Traveller's Cafe 3: Brainstorming, discussion, tea, advice

[Ayreonia]

Oh god. Plz no. Not again.

Just... can we not?

Also: Is anyone else seeing the post boxes as really fucked up after Decius's megapost?

You don't have to be rude.

You've got to understand that an Axis victory in World War II has basically become a cliché about bad RP/worldbuilding, and isn't taken kindly around here. There's just too much suspension of belief involved.

[Kassaran]

Kill off Hitler, make someone else come to power after the taking of Poland, then you have a viable story.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Kill off Hitler, make someone else come to power after the taking of Poland, then you have a viable story.

Eh. Don't even know about that.

To be frank, the mere concept of a Nazi victory in WW2 has grown exhausting.

[Australian Antarctica]

You don't have to be rude.

You've got to understand that an Axis victory in World War II has basically become a cliché about bad RP/worldbuilding, and isn't taken kindly around here. There's just too much suspension of belief involved.

I would be up for a WW2 RP, but with a completely different history before it. Maybe in a universe where the American Revolution failed.

[Escalan Corps-Star Island]

You've got to understand that an Axis victory in World War II has basically become a cliché about bad RP/worldbuilding, and isn't taken kindly around here. There's just too much suspension of belief involved.

I would be up for a WW2 RP, but with a completely different history before it. Maybe in a universe where the American Revolution failed.

Projecting anything plausible from a POD in that time frame would prove nightmarish. . .

[Australian Antarctica]

Kill off Hitler, make someone else come to power after the taking of Poland, then you have a viable story.

Possibly, I was descussing today, what would've happened if Hitler died sometime after the Fall of France and the Invasion of Russia. In my opinion, the 3rd Reich would have been plunged into a civil war.

[Australian Antarctica]

I would be up for a WW2 RP, but with a completely different history before it. Maybe in a universe where the American Revolution failed.

Projecting anything plausible from a POD in that time frame would prove nightmarish. . .

POD???

[Nature-Spirits]

Kill off Hitler, make someone else come to power after the taking of Poland, then you have a viable story.

Eh. Don't even know about that.

To be frank, the mere concept of a Nazi victory in WW2 has grown exhausting.

Indeed. It's rarely -- if ever -- done tastefully. Really, the only circumstance I would concede a Nazi victory is if it were a sci-fi or fantasy setting where alien eldritch space magic or some such thing was uncovered and lead to a vastly more powerful Nazi force, because then it's clear the RP isn't supposed to represent a realistic outcome in the first place.

[Escalan Corps-Star Island]

Projecting anything plausible from a POD in that time frame would prove nightmarish. . .

POD???

Point of departure; date where the AH part begins to differ from accepted history. But by all means, try it: I'd love to see something like that done well.

[Australian Antarctica]

POD???

Point of departure; date where the AH part begins to differ from accepted history. But by all means, try it: I'd love to see something like that done well.

It would be extremely difficult, requiring it's own topic just for the Timeline. Anyone want to help me?

[Ayreonia]

Kill off Hitler, make someone else come to power after the taking of Poland, then you have a viable story.

Wouldn't change that much, really.

[Australian Antarctica]

Kill off Hitler, make someone else come to power after the taking of Poland, then you have a viable story.

Wouldn't change that much, really.

How so?

[Ayreonia]

Wouldn't change that much, really.

How so?

Hitler or no, Germany would have still gotten fucked.

[Australian Antarctica]

How so?

Hitler or no, Germany would have still gotten fucked.

True, but it could have caused infighting among the top officials and maybe cause a civil war?

[Escalan Corps-Star Island]

Hitler or no, Germany would have still gotten fucked.

True, but it could have caused infighting among the top officials and maybe cause a civil war?

Or better yet:
Hitler loses to coup d'état, Germany sues for peace, Soviet Union doesn't get half of Europe, interestingness ensues with Mr. Stalin in non-superpower mode. There ya go.

[Australian Antarctica]

True, but it could have caused infighting among the top officials and maybe cause a civil war?

Or better yet:
Hitler loses to coup d'état, Germany sues for peace, Soviet Union doesn't get half of Europe, interestingness ensues with Mr. Stalin in non-superpower mode. There ya go.

Not a bad idea. There are so many variables besides Axis-Victory.

[Ayreonia]

Hitler or no, Germany would have still gotten fucked.

True, but it could have caused infighting among the top officials and maybe cause a civil war?

You say that like there wasn't infighting under Hitler. There was, it was just pretty hush-hush, like two schoolkids fighting in the yard who turn, whistle and pretend to be best buddies when a teacher shows up. Most of the fuckups in the NSDAP were Hitler's accomplices anyway, and they would quickly have fallen out of favor if the Führer got disposed of.

[Benuty]

You don't have to be rude.

You've got to understand that an Axis victory in World War II has basically become a cliché about bad RP/worldbuilding, and isn't taken kindly around here. There's just too much suspension of belief involved.

There was this neat little mod from an AAR on paradox forums called "1964", it was absolutely amazing.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/sho ... AOD%29-Mod

It was based off these two interactive AARS for AoD.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/sho ... K-DAIM-AAR
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/sho ... st11541036

If someone made an rp from this I would definitely join.

[Australian Antarctica]

True, but it could have caused infighting among the top officials and maybe cause a civil war?

You say that like there wasn't infighting under Hitler. There was, it was just pretty hush-hush, like two schoolkids fighting in the yard who turn, whistle and pretend to be best buddies when a teacher shows up. Most of the fuckups in the NSDAP were Hitler's accomplices anyway, and they would quickly have fallen out of favor if the Führer got disposed of.

Yes, but Hitler managed to calm them, without Hitler, the officials would most likely fight for the top position. War ensues, and the Soviet Union and Britain jump on the chance to invade. East and West Germany is formed earlier, Japan attacks the U.S, the US retaliates alone.

[Ayreonia]

You say that like there wasn't infighting under Hitler. There was, it was just pretty hush-hush, like two schoolkids fighting in the yard who turn, whistle and pretend to be best buddies when a teacher shows up. Most of the fuckups in the NSDAP were Hitler's accomplices anyway, and they would quickly have fallen out of favor if the Führer got disposed of.

Yes, but Hitler managed to calm them, without Hitler, the officials would most likely fight for the top position. War ensues, and the Soviet Union and Britain jump on the chance to invade. East and West Germany is formed earlier, Japan attacks the U.S, the US retaliates alone.

I'm arguing for the implausibility of an Axis victory here, even considering Kassaran's scenario of replacing Hitler after Poland.

Guys, the thing is that even if Hitler was competent (and he wasn't as stupid as people make him look) or someone else led Germany, they still couldn't have won. There's countless factors that made it sure, but one of them is plenty enough: the USSR. No country in the world could have defeated the USSR.

[Ayreonia]

I'll carry this discussion here from the What Lies Below OOC, since this is the sort of place for it.

Do you feel like characters with military backgrounds are overrepresented in P2TM roleplays? If yes, what do you think of it?

[Reverend Norv]

I'll carry this discussion here from the What Lies Below OOC, since this is the sort of place for it.

Do you feel like characters with military backgrounds are overrepresented in P2TM roleplays? If yes, what do you think of it?

Eh.

On the one hand, this is true. On the other, I am one of the culprits, so it's tricky for me to talk about.

Basically, my view is that if a) the RP makes it plausible that a lot of the PCs would be ex-military and b) the players are capable of RPing without falling back on military stereotypes or misinformation, then I don't really see a problem with it. On a dangerous fishing vessel hunting sea monsters, you'd expect to see a lot of ex-Navy types. Same with a criminal syndicate, or with almost any group of volunteers involved in hazardous work - which accounts for most RPs.

But if this is a daily life RP about a high school, and a third of the faculty are mysteriously ex-military - then, I agree, it's getting silly. And if someone's idea of RPing an ex-military character is trotting out tired old stereotypes (or, worse yet, neglecting to do the research on what military life actually entails) - then that's just lazy writing, no matter what the setting may be.

So there's my two cents. For what it's worth.

[Escalan Corps-Star Island]

I'll carry this discussion here from the What Lies Below OOC, since this is the sort of place for it.

Do you feel like characters with military backgrounds are overrepresented in P2TM roleplays? If yes, what do you think of it?

As per the above, it's not so much that characters with military backstory are overrepresented, it's that RPs involving those situations are the bread and butter of P2TM. And in the case of a fantasy/mediæval RP, most adventures are centred around hazardous travels or knightly traversal of the kingdom. At that point, your characters are all "military" in some sense for the most part.

[Alleniana]

I'll carry this discussion here from the What Lies Below OOC, since this is the sort of place for it.

Do you feel like characters with military backgrounds are overrepresented in P2TM roleplays? If yes, what do you think of it?

As per the above, it's not so much that characters with military backstory are overrepresented, it's that RPs involving those situations are the bread and butter of P2TM. And in the case of a fantasy/mediæval RP, most adventures are centred around hazardous travels or knightly traversal of the kingdom. At that point, your characters are all "military" in some sense for the most part.

Indeed. RPs, with good reason, have dangerous situations and important, noteworthy stuff going on, and that just tends to involve the military in some form or another.

[Ayreonia]

As per the above, it's not so much that characters with military backstory are overrepresented, it's that RPs involving those situations are the bread and butter of P2TM. And in the case of a fantasy/mediæval RP, most adventures are centred around hazardous travels or knightly traversal of the kingdom. At that point, your characters are all "military" in some sense for the most part.

Indeed. RPs, with good reason, have dangerous situations and important, noteworthy stuff going on, and that just tends to involve the military in some form or another.

But it's just so damned convenient that out of a group in a hazardous situation, a half are going to have a military background.

Say I made an RP about a shipwrecked luxury liner whose survivors end up stranded on a desert island and have to learn survival skills and live off the land to stay alive long enough to get rescued. Am I going to get pampered silver-spoon-up-their-asses one-percenters for whom the experience will be traumatic and life-changing? Janitors who at first get sneered at by the high and mighty but turn out to be very useful team members? The captain, who is challenged by being put in leadership in a situation he has no control over.

Fuck no. We all know it's going to be goddamned Navy SEAL Academy people who have graduated in gorilla warfare and have over nine thousaaaaand confirmed kills or however that copypast goes.