NSG Senate Lobby: Four Scones and Seven Pastries Ago

[Haelunor]

How is it that we possibly had small pox? I thought there were only two specimens left, one in the United States and one in Russia. It seems highly unlikely the government of Aurentina could have gotten it's hands on either of the stocks.

Smallpox?

Yes, the telegram that has been released as evidence states that there was a specimen of smallpox on board the train. I want to know how anyone possibly got their hands on smallpox.

[Kouralia]

Attn. Dangelia and Dendart

In light of the recent trial Commonwealth vs Kruger the Monarchists Journal must publish the following corrrespondence.
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quoted for posterity

[The Nihilistic view]

What law has been broken?

[Kouralia]

What law has been broken?

Read the upper most TG, and then read the nation name on the google chrome tab in the top left.

[The Nihilistic view]

What law has been broken?

Read the upper most TG, and then read the nation name on the google chrome tab in the top left.

Yeah, so? Is being contacted by a group illegal now? The SJ are not an illegal organisation currently so not calling the police about the contact is not a crime.

[Unicario]

Read the upper most TG, and then read the nation name on the google chrome tab in the top left.

Yeah, so? Is being contacted by a group illegal now? The SJ are not an illegal organisation currently so not calling the police about the contact is not a crime.

Considering it's in relation to a cowardly terrorist attack on our soil, I think it's justifiable.

[New Zepuha]

Yeah, so? Is being contacted by a group illegal now? The SJ are not an illegal organisation currently so not calling the police about the contact is not a crime.

Considering it's in relation to a cowardly terrorist attack on our soil, I think it's justifiable.

I'd say so.

[Mediciano]

Read the upper most TG, and then read the nation name on the google chrome tab in the top left.

Yeah, so? Is being contacted by a group illegal now? The SJ are not an illegal organisation currently so not calling the police about the contact is not a crime.

Furthermore, the senators are part of a press organization. They published information, gathered by an independent reporter and not by themselves, from a criminal source. So what? News organizations do that all the time. National Geographic, Vice Media, any reporter ever to have interviewed an anonymous member of a gang... shall we arrest them all?

[New Zepuha]

Yeah, so? Is being contacted by a group illegal now? The SJ are not an illegal organisation currently so not calling the police about the contact is not a crime.

Furthermore, the senators are part of a press organization. They published information, gathered by an independent reporter and not by themselves, from a criminal source. So what? News organizations do that all the time. National Geographic, Vice Media, any reporter ever to have interviewed an anonymous member of a gang... shall we arrest them all?

But if he is working with him he should at the very least be detained and questioned.

[Mediciano]

Furthermore, the senators are part of a press organization. They published information, gathered by an independent reporter and not by themselves, from a criminal source. So what? News organizations do that all the time. National Geographic, Vice Media, any reporter ever to have interviewed an anonymous member of a gang... shall we arrest them all?

But if he is working with him he should at the very least be detained and questioned.

So why not call them in for questioning? You don't have to arrest everyone you want to speak with...

[Kouralia]

But if he is working with him he should at the very least be detained and questioned.

So why not call them in for questioning? You don't have to arrest everyone you want to speak with...

Because no one ever in the senate has gone along with that sort of stuff.

[The Nihilistic view]

Yeah, so? Is being contacted by a group illegal now? The SJ are not an illegal organisation currently so not calling the police about the contact is not a crime.

Considering it's in relation to a cowardly terrorist attack on our soil, I think it's justifiable.

It's not about whether it's justifiable to your own personal moral compass. It's about whether it is a legal action to arrest them. Currently from my searches it seems no crime has been committed in the actions of the paper.

The correct course of action would have been to go down to the paper and ask them questions about how it was delivered etc from who. Not launch a warrant and armed raid causing one man to have a stroke. Abuse of power is what it looks like.

And it also looks like using OOC information ICly.

[Mediciano]

So why not call them in for questioning? You don't have to arrest everyone you want to speak with...

Because no one ever in the senate has gone along with that sort of stuff.

Ah, so this was merely a way of ensuring they show up for questioning? Then what is the fleet of VM90 armoured vehicles doing surrounding the CMP headquarters? Is that not a little excessive, considering you merely want to talk to the senators? Would a summons or a subpoena not do?

[New Zepuha]

Considering it's in relation to a cowardly terrorist attack on our soil, I think it's justifiable.

It's not about whether it's justifiable to your own personal moral compass. It's about whether it is a legal action to arrest them. Currently from my searches it seems no crime has been committed in the actions of the paper.

The correct course of action would have been to go down to the paper and ask them questions about how it was delivered etc from who. Not launch a warrant and armed raid causing one man to have a stroke. Abuse of power is what it looks like.

And it also looks like using OOC information ICly.

The MoI is not liable for medical emergencies that were indirectly caused by a warrant.

[Kouralia]

Because no one ever in the senate has gone along with that sort of stuff.

Ah, so this was merely a way of ensuring they show up for questioning? Then what is the fleet of VM90 armoured vehicles doing surrounding the CMP headquarters? Is that not a little excessive, considering you merely want to talk to the senators? Would a summons or a subpoena not do?

To make sure that if they were RP'd as being 'not present' in the Papers and no-one knew where they were, then sooner or later they would make a post in their Party's HQ thread and be arrested. Same role as (but tempory deployment) the Gendarmes in the Lobby.

[The Nihilistic view]

So no crime has been committed I presume, since nobody can point me to the Law they are perceived to have broken and I can't find one in the archives.

[Mediciano]

Ah, so this was merely a way of ensuring they show up for questioning? Then what is the fleet of VM90 armoured vehicles doing surrounding the CMP headquarters? Is that not a little excessive, considering you merely want to talk to the senators? Would a summons or a subpoena not do?

To make sure that if they were RP'd as being 'not present' in the Papers and no-one knew where they were, then sooner or later they would make a post in their Party's HQ thread and be arrested. Same role as (but tempory deployment) the Gendarmes in the Lobby.

You needed an armoured convoy to facilitate the arrest of an elderly senator and a young man in the event that either one hobbled into his Party Headquarters? One gendarme or constable wouldn't have been sufficient?

[Kouralia]

The correct course of action would have been to go down to the paper and ask them questions about how it was delivered etc from who.

That's what we're doing. Except he had a stroke/fainted so we couldn't speak to him at the scene.

Not launch a warrant and armed raid causing one man to have a stroke.

All Gendarmes are armed. Any raid undertaken by Aurentine law enforcement is, by definition, an 'armed raid'.

Also, IIRC a stroke is not a stress induced injury, and thus has little relevance to his arrest.

And it also looks like using OOC information ICly.

If you publish documents ICly then it's IC information, simple as.

[Britcan]

To make sure that if they were RP'd as being 'not present' in the Papers and no-one knew where they were, then sooner or later they would make a post in their Party's HQ thread and be arrested. Same role as (but tempory deployment) the Gendarmes in the Lobby.

You needed an armoured convoy to facilitate the arrest of an elderly senator and a young man in the event that either one hobbled into his Party Headquarters? One gendarme or constable wouldn't have been sufficient?

Aurentina seems to have one of the highest rates of terrorism, mafia activity and general violence in the region. I'm not surprised that the Gendarmes are taking precautions when dealing with those suspected of high-profile criminal activity.

[Mediciano]

You needed an armoured convoy to facilitate the arrest of an elderly senator and a young man in the event that either one hobbled into his Party Headquarters? One gendarme or constable wouldn't have been sufficient?

Aurentina seems to have one of the highest rates of terrorism, mafia activity and general violence in the region. I'm not surprised that the Gendarmes are taking precautions when dealing with those suspected of high-profile criminal activity.

But that's the thing... they're not. They were merely wanted for questioning, not for suspected membership to illegal organizations or illegal actions. They've broken no laws and this prosecution is entirely without legal cause.

[Mediciano]

So no crime has been committed I presume, since nobody can point me to the Law they are perceived to have broken and I can't find one in the archives.

That, very probably, is because there is no crime that has been committed. I think that the Right should focus its efforts on identifying legal recourse for this systematic prosecution of opposition members...

[Kouralia]

Aurentina seems to have one of the highest rates of terrorism, mafia activity and general violence in the region.

Exactly. The very first RP'd police action (responding to a bar brawl) resulted in the execution of a police officer. The arrest of Rothschild resulted in ~10-15 Officers and Gendarmes losing their lives. Responding to a commotion at Nuckerberg's eatery resulted in ten Police being killed in a sustained terrorist attack.

We don't take chances any more.

[Mediciano]

Aurentina seems to have one of the highest rates of terrorism, mafia activity and general violence in the region.

Exactly. The very first RP'd police action (responding to a bar brawl) resulted in the execution of a police officer. The arrest of Rothschild resulted in ~10-15 Officers and Gendarmes losing their lives. Responding to a commotion at Nuckerberg's eatery resulted in ten Police being killed in a sustained terrorist attack.

We don't take chances any more.

Where do you get the funding for a SWAT operation every time there's a person needed for questioning? You're protecting the lives of your officers, I understand that, but you must find a way of doing that without violating the rights of Aurentine citizens.

[Britcan]

Exactly. The very first RP'd police action (responding to a bar brawl) resulted in the execution of a police officer. The arrest of Rothschild resulted in ~10-15 Officers and Gendarmes losing their lives. Responding to a commotion at Nuckerberg's eatery resulted in ten Police being killed in a sustained terrorist attack.

We don't take chances any more.

Where do you get the funding for a SWAT operation every time there's a person needed for questioning?

I doubt they use this much for every case, but the arrest of a Senator who is suspected of having links to a terrorist organisation is quite a substantial.

[The Nihilistic view]

The correct course of action would have been to go down to the paper and ask them questions about how it was delivered etc from who.

That's what we're doing. Except he had a stroke/fainted so we couldn't speak to him at the scene.

Not launch a warrant and armed raid causing one man to have a stroke.

All Gendarmes are armed. Any raid undertaken by Aurentine law enforcement is, by definition, an 'armed raid'.

Also, IIRC a stroke is not a stress induced injury, and thus has little relevance to his arrest.

And it also looks like using OOC information ICly.

If you publish documents ICly then it's IC information, simple as.

Ok then look at the tab, it is from the NationStates nation Stoermjagen. Many people have account names on the internet of famous groups or themes, but does that mean the group, theme, or person they are named after or referencing are 100% of the time behind the account and control it in RL? No, that would be silly. Anything outside the text box of the TG is OOC, or any TG for that matter.