NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[The Nihilistic view]

'91

When was this decided?

It's not. As we have not chosen which history we are using. Though I thought the main probable thrust was democracy in 2014 to make sense with why we have start again with legislation etc.

[CTALNH]

'91

When was this decided?

When apparently nobody freaking asked our opinion.

Until pretty much yesterday I was lead to believe that we just freaking transitioned.Not 23 years ago.

Who decided this without general consensus?

[Glasgia]

Yes and yes. And CTALNH's only saying it's disorganised so he can justify a Russian insurgency, it appears largely agreed upon that the military would've helped a peaceful transition to democracy and be fairly organised - They've had twenty three years to get organised after Soviet rule.

Yes as we can see from recent events in a former SSR that after 23 years their armed forces are very good at keeping out invaders and putting down separatists.

Well, Ukraine couldn't really do anything against the Russians in Crimea while the separatists have more advanced weaponry than them (not that Moscow has given them anything ) and seized key areas before any reaction could be organised

[CTALNH]

Yes as we can see from recent events in a former SSR that after 23 years their armed forces are very good at keeping out invaders and putting down separatists.

Well, Ukraine couldn't really do anything against the Russians in Crimea while the separatists have more advanced weaponry than them (not that Moscow has given them anything ) and seized key areas before any reaction could be organised

Oh my....Such flimsy excuses.

ooc extremely sorry i am in interview mode.

[Glasgia]

Well, Ukraine couldn't really do anything against the Russians in Crimea while the separatists have more advanced weaponry than them (not that Moscow has given them anything ) and seized key areas before any reaction could be organised

Oh my....Such flimsy excuses.

ooc extremely sorry i am in interview mode.

Well, go ahead and say how most armies would've done better. The Ukrainians are far behind western standards, but definitely not simply disorganised.

[CTALNH]

Oh my....Such flimsy excuses.

ooc extremely sorry i am in interview mode.

Well, go ahead and say how most armies would've done better. The Ukrainians are far behind western standards, but definitely not simply disorganised.

Indeed.The Russian invasion of crimea disorganized the hell out of them with officers and soldiers you know...Leaving their posts.

[The Nihilistic view]

Well, go ahead and say how most armies would've done better. The Ukrainians are far behind western standards, but definitely not simply disorganised.

Indeed.The Russian invasion of crimea disorganized the hell out of them with officers and soldiers you know...Leaving their posts.

I have to say from a military point of view I do admire how the Russians managed to do what they did in Crimea. Sun Tzu would approve.

[Glasgia]

Well, go ahead and say how most armies would've done better. The Ukrainians are far behind western standards, but definitely not simply disorganised.

Indeed.The Russian invasion of crimea disorganized the hell out of them with officers and soldiers you know...Leaving their posts.

Because they couldn't shoot. They couldn't set up any organised military attack, or Russia would have simply overpowered them with numbers and weaponry. Their only choice was to surrender or be starved in their barracks.

[CTALNH]

Indeed.The Russian invasion of crimea disorganized the hell out of them with officers and soldiers you know...Leaving their posts.

Because they couldn't shoot. They couldn't set up any organised military attack, or Russia would have simply overpowered them with numbers and weaponry. Their only choice was to surrender or be starved in their barracks.

I meant russian soldiers and officers defecting.

[Finium]

'91

When was this decided?

Forever ago, the Constitution was ratified in 1991, but the Seima starts in 2014.

[Old Tyrannia]

When was this decided?

Forever ago, the Constitution was ratified in 1991, but the Seima starts in 2014.

I'm fairly sure it was decided we would spend the period from 1991 to 2014 under a dictatorship government.

[Finium]

Forever ago, the Constitution was ratified in 1991, but the Seima starts in 2014.

I'm fairly sure it was decided we would spend the period from 1991 to 2014 under a dictatorship government.

Yes, constitution in '91 and Seima in '14

[The Nihilistic view]

Indeed.The Russian invasion of crimea disorganized the hell out of them with officers and soldiers you know...Leaving their posts.

Because they couldn't shoot. They couldn't set up any organised military attack, or Russia would have simply overpowered them with numbers and weaponry. Their only choice was to surrender or be starved in their barracks.

So in other words the Ukrainian armed forces are a laughing stock who are not prepared to defend their country no matter what the situation and prefer self preservation over protecting their nation. Their reaction to the events in the eastern regions was slow, lethargic and seemingly uncoordinated and as a result civil war is looming. Non of the other militaries in ex-SSR countries are any better position bar perhaps Poland. Poland is probably one of the few countries in the ex soviet block one would expect their army to do it's job and tenaciously defend their country against Russian infiltration or invasion.

[CTALNH]

I'm fairly sure it was decided we would spend the period from 1991 to 2014 under a dictatorship government.

Yes, constitution in '91 and Seima in '14

Then the army is disorganized and needs new equipment quickly.

[Great Nepal]

Yes, constitution in '91 and Seima in '14

Then the army is disorganized and needs new equipment quickly.

No, just because top political class changed doesn't mean we committed Baltonian equivalent of the great purge. Maybe very few highest profile generals got tried for collaborating with enemy but for large part the command chain and the army structure under dictatorship would remain the same; at least until it is decided otherwise.

[Glasgia]

Yes, constitution in '91 and Seima in '14

Then the army is disorganized and needs new equipment quickly.

Because they couldn't shoot. They couldn't set up any organised military attack, or Russia would have simply overpowered them with numbers and weaponry. Their only choice was to surrender or be starved in their barracks.

So in other words the Ukrainian armed forces are a laughing stock who are not prepared to defend their country no matter what the situation and prefer self preservation over protecting their nation. Their reaction to the events in the eastern regions was slow, lethargic and seemingly uncoordinated and as a result civil war is looming. Non of the other militaries in ex-SSR countries are any better position bar perhaps Poland. Poland is probably one of the few countries in the ex soviet block one would expect their army to do it's job and tenaciously defend their country against Russian infiltration or invasion.

By not shooting, they protected their nation. They prevented a complete Russian invasion of the majority of their own homelands, rather than futilely attempting to defend a small peninsula and putting the rest of the nation at risk.

Then the army is disorganized and needs new equipment quickly.

No, just because top political class changed doesn't mean we committed Baltonian equivalent of the great purge. Maybe very few highest profile generals got tried for collaborating with enemy but for large part the command chain and the army structure under dictatorship would remain the same; at least until it is decided otherwise.

Definitely. I don't quite understand why Stalin is so convinced that we'd be disorganised.

[CTALNH]

Then the army is disorganized and needs new equipment quickly.

No, just because top political class changed doesn't mean we committed Baltonian equivalent of the great purge. Maybe very few highest profile generals got tried for collaborating with enemy but for large part the command chain and the army structure under dictatorship would remain the same; at least until it is decided otherwise.

Okay then I will go ask my Russian brotheren to coup the baltonia again.

[Glasgia]

No, just because top political class changed doesn't mean we committed Baltonian equivalent of the great purge. Maybe very few highest profile generals got tried for collaborating with enemy but for large part the command chain and the army structure under dictatorship would remain the same; at least until it is decided otherwise.

Okay then I will go ask my Russian brotheren to coup the baltonia again.

Go ahead, I'm sure you're "brotheren" will give it a real good go...

[CTALNH]

Then the army is disorganized and needs new equipment quickly.

So in other words the Ukrainian armed forces are a laughing stock who are not prepared to defend their country no matter what the situation and prefer self preservation over protecting their nation. Their reaction to the events in the eastern regions was slow, lethargic and seemingly uncoordinated and as a result civil war is looming. Non of the other militaries in ex-SSR countries are any better position bar perhaps Poland. Poland is probably one of the few countries in the ex soviet block one would expect their army to do it's job and tenaciously defend their country against Russian infiltration or invasion.

By not shooting, they protected their nation. They prevented a complete Russian invasion of the majority of their own homelands, rather than futilely attempting to defend a small peninsula and putting the rest of the nation at risk

"Small peninsula "

[Arkolon]

School vouchers, anyone?

[CTALNH]

Okay then I will go ask my Russian brotheren to coup the baltonia again.

Go ahead, I'm sure you're "brotheren" will give it a real good go...

Laugh all you want your the ones that did not lay off all Russian officers and disarm all Russian regiments.

[Great Nepal]

No, just because top political class changed doesn't mean we committed Baltonian equivalent of the great purge. Maybe very few highest profile generals got tried for collaborating with enemy but for large part the command chain and the army structure under dictatorship would remain the same; at least until it is decided otherwise.

Okay then I will go ask my Russian brotheren to coup the baltonia again.

Because army will be soo willing to help you, because... why exactly?

[Murkwood]

School vouchers, anyone?

That was a great op-ed. Senator Aminev supports school vouchers.

[CTALNH]

Okay then I will go ask my Russian brotheren to coup the baltonia again.

Because army will be soo willing to help you, because... why exactly?

I am not expecting the whole army to join me.

But if you said is true that you did not lay off all Russian officers and disarm all Russian regiments do you think it's gonna be difficult to find supporters of the former regime in the army?

[Great Nepal]

School vouchers, anyone?

I personally favor system much in line with most of Europe: high standard state funded schools with private schools being an option if someone wishes to pay for service.