NSG Senate Lobby: Four Scones and Seven Pastries Ago

[Kouralia]

Exactly. The very first RP'd police action (responding to a bar brawl) resulted in the execution of a police officer. The arrest of Rothschild resulted in ~10-15 Officers and Gendarmes losing their lives. Responding to a commotion at Nuckerberg's eatery resulted in ten Police being killed in a sustained terrorist attack.

We don't take chances any more.

Where do you get the funding for a SWAT operation every time there's a person needed for questioning? You're protecting the lives of your officers, I understand that, but you must find a way of doing that without violating the rights of Aurentine citizens.

Every Gendarme is equipped by default with a rifle, body armour etc. The standard vehicle of the Gendarmerie is this.

We're hardly violating anyone's rights. We'd hold them detained at the site, except one fainted and then had a stroke. He was taken to hospital where he will remain until well enough to be questioned, at which point he may be released without charge.

[Mediciano]

Where do you get the funding for a SWAT operation every time there's a person needed for questioning? You're protecting the lives of your officers, I understand that, but you must find a way of doing that without violating the rights of Aurentine citizens.

Every Gendarme is equipped by default with a rifle, body armour etc. The standard vehicle of the Gendarmerie is this.

We're hardly violating anyone's rights. We'd hold them detained at the site, except one fainted and then had a stroke. He was taken to hospital where he will remain until well enough to be questioned, at which point he may be released without charge.

Why is this a Gendarmerie operation at all... wouldn't the Constabulary be better suited to a low-scale op like the questioning of two civilians who haven't broken the law?

[Britcan]

Every Gendarme is equipped by default with a rifle, body armour etc. The standard vehicle of the Gendarmerie is this.

We're hardly violating anyone's rights. We'd hold them detained at the site, except one fainted and then had a stroke. He was taken to hospital where he will remain until well enough to be questioned, at which point he may be released without charge.

Why is this a Gendarmerie operation at all... wouldn't the Constabulary be better suited to a low-scale op like the questioning of two civilians who haven't broken the law?

It's hardly low-scale. It involves two Senators, important public figures, and is related to a terrorist organisation.

[Kouralia]

Every Gendarme is equipped by default with a rifle, body armour etc. The standard vehicle of the Gendarmerie is this.

We're hardly violating anyone's rights. We'd hold them detained at the site, except one fainted and then had a stroke. He was taken to hospital where he will remain until well enough to be questioned, at which point he may be released without charge.

Why is this a Gendarmerie operation at all... wouldn't the Constabulary be better suited to a low-scale op like the questioning of two civilians who haven't broken the law?

Because the civilian who spotted the relevant material contacted the Gendarmerie. (though their identity is to remain classified)

EDIT: and also what Brit said.

[The Nihilistic view]

Is the ANG really now saying they don't have to tell the person they are arresting why they are being arrested and what crime they are supposed to have committed?

[Kouralia]

Is the ANG really now saying they don't have to tell the person they are arresting why they are being arrested and what crime they are supposed to have committed?

We've already told him. The Corporal's not parroting it off on request - and probably doesn't even know the full story. Machiavelli's staying there until he's well enough, and then will be taken to the ANG facilities for questioning. As it is the Corporal's merely there to prevent someone interfering in it, like a security guard if you will.

[The Nihilistic view]

OOC:

1.2 - Upon arresting any person, the Constable must cite which section of the Law they have breached, and have their rights read to them: ‘You have the right to remain silent, however anything you do say can and could be taken down and be used in a court of law against you. beware of failing to mention something now which you later rely on in a Court of Law. You have the right to Legal Assistance.’ If this does not occur then the Custody Serjeant may refuse to take Custody of the Arrestee.

Note the ANG are included in the policing powers due to their establishment bill. The underlined has not been done and nor has it been done when den had is senator ask what the charges were again.

The laws broken were not cited upon the arrest.

[Kouralia]

OOC:

1.2 - Upon arresting any person, the Constable must cite which section of the Law they have breached, and have their rights read to them: ‘You have the right to remain silent, however anything you do say can and could be taken down and be used in a court of law against you. beware of failing to mention something now which you later rely on in a Court of Law. You have the right to Legal Assistance.’ If this does not occur then the Custody Serjeant may refuse to take Custody of the Arrestee.

Note the ANG are included in the policing powers due to their establishment bill. The underlined has not been done and nor has it been done when den had is senator ask what the charges were again.

The laws broken were not cited upon the arrest.

Because he had a stroke upon being told he was being arrested. We're not going to continue talking to an unconscious person.

ANyway, at the moment he is likely partially sedated on account of surgery in his head to locate the clots which caused the stroke and remove them. We're not going to waste time talking to him when he's not in full controls of his mental faculties.

[The Nihilistic view]

OOC:

Note the ANG are included in the policing powers due to their establishment bill. The underlined has not been done and nor has it been done when den had is senator ask what the charges were again.

The laws broken were not cited upon the arrest.

Because he had a stroke upon being told he was being arrested. We're not going to continue talking to an unconscious person.

ANyway, at the moment he is likely partially sedated on account of surgery in his head to locate the clots which caused the stroke and remove them. We're not going to waste time talking to him when he's not in full controls of his mental faculties.

So now he is awake and talking and asking what laws he is being charged under it is the ANG's duty to inform him.

[Kouralia]

Because he had a stroke upon being told he was being arrested. We're not going to continue talking to an unconscious person.

ANyway, at the moment he is likely partially sedated on account of surgery in his head to locate the clots which caused the stroke and remove them. We're not going to waste time talking to him when he's not in full controls of his mental faculties.

So now he is awake and talking and asking what laws he is being charged under it is the ANG's duty to inform him.

The arresting Officers have gone away, this guy is literally a security guard who doesn't know anything beyond 'this man is under arrest for terrorism charges, make sure he doesn't leave and no-one attacks him, we'll come back to continue his journey to the interview room when the doctors clear him to leave the hospital.'

While on paper what you ask may work, what it doesn't account for is the fact that he collapsed for a non-stress related injury and was promptly taken to hospital. The people who are important are doing important things, not babysitting an old man. It's amusing how complaints vary from 'why do you have so many assets deployed to this situation, it's oppreshun' to 'why do you not have enough assets deployed to this situation, it's oppreshun'.

EDIT: at the very least it would be 'suspicion of Complicity in Criminal Code E-I'

[Mediciano]

OOC:

Note the ANG are included in the policing powers due to their establishment bill. The underlined has not been done and nor has it been done when den had is senator ask what the charges were again.

The laws broken were not cited upon the arrest.

Because he had a stroke upon being told he was being arrested. We're not going to continue talking to an unconscious person.

ANyway, at the moment he is likely partially sedated on account of surgery in his head to locate the clots which caused the stroke and remove them. We're not going to waste time talking to him when he's not in full controls of his mental faculties.

Did you inform him of his rights when he was arrested? I don't remember that dialogue...

[The Nihilistic view]

Because he had a stroke upon being told he was being arrested. We're not going to continue talking to an unconscious person.

ANyway, at the moment he is likely partially sedated on account of surgery in his head to locate the clots which caused the stroke and remove them. We're not going to waste time talking to him when he's not in full controls of his mental faculties.

Did you inform him of his rights when he was arrested? I don't remember that dialogue...

He was read his rights but was not told what laws he was being arrested under.

[Britcan]

Because he had a stroke upon being told he was being arrested. We're not going to continue talking to an unconscious person.

ANyway, at the moment he is likely partially sedated on account of surgery in his head to locate the clots which caused the stroke and remove them. We're not going to waste time talking to him when he's not in full controls of his mental faculties.

Did you inform him of his rights when he was arrested? I don't remember that dialogue...

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[Kouralia]

Did you inform him of his rights when he was arrested? I don't remember that dialogue...

He was read his rights but was not told what laws he was being arrested under.

Mostly on account of him having a stroke.

[Britanno]

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Isn't this telling him why he's being arrested?

[The Nihilistic view]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=19714515#p19714515

Isn't this telling him why he's being arrested?

No, the laws being charged under have not been cited.

[Geilinor]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=19714515#p19714515

Isn't this telling him why he's being arrested?

No, the laws being charged under have not been cited.

The suspect had a stroke before he could be told.

[Mediciano]

No, the laws being charged under have not been cited.

The suspect had a stroke before he could be told.

And now he is revived... Why was he not immediately informed upon waking up?

[Kouralia]

The suspect had a stroke before he could be told.

And now he is revived... Why was he not immediately informed upon waking up?

Because the guy guarding him isn't involved enough in the investigation to tell him. He's a low ranking Gendarme assigned there as basically a security guard. When the Major in charge arrives to pick him up, he will be told.

[Britanno]

And now he is revived... Why was he not immediately informed upon waking up?

Because the new officer now responsible for him was not aware that he hadn't yet been informed.

[The Nihilistic view]

No, the laws being charged under have not been cited.

The suspect had a stroke before he could be told.

The order according to the law is first the charges are read and the law cited then the person being arrested is read their rights. So if the rights were read the charges could have also been read and the law cited. OR the Charges and law would have been cited and the rights not read due to the stroke.

[Britanno]

Well anyway, there is no IC evidence to suggest that Dendart wasn't read the charges, so you can't do shit.

[The Nihilistic view]

Well anyway, there is no IC evidence to suggest that Dendart wasn't read the charges, so you can't do shit.

So Dendart's senator is going to be killed now? nice.

[Britanno]

Well anyway, there is no IC evidence to suggest that Dendart wasn't read the charges, so you can't do shit.

So Dendart's senator is going to be killed now? nice.

You think the word of an old man who had a stroke is going to stand up in court?

[Britcan]

Well anyway, there is no IC evidence to suggest that Dendart wasn't read the charges, so you can't do shit.

So Dendart's senator is going to be killed now? nice.

Who's going to kill him?