TET: Everything Is A Metaphor

[Gallade]

Oh stop it, you charmer.

As if you don't enjoy it.

It wouldn't be happening if I didn't.

[Liberonscien]

Bones are showing.

Her collar bones are showing.

Rib bones are showing and everyone is saying you are too thin?

[Ethel mermania]

I'm certainly not advocating isolating sufferers. I myself have visited help forums in the past for various reasons, and I know of their value. I also know how dangerous they can be, because they're unregulated, and not all the help who visit them want to seek help. They seek affirmation, and this can make the problem much worse, as it can trivialise and even make it seem normal.

Banning is certainly not the way to go. A properly moderated community where people can seek help is one thing. A refuge for your illness is another thing entirely, and all too often sites like this can harbour very ill individuals who want nothing more than others to share in their illness.

Don't get me wrong. I am very much in favour of support and being able to share with those who understand what you're going through the most, but you have to be careful that you are getting support, rather than further reconciling the notion that this is in any way healthy or normal behavior and in any way taken for granted.

Once again, the mind of those who have eating disorders is very often much different than yours. A lot of them aren't ready for help, and they should not be forced into isolation because of it. And regardless of what you may think, I know from a first hand experience, forcing someone into therapy or forcing someone into treatment will only make the problem worse.
I was forced into treatment a little over a year ago, and even though it wasn't for disordered eating, it still had the same consequence. I sank lower and lower into alcoholism and self-harm after I was released. I attempted suicide because someone else decided they knew what was best for me and took away the community I had.
And I have done a lot of work with people who suffer from eating disorders (hell I'm a disordered eater myself). Those who have been forced into "recovery" almost always go back to their routine harder than ever before.

And even if you aren't suggesting they we force them into treatment, you are still saying that if they want a community to talk to, it has to be your ideal or a community. But the thing is, the only ones who would want to join those communities are the ones who are already seeking help. Which means that those who aren't seeking help are alone, have no one to communicate with, and have no support from others like them.

if its necessary to force someone into treatment it is better than letting them kill themselves or harm others, quite a few schiozphrenics dont like taking tbheir meds and only do it under forced supervision.

[Lordieth]

I'm certainly not advocating isolating sufferers. I myself have visited help forums in the past for various reasons, and I know of their value. I also know how dangerous they can be, because they're unregulated, and not all the help who visit them want to seek help. They seek affirmation, and this can make the problem much worse, as it can trivialise and even make it seem normal.

Banning is certainly not the way to go. A properly moderated community where people can seek help is one thing. A refuge for your illness is another thing entirely, and all too often sites like this can harbour very ill individuals who want nothing more than others to share in their illness.

Don't get me wrong. I am very much in favour of support and being able to share with those who understand what you're going through the most, but you have to be careful that you are getting support, rather than further reconciling the notion that this is in any way healthy or normal behavior and in any way taken for granted.

Once again, the mind of those who have eating disorders is very often much different than yours. A lot of them aren't ready for help, and they should not be forced into isolation because of it. And regardless of what you may think, I know from a first hand experience, forcing someone into therapy or forcing someone into treatment will only make the problem worse.
I was forced into treatment a little over a year ago, and even though it wasn't for disordered eating, it still had the same consequence. I sank lower and lower into alcoholism and self-harm after I was released. I attempted suicide because someone else decided they knew what was best for me and took away the community I had.
And I have done a lot of work with people who suffer from eating disorders (hell I'm a disordered eater myself). Those who have been forced into "recovery" almost always go back to their routine harder than ever before.

And even if you aren't suggesting they we force them into treatment, you are still saying that if they want a community to talk to, it has to be your ideal or a community. But the thing is, the only ones who would want to join those communities are the ones who are already seeking help. Which means that those who aren't seeking help are alone, have no one to communicate with, and have no support from others like them.

I'm not suggesting anyone be forced to seek treatment. I'm just saying it can be dangerous. Some people don't want to seek help. They want others to share in their illness. They can provide support for some, and cause others to plunge even further into despair. Some people do need help, and are their own worst enemies. Not everyone, but certainly some. Such communities should be led by sufferers who are recovering, or who understand that it is an illness and that everyone is there to seek help, and to protect the community from those who seek to promote their illness to others.

I agree with Galla that it's not really talked about, and in the absence of much alternative I admit that having community support is valuable, but there are right ways and wrong ways to run communities like that. I am only concerned for people's safety. I've had my fair share of problems with my relationship with food in the past. Indirectly caused by other issues in my life at the time, but that warped perception of yourself, It's a horrible affliction that I would not wish on anyone.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Her collar bones are showing.

Rib bones are showing and everyone is saying you are too thin?

Who in the fucking world would call me thin? Like ever? What the sweet sugar glazed fuck?
And there are loads of clinically healthy-weight people whose ribs show.

[R the Zombie]

Somedays work is exciting. Then there are days like today..... oh well.

[Liberonscien]

Rib bones are showing and everyone is saying you are too thin?

Who in the fucking world would call me thin? Like ever? What the sweet sugar glazed fuck?
And there are loads of clinically healthy-weight people whose ribs show.

I was talking in general.
If you can see bone marrow... It was a bad joke, sorry...

[Lordieth]

As if you don't enjoy it.

It wouldn't be happening if I didn't.

Well, you're hard not to like. As if that wasn't already apparent.

[Gallade]

Who in the fucking world would call me thin? Like ever? What the sweet sugar glazed fuck?
And there are loads of clinically healthy-weight people whose ribs show.

I was talking in general.
If you can see bone marrow... It was a bad joke, sorry...

Just go for the general signs of anorexia. Downy fur on skin, weak hair and a low immune system are good signs that you're drastically underweight.

[Ethel mermania]

Somedays work is exciting. Then there are days like today..... oh well.

i like boring days, exciting work days are bad, means bad things happened. in your line of work it could mean people dying. take boring every time.

[Liberonscien]

Somedays work is exciting. Then there are days like today..... oh well.

i like boring days, exciting work days are bad, means bad things happened. in your line of work it could mean people dying. take boring every time.

Boring is usually safe. Exciting is usually dangerous. I learned that a long time ago.

[Lordieth]

i like boring days, exciting work days are bad, means bad things happened. in your line of work it could mean people dying. take boring every time.

Boring is usually safe. Exciting is usually dangerous. I learned that a long time ago.

Somewhere in-between the two suits me just fine. Can't all be high-octane excitement adrenaline-fueled mayhem.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Once again, the mind of those who have eating disorders is very often much different than yours. A lot of them aren't ready for help, and they should not be forced into isolation because of it. And regardless of what you may think, I know from a first hand experience, forcing someone into therapy or forcing someone into treatment will only make the problem worse.
I was forced into treatment a little over a year ago, and even though it wasn't for disordered eating, it still had the same consequence. I sank lower and lower into alcoholism and self-harm after I was released. I attempted suicide because someone else decided they knew what was best for me and took away the community I had.
And I have done a lot of work with people who suffer from eating disorders (hell I'm a disordered eater myself). Those who have been forced into "recovery" almost always go back to their routine harder than ever before.

And even if you aren't suggesting they we force them into treatment, you are still saying that if they want a community to talk to, it has to be your ideal or a community. But the thing is, the only ones who would want to join those communities are the ones who are already seeking help. Which means that those who aren't seeking help are alone, have no one to communicate with, and have no support from others like them.

if its necessary to force someone into treatment it is better than letting them kill themselves or harm others, quite a few schiozphrenics dont like taking tbheir meds and only do it under forced supervision.

First of all, I am schizophrenic.
Second, yes, let's force them into treatment so they can attempt suicide after they get out, like I did. That's a good idea.

Once again, the mind of those who have eating disorders is very often much different than yours. A lot of them aren't ready for help, and they should not be forced into isolation because of it. And regardless of what you may think, I know from a first hand experience, forcing someone into therapy or forcing someone into treatment will only make the problem worse.
I was forced into treatment a little over a year ago, and even though it wasn't for disordered eating, it still had the same consequence. I sank lower and lower into alcoholism and self-harm after I was released. I attempted suicide because someone else decided they knew what was best for me and took away the community I had.
And I have done a lot of work with people who suffer from eating disorders (hell I'm a disordered eater myself). Those who have been forced into "recovery" almost always go back to their routine harder than ever before.

And even if you aren't suggesting they we force them into treatment, you are still saying that if they want a community to talk to, it has to be your ideal or a community. But the thing is, the only ones who would want to join those communities are the ones who are already seeking help. Which means that those who aren't seeking help are alone, have no one to communicate with, and have no support from others like them.

I'm not suggesting anyone be forced to seek treatment. I'm just saying it can be dangerous. Some people don't want to seek help. They want others to share in their illness. They can provide support for some, and cause others to plunge even further into despair. Some people do need help, and are their own worst enemies. Not everyone, but certainly some. Such communities should be led by sufferers who are recovering, or who understand that it is illness and that everyone is there to seek help, and to protect the community from those who seek to promote their illness to others.

I agree with Galla that it's not really talked about, and in the absence of much alternative I admit that having community support is valuable, but there are right ways and wrong ways to run communities like that. I am only concerned for people's safety. I've had my fair share of problems with my relationship with food in the past. Indirectly caused by other issues in my life at the time, but that warped perception of yourself. It's a horrible affliction that I would not wish on anyone.

I have never, EVER, seen a single member of a pro-ana community suggest to someone else that they should "become anorexic." In fact, 95% of all sites I've seen have STRICT policies that if you ask for advice on "how to become anorexic" you get an IP ban.
But you know what I have seen?
In response to "How much should I eat?" I have seen:
"1200 calories or more a day. Don't go under 1000."
"Eat when you're hungry, but try to eat veggies and fruit before meats and junk."
"That's not enough food. Eat more."
"Please, please, don't ask this question. If you aren't already like us, please don't come here asking for advice. We don't want you to be like us."
I have NEVER seen anyone encouraging eating disorders.

In response to "Am I fat?"
"You're so beautiful!"
"I love your skin/hair/legs/etc"
"Wow! So pretty!"
NEVER have I seen anyone put another down for their body, even when the person is far beyond what those members deem "thin."

What you don't get, is that to you they look like they are encouraging disordered eating.
But when you actually get into it, they are screaming "Please get better!" at everyone on the website. They are telling each other, "You can beat this! You are beautiful! You are strong!" and more than that, the one thing that these people need to hear, is "I'm not judging you. You don't disgust me. I love you in spite of your illness."

And that is important.

[Ethel mermania]

mrs mermania doest like my margarita? Herasy.

[Gallade]

It wouldn't be happening if I didn't.

Well, you're hard not to like. As if that wasn't already apparent.

You're certainly somebody I'd be interested in. Good head on your shoulders, driven, goal orientated and a good guy in general.

Somedays work is exciting. Then there are days like today..... oh well.

i like boring days, exciting work days are bad, means bad things happened. in your line of work it could mean people dying. take boring every time.

Exciting days for me generally mean State Examinations are on the horizon or a student has fucked up in a major way. Much prefer the days when I can throw on a DVD for the kids for good behaviour and have a coffee in the staff room.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I was talking in general.
If you can see bone marrow... It was a bad joke, sorry...

Just go for the general signs of anorexia. Downy fur on skin, weak hair and a low immune system are good signs that you're drastically underweight.

(Those things can also be caused by hormonal disorders, particularly PCOS, which affects 10% of women including myself.)

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Who in the fucking world would call me thin? Like ever? What the sweet sugar glazed fuck?
And there are loads of clinically healthy-weight people whose ribs show.

I was talking in general.
If you can see bone marrow... It was a bad joke, sorry...

yeah I read that wrong. :/

[Blasveck]

While forced treatment is certainly not the best option, sometimes, it really is the only option.

That's the extent I will elucidate my opinion on the matter.

[Thafoo]

oh my god the new Foster The People album is out on Spotify

[Ethel mermania]

if its necessary to force someone into treatment it is better than letting them kill themselves or harm others, quite a few schiozphrenics dont like taking tbheir meds and only do it under forced supervision.

First of all, I am schizophrenic.
Second, yes, let's force them into treatment so they can attempt suicide after they get out, like I did. That's a good idea.

.

better than this

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-subway-pus ... d=18090508

[Lordieth]

if its necessary to force someone into treatment it is better than letting them kill themselves or harm others, quite a few schiozphrenics dont like taking tbheir meds and only do it under forced supervision.

First of all, I am schizophrenic.
Second, yes, let's force them into treatment so they can attempt suicide after they get out, like I did. That's a good idea.

I'm not suggesting anyone be forced to seek treatment. I'm just saying it can be dangerous. Some people don't want to seek help. They want others to share in their illness. They can provide support for some, and cause others to plunge even further into despair. Some people do need help, and are their own worst enemies. Not everyone, but certainly some. Such communities should be led by sufferers who are recovering, or who understand that it is illness and that everyone is there to seek help, and to protect the community from those who seek to promote their illness to others.

I agree with Galla that it's not really talked about, and in the absence of much alternative I admit that having community support is valuable, but there are right ways and wrong ways to run communities like that. I am only concerned for people's safety. I've had my fair share of problems with my relationship with food in the past. Indirectly caused by other issues in my life at the time, but that warped perception of yourself. It's a horrible affliction that I would not wish on anyone.

I have never, EVER, seen a single member of a pro-ana community suggest to someone else that they should "become anorexic." In fact, 95% of all sites I've seen have STRICT policies that if you ask for advice on "how to become anorexic" you get an IP ban.
But you know what I have seen?
In response to "How much should I eat?" I have seen:
"1200 calories or more a day. Don't go under 1000."
"Eat when you're hungry, but try to eat veggies and fruit before meats and junk."
"That's not enough food. Eat more."
"Please, please, don't ask this question. If you aren't already like us, please don't come here asking for advice. We don't want you to be like us."
I have NEVER seen anyone encouraging eating disorders.

In response to "Am I fat?"
"You're so beautiful!"
"I love your skin/hair/legs/etc"
"Wow! So pretty!"
NEVER have I seen anyone put another down for their body, even when the person is far beyond what those members deem "thin."

What you don't get, is that to you they look like they are encouraging disordered eating.
But when you actually get into it, they are screaming "Please get better!" at everyone on the website. They are telling each other, "You can beat this! You are beautiful! You are strong!" and more than that, the one thing that these people need to hear, is "I'm not judging you. You don't disgust me. I love you in spite of your illness."

And that is important.

Well, I'm listening to everything you are saying carefully and taking it all in. There's a lot I probably do not understand, and I do treat such sites with some level of distrust, but not all pro-anorexia websites are supportive. It's the not-so-supportive ones I take issue with. As I said, I think support groups are important, and a good thing to have. As long as nobody is promoting it as an acceptable endeavour, then I take no issue with it. We all need to speak to people we feel will understand us at times. I wouldn't wish to take that away from anyone. At the same time however I do think there is an easy answer. Some people might respond to treatment, others may not, but whatever that person decides, the end goal should always be to get better.

[Gallade]

Just go for the general signs of anorexia. Downy fur on skin, weak hair and a low immune system are good signs that you're drastically underweight.

(Those things can also be caused by hormonal disorders, particularly PCOS, which affects 10% of women including myself.)

Combined with a (admittedly subjective) underfed look, anorexia should always be a suspected cause. Exhaust all possibilities, etc etc.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

First of all, I am schizophrenic.
Second, yes, let's force them into treatment so they can attempt suicide after they get out, like I did. That's a good idea.

.

better than this

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-subway-pus ... d=18090508

Do you know how abso-fucking-lutely rare it is for a schizophrenic, even one who is unmedicated, to be violent?
It is fucking rare and it is fucking offensive when you assume that we are violent. That is a stereotype the media has pushed, and it fucking hurts us. Stop. We are not violent people.

[Lordieth]

Well, you're hard not to like. As if that wasn't already apparent.

You're certainly somebody I'd be interested in. Good head on your shoulders, driven, goal orientated and a good guy in general.

You're smart, funny, witty, and seem fiercely independent, which I really like. Some very attractive qualities.

Anyway, I'll stop before it starts getting all smoochie in here. I have to go anyway, it's getting late. Training again tomorrow. Sigh.

G'night TET.

[Big Jim P]

Writing can be very therapeutic.