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Postby Gidgetisms » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:25 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gidgetisms wrote:I think we're having a fairly civil conversation on it, besides a few posts that have gone too far.


i'm not so sure, gren is getting pounded for what moderation did ask us to do. I wouldnt go about it the way he is, ..... but it has been a moderation request.

pounded by whom?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:25 pm

Gidgetisms wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Again, all I'm hearing is criticism, and no alternative solutions.

*sigh* something written definitively would probably help, something we could link to as proof, rather than having a person saying "naughty, naughty". A new form of mod to enforce? Not with full mod capabilities, but with enough authority that we would concede?


Moderation on multiple occasions has asked for self policng of this thread, I think it is a horrible idea, but it is what they asked. In that sense Gren is only doing what has been asked of the user community.
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:25 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Seeing as we have confirmed masochists (Kannap), that lingers between a threat and a bribe.

Kannap is a girl and she is straight (I think)...

...


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The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Ironic ain't it, now there really IS 47% of the country that feels like victims.

........fuck it, you win the internet.

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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:26 pm

Gidgetisms wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
i'm not so sure, gren is getting pounded for what moderation did ask us to do. I wouldnt go about it the way he is, ..... but it has been a moderation request.

pounded by whom?

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The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Ironic ain't it, now there really IS 47% of the country that feels like victims.

........fuck it, you win the internet.

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Postby Grenartia » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:26 pm

Bralia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. Again, give me some time for the thread to die down, and I can link you to the posts.

2. It usually is, especially when the status quo doesn't change.

3. Again, gotta break a few eggs to make an omlette. If the problem would stop, we could drop the entire conversation.

4. Maybe they think I'm doing a good enough job speaking for them? That would be a question for them.

You know, I think all of this can be settled with a moderator's voice. I'm going to take this debate to Moderation and see what they think of it. Our debate has been civil and fair, but it's clearly not going to be resolved through any words between us.


Fair enough.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:26 pm

Gidgetisms wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
i'm not so sure, gren is getting pounded for what moderation did ask us to do. I wouldnt go about it the way he is, ..... but it has been a moderation request.

pounded by whom?


read the past 20 pages of this thread and make a list
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:26 pm

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Gren.. honestly, I like ya, except when you are on the soapbox. You think you're going about things the right way and in your mind, you are. But to the VAST OVERWHELMING MAJORITY that think you're wasting your time, which you are; you're acting like a prohibitionist wandering around a bar slapping people drinking beer with a rolled-up newspaper.


No. I'm like the resident putting up stop signs and wrong direction signs on a street where there's a lot of speeders and people driving the wrong way.


Yea, and you are putting WAY too many of them is what they are saying.
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Postby Gidgetisms » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:27 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gidgetisms wrote:*sigh* something written definitively would probably help, something we could link to as proof, rather than having a person saying "naughty, naughty". A new form of mod to enforce? Not with full mod capabilities, but with enough authority that we would concede?


Moderation on multiple occasions has asked for self policng of this thread, I think it is a horrible idea, but it is what they asked. In that sense Gren is only doing what has been asked of the user community.

but he is the only one, and on things that aren't that high of a priority. It comes across as griefing almost
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Postby Uieurnthlaal » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:27 pm

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Uieurnthlaal wrote:I know that, and it makes me feel sad and irrelevant. But unfortunately those feelings will not change anything, and it would still be a bad idea to discuss whatever you want to discuss with random strangers.

You aren't irrelevant. All it is is that I don't wish to talk to you about deep things like me wishing to be dead, is all. I don't want you to feel unimportant.

I'm almost 16! Look at how grown up I am! I can handle that! Joking aside, there's little you could do about changing my insecurities. You don't need to bother with it, especially when you have much bigger problems to deal with yourself. I wouldn't want to pester you with my own wishes to feel inherently relevant by talking to other people about their deepest problems.
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Postby Gidgetisms » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:27 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gidgetisms wrote:pounded by whom?


read the past 20 pages of this thread and make a list

I suppose I'm on that list as well, but what can ya do
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:27 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gidgetisms wrote:pounded by whom?


read the past 20 pages of this thread and make a list

Meh, this is more like a gentle cudgeling.
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The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Ironic ain't it, now there really IS 47% of the country that feels like victims.

........fuck it, you win the internet.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:28 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gidgetisms wrote:*sigh* something written definitively would probably help, something we could link to as proof, rather than having a person saying "naughty, naughty". A new form of mod to enforce? Not with full mod capabilities, but with enough authority that we would concede?


Moderation on multiple occasions has asked for self policng of this thread, I think it is a horrible idea, but it is what they asked. In that sense Gren is only doing what has been asked of the user community.


I think this is a horrible idea, the whole self-policing bit I mean.

My qualm is exactly this. It's being detracting in general about the whole thing and this is going nowhere because some of us feel like drilling the point, while others feel it's not such a big deal.
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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:28 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Qazox wrote:
Gren.. honestly, I like ya, except when you are on the soapbox. You think you're going about things the right way and in your mind, you are. But to the VAST OVERWHELMING MAJORITY that think you're wasting your time, which you are; you're acting like a prohibitionist wandering around a bar slapping people drinking beer with a rolled-up newspaper.


No. I'm like the resident putting up stop signs and wrong direction signs on a street where there's a lot of speeders and people driving the wrong way.

you're the overzealous traffic cop who shoots double parkers in the face

just caaaaalm doooown. Rest. Come back later with a clear mind.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:29 pm

Gidgetisms wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Moderation on multiple occasions has asked for self policng of this thread, I think it is a horrible idea, but it is what they asked. In that sense Gren is only doing what has been asked of the user community.

but he is the only one, and on things that aren't that high of a priority. It comes across as griefing almost



his methodoogy is ....unique, but he is not only one, i have asked for their to be less spam in the thread when it got out of hand, others have as well, but it is up to htem to step up and say so for themselves, or you could search the last couple of tet's for moderators comments or individuals
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The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Taoju » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:29 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
No. I'm like the resident putting up stop signs and wrong direction signs on a street where there's a lot of speeders and people driving the wrong way.


Yea, and you are putting WAY too many of them is what they are saying.

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Postby Grenartia » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:29 pm

Taoju wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Again, all I'm hearing is criticism, and no alternative solutions.

Do you want an alternate solution? Encourage what people can do, not dictate what they cannot do.

Easy.


That's what I've been doing when I ask people not to greetspam. I've told them how they can avoid greetspamming when saying hi.
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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:29 pm

Wow, everybody steals the Star Wars flag idea.


Mine is best.


Also, hi and bye from your friendly neighborhood Nazi-Communist Jew. Busy life.

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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:29 pm

Thafoo wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
No. I'm like the resident putting up stop signs and wrong direction signs on a street where there's a lot of speeders and people driving the wrong way.

you're the overzealous traffic cop who shoots double parkers in the face

just caaaaalm doooown. Rest. Come back later with a clear mind.

Or the Mayor who runs over illegally parked vehicles with a fucking tank.
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Postby New Maldorainia » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:30 pm

Hathradic States wrote:Wow, everybody steals the Star Wars flag idea.


Mine is best.


Also, hi and bye from your friendly neighborhood Nazi-Communist Jew. Busy life.


Come back here you!!! >:(
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Postby New haven america » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:30 pm

Hathradic States wrote:Wow, everybody steals the Star Wars flag idea.


Mine is best.


Also, hi and bye from your friendly neighborhood Nazi-Communist Jew. Busy life.

I thought they were stealing Div's... :unsure:
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:31 pm

Gidgetisms wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
read the past 20 pages of this thread and make a list

I suppose I'm on that list as well, but what can ya do


stop pounding the kid.
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The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby New Maldorainia » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:31 pm

New haven america wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Wow, everybody steals the Star Wars flag idea.


Mine is best.


Also, hi and bye from your friendly neighborhood Nazi-Communist Jew. Busy life.

I thought they were stealing Div's... :unsure:


Hath did it before it was cool.
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:31 pm

New haven america wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Wow, everybody steals the Star Wars flag idea.


Mine is best.


Also, hi and bye from your friendly neighborhood Nazi-Communist Jew. Busy life.

I thought they were stealing Div's... :unsure:

Nah, his had that green paint stain on it.
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The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Ironic ain't it, now there really IS 47% of the country that feels like victims.

........fuck it, you win the internet.

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Postby Taoju » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:31 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Taoju wrote:Do you want an alternate solution? Encourage what people can do, not dictate what they cannot do.

Easy.


That's what I've been doing when I ask people not to greetspam. I've told them how they can avoid greetspamming when saying hi.

Focus on ecouragement. Your method of micromanaging people's posts is frankly silly. Lay off that bit. Focus solely on encouragement. Understand? Now get some fresh air or something, ease your mind. Understand? This is an order.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:31 pm

Gidgetisms wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Again, all I'm hearing is criticism, and no alternative solutions.

*sigh* something written definitively would probably help, something we could link to as proof, rather than having a person saying "naughty, naughty". A new form of mod to enforce? Not with full mod capabilities, but with enough authority that we would concede?


Wasn't that proposed and shot down by the mods in the NSG Culture threads?

Also, I asked them to start putting the post I have linked in my sig in the OP, and Trans said they were discussing it.
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