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Postby Kouralia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:26 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Kouralia wrote:What the fuck are you on about?

Dendart has at no point revealed the ID of the head of the Stormjaegers. Instead he (presumably he, and not Dangelia) has revealed merely that he knows the identity of the head of the stormjaegers.

Where did you get the impression that the Head of the Stormjagers sent him that, or that Dendart knew his identity? Kruger, who's been convicted, was in custody at the time. Literally anyone in the Stormjager organization could have sent that...

Because an account ultimately represents the head of the organisation, or the entirety of a relevant organisation as one. That's why the TG sent by the MoD account was not able to be passed off as 'from some low level guy in Accounts': if the MoD account TG's someone, it's from the Minister themself.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:27 pm

By identity in his TG reply I am fairly sure that Dendart means the organisation that is behind the TG. No names were actually mentioned in the correspondence.
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Postby Mediciano » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:31 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:By identity in his TG reply I am fairly sure that Dendart means the organisation that is behind the TG. No names were actually mentioned in the correspondence.

That's the impression I got as well.

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Postby New Zepuha » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:31 pm

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New Zepuha wrote:Okay, simple. We request a seizure warrant from the courts.

That would make him a criminal, if he released it after such a warrant was issued. Also, what makes you think the Justice Ministry will support this misuse of power?

The courts support the move, the Gendarmes gave us a legitimate request.
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Postby Kouralia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:32 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:By identity in his TG reply I am fairly sure that Dendart means the organisation that is behind the TG. No names were actually mentioned in the correspondence.

Well, he hasn't clarified that, has he? All he's done is request a lawyer as soon as he was confronted.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:36 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
Mediciano wrote:That would make him a criminal, if he released it after such a warrant was issued. Also, what makes you think the Justice Ministry will support this misuse of power?

The courts support the move, the Gendarmes gave us a legitimate request.


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Beta Test wrote:Oh so why is that illegal then?


That's the thing, dispite asking nobody can cite me the law that makes it illegal. The SJ are not an illegal organisation for a start so contact with a member and not reporting it is not a crime. Nor is not divulging ones source, nor is printing said correspondence especially as it was never originally marked top secret and the publishers of the article have not signed an official secrets act or the like in the first place.



Perhaps you can answer the questions Zep?
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Postby New Zepuha » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:38 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:The courts support the move, the Gendarmes gave us a legitimate request.


The Nihilistic view wrote:
That's the thing, dispite asking nobody can cite me the law that makes it illegal. The SJ are not an illegal organisation for a start so contact with a member and not reporting it is not a crime. Nor is not divulging ones source, nor is printing said correspondence especially as it was never originally marked top secret and the publishers of the article have not signed an official secrets act or the like in the first place.



Perhaps you can answer the questions Zep?

Look I've been defending Kouralia as much as I can but I dont know. I was never informed of this threat and nor was I informed of any warrants being requested. The MoI is calling for an inquest into the Gendarmerie by the NIB or another agency. I smell something a foot.
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Postby Mediciano » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:41 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:



Perhaps you can answer the questions Zep?

Look I've been defending Kouralia as much as I can but I dont know. I was never informed of this threat and nor was I informed of any warrants being requested. The MoI is calling for an inquest into the Gendarmerie by the NIB or another agency. I smell something a foot.

Thank the Almighty! I literally thought this was some cruel gaslighting thing or that I was going insane...

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Postby Britcan » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:41 pm

Phocidaea wrote:So who was the MoD who sold (gave?) the biological weapons? Embarrassingly, I'm not all caught up on the case.

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Postby Kouralia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:42 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:



Perhaps you can answer the questions Zep?

Look I've been defending Kouralia as much as I can but I dont know. I was never informed of this threat and nor was I informed of any warrants being requested. The MoI is calling for an inquest into the Gendarmerie by the NIB or another agency. I smell something a foot.

FOr what, bringing someone in for questioning and then releasing them without charge if there's no further evidence?

wow

so corruption

such abomination

much internal affairs

many conspiracies

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:42 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:



Perhaps you can answer the questions Zep?

Look I've been defending Kouralia as much as I can but I dont know. I was never informed of this threat and nor was I informed of any warrants being requested. The MoI is calling for an inquest into the Gendarmerie by the NIB or another agency. I smell something a foot.


I understand it's under your ministry but that you might not be aware of every single thing that goes on if those below you don't inform you, it's a big job. I just find it odd that nobody can cite the laws broken in printing such a correspondence. Other than some ridiculous leap of logic that a forwarded email from the last MOD must mean that the monarchist journal knew about a later bombing not mentioned in said email.
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Postby Mediciano » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:45 pm

Kouralia wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:Look I've been defending Kouralia as much as I can but I dont know. I was never informed of this threat and nor was I informed of any warrants being requested. The MoI is calling for an inquest into the Gendarmerie by the NIB or another agency. I smell something a foot.

FOr what, bringing someone in for questioning and then releasing them without charge if there's no further evidence?

How about police harassment, abuse of police power and corruption?

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:46 pm

Surly it is in the public interest to know the danger they are in by publishing such a forwarded correspondence? I am sure that if the MJ knew names they would also blow the whistle on them.
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Postby Britcan » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:46 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Kouralia wrote:FOr what, bringing someone in for questioning and then releasing them without charge if there's no further evidence?

How about police harassment, abuse of police power and corruption?

Erm... what?

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Postby Kouralia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:47 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Kouralia wrote:FOr what, bringing someone in for questioning and then releasing them without charge if there's no further evidence?

How about police harassment, abuse of police power and corruption?

What corruption?
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Postby Mediciano » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:48 pm

Britcan wrote:
Mediciano wrote:How about police harassment, abuse of police power and corruption?

Erm... what?

If leaping to conclusions was a crime he'd be guilty of that as well..,

Nihil put it best: Dendart was merely fulfilling his responsibility as a journalist and public servant.

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Postby Office of the Leishaagen Coroner » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:58 pm

New Zepuha wrote:Look I've been defending Kouralia as much as I can but I dont know. I was never informed of this threat and nor was I informed of any warrants being requested. The MoI is calling for an inquest into the Gendarmerie by the NIB or another agency.

Hi, the office that does inquests is here.

No, we're not doing an inquest.
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Postby Mediciano » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:07 pm

Office of the Leishaagen Coroner wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:Look I've been defending Kouralia as much as I can but I dont know. I was never informed of this threat and nor was I informed of any warrants being requested. The MoI is calling for an inquest into the Gendarmerie by the NIB or another agency.

Hi, the office that does inquests is here.

No, we're not doing an inquest.

Why does the coroner do inquests?

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Postby Kouralia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:11 pm

An inquest is a judicial inquiry in common law jurisdictions, particularly one held to determine the cause of a person's death.[1] Conducted by a judge, jury, or government official, an inquest may or may not require an autopsy carried out by a coroner or medical examiner. Generally, inquests are only conducted when deaths are sudden or unexplained.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:11 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Office of the Leishaagen Coroner wrote:Hi, the office that does inquests is here.

No, we're not doing an inquest.

Why does the coroner do inquests?

Well technically, Aurentina has no inquests, since, you know, *no juries* and *not a common law jurisdiction*, coroner's the closest thing we got.
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Postby Mediciano » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:15 pm

Ainin wrote:
Mediciano wrote:Why does the coroner do inquests?

Well technically, Aurentina has no inquests, since, you know, *no juries* and *not a common law jurisdiction*, coroner's the closest thing we got.

I think it would be reasonable to assume that he meant investigation...I thought they were synonymous until a moment ago.
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Postby New Zepuha » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:19 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Ainin wrote:Well technically, Aurentina has no inquests, since, you know, *no juries* and *not a common law jurisdiction*, coroner's the closest thing we got.

I think it would be reasonable to assume that he meant investigation...I thought they were synonymous until a moment ago.

Yeah...... but Kour you arrested them, that implies charges will be filed.
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Postby Kouralia » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:23 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
Mediciano wrote:I think it would be reasonable to assume that he meant investigation...I thought they were synonymous until a moment ago.

Yeah...... but Kour you arrested them, that implies charges will be filed.

Not necessarily. How often do you think people arrested for section 5 public order offences on a friday night are actually charged?

He's been arrested, but not charged. People are demanding investigation into the ANG because one person was arrested, and has been asked one question, having not even been taken to the police station.
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Postby Britanno » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:24 pm

Med, Kour never said you were the head of the motherfucking *insert organisation name here because it's a stupid name that I can't remember* ok?! It's not bloody hard to understand!

The whole argument of Kour's opposition seems to be based off "he's been charged for doing something that isn't illegal" which is utter bullshit because he hasn't been charged with anything. He's been brought in for questioning.
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Postby Britanno » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:32 pm

New Zepuha wrote:Look I've been defending Kouralia as much as I can but I dont know. I was never informed of this threat and nor was I informed of any warrants being requested. The MoI is calling for an inquest into the Gendarmerie by the NIB or another agency. I smell something a foot.

Funny how you jump ship whenever you're on the losing side.
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