we pick is should have at least:

Its history ready
Population statistic


All else should be a blank slate even the law itself should be a blank slate.Hell a minor civil war would be good (OOCly already decided ofcourse before the RP begun so us to make the country feel alive).

So too should there be events created by the Senate administration where they be coup de etats or economic crisis or civil unrest or war with another country would make people get invested.

[The Liberated Territories]

Whatever new country we pick is should have at least:

Its history ready
Population statistic


All else should be a blank slate even the law itself should be a blank slate.Hell a minor civil war would be good (OOCly already decided ofcourse before the RP begun so us to make the country feel alive).

So too should there be events created by the Senate administration where they be coup de etats or economic crisis or civil unrest or war with another country would make people get invested.

I have a partial history ready for Vestmark and a population of 28 million. Not sure when Angleter is going to fulfill those duties. grgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrg

[The New World Oceania]

Let's go over why Baltonia failed: we decided on policy beforehand. That's it. It revoked our ability to debate what we wanted, roleplay what we agreed with, or roleplay extremes, or roleplay ideologies never heard of. It didn't have to do with making a map or choosing a name. We set the politics, and that caused problems. It was rooted in realism.

It was not rooted in failing to build it from scratch. And Aurentina was not necessarily successful as a result of being built from the bottom up. Perhaps, and that is perhaps, it was at one point. You cannot affirm that it will be again. What you can do is learn from your mistakes. Baltonia's narrow political spectrum was a mistake. Aurentina's standstill after every relevant law could be passed was a mistake. Don't come up sigh alternative mistakes to be made this time; do something to stop them from recurring.

[The Nihilistic view]

We don't give a shit about an ordered scripted straight jacket. If you want that go and make your own RP, we tried that with your input on Baltshitia and it failed fucking miserably.

It's perfectly possible to start with no idea where it's going. That's Aurentina and you just so happened to be one of a few who did not like it. Deal with it.

If Arutinia worked so well, why dont you go back to it... oh wait you can't because it was unsustainable mess that required complete suspension of disbelief.
Her's P2TM and here's II, and I am going to guarantee that there is not one successful thread that started IC without having set background, mechanism and story. Here are three awesome (and successful) RP's from P2TM, guess what they all have in common: Postapocalyptia, Doctor Who and Elfen High, here's a hint they did not start out IC first and make stuff up as they went on. But you know feel free to reinvent the wheel by trying what countless failed RP's with one liner OP have.

Well it seems like you were the only person unable to cope with Aurentina. Why do you need everything compartmentalised and catagorised? You seem to have a real struggle with anything requiring impromptu actions.

Yeah, follow the same sort of idea of that failed RP that was Aurentina. 18 months of RP was it? Much disaster, many failings.

I think what we have found is you have totally misunderstood what the senate is and was from the start. It's not an RP in the classic P2TM mold. It is something very very different. You are trying to force the senate into a structure you understand and can deal with, but following a script is not why the original incarnation lasted 18 months.

[The Union of the West]

Let's go over why Baltonia failed: we decided on policy beforehand. That's it. It revoked our ability to debate what we wanted, roleplay what we agreed with, or roleplay extremes, or roleplay ideologies never heard of. It didn't have to do with making a map or choosing a name. We set the politics, and that caused problems. It was rooted in realism.

It was not rooted in failing to build it from scratch. And Aurentina was not necessarily successful as a result of being built from the bottom up. Perhaps, and that is perhaps, it was at one point. You cannot affirm that it will be again. What you can do is learn from your mistakes. Baltonia's narrow political spectrum was a mistake. Aurentina's standstill after every relevant law could be passed was a mistake. Don't come up sigh alternative mistakes to be made this time; do something to stop them from recurring.

I agree, for the most part. However, I think Aurentina's success was a result of being built from the bottom up. When you build an RP from the bottom up, there's no realism to hold you back, no script that you have to follow.

[The Nihilistic view]

Let's go over why Baltonia failed: we decided on policy beforehand. That's it. It revoked our ability to debate what we wanted, roleplay what we agreed with, or roleplay extremes, or roleplay ideologies never heard of. It didn't have to do with making a map or choosing a name. We set the politics, and that caused problems. It was rooted in realism.

It was not rooted in failing to build it from scratch. And Aurentina was not necessarily successful as a result of being built from the bottom up. Perhaps, and that is perhaps, it was at one point. You cannot affirm that it will be again. What you can do is learn from your mistakes. Baltonia's narrow political spectrum was a mistake. Aurentina's standstill after every relevant law could be passed was a mistake. Don't come up sigh alternative mistakes to be made this time; do something to stop them from recurring.

What one needs is a game plan of increasing the different sorts of government interactions. The stage 2 that Aurentina never got because of the straight jacket on RPing RL characters. Working out a way of having interactions with other nations and governments would be a start. We joined the UN and Commonwealth for example but had no way of RPing that due to the admin enforced rules. We need to find a way of doing that. I think more "random" events in the world that we might need to react to would also be a good step. Perhaps admins can come up with stuff, but other than coming up with the situation we need to be the ones to work out what the results will be.