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Should the TET crowd set up a TET IRC chat?

Yes
80
26%
No
82
26%
Skype's better!
63
20%
WTF is IRC?
86
28%
 
Total votes : 311

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Grenartia
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Founded: Feb 14, 2010
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:11 pm

New Maldorainia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Its not spam. Its a legitimate topic of conversation on how to improve the thread, while pointing out that certain styles of posting are detrimental to the quality of this thread.


Seems more like griefing.


Its not.

Soldati senza confini wrote:
New haven america wrote:Gren has decided "To stop the declining quality of the thread to stop"


Meh, it's not like TET is a 5-star, quality-debating-skills, essay-only thread.

Hence, the very significance of "let's stop the declining quality of the thread" is very, VERY subjective and hence, irrelevant.


I'm not asking for "quality debating skills" or "essays only". I'm asking for no more spam. There is a difference.

Big Jim P wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Meh, it's not like TET is a 5-star, quality-debating-skills, essay-only thread.

Hence, the very significance of "let's stop the declining quality of the thread" is very, VERY subjective and hence, irrelevant.


Indeed. Just because Gren thinks it is spam, doesn't mean it is. One mans spam is another mans amusing post.


Its not just me. Also, pseudo RP BELONGS IN F7. NOT NSG. TET IS IN NSG, NOT F7. THEREFORE, PSEUDO RP DOES NOT BELONG IN TET. And greetspam has already been deemed to be spam by the mods.

What about these facts is so hard to understand?

Big Jim P wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
The problem is, greeting without substance encourages greetspam.


Greeting people in a room, especially if you have friends in the room is basic courtesy.


Again, you can greet while positively contributing to the thread. See: CC's earlier post.

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
However you slice it, there's a problem with spam here. A TETtiquette guideline will help alleviate the problem.


TETtiquette?! Really?!

Are we going to actually add a style guide for, you know, something so irrelevant as TET?


Have you not noticed that this place is getting spammier? Especially with regards to pseudo-RP?

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
However you slice it, there's a problem with spam here. A TETtiquette guideline will help alleviate the problem.


Sure Gren. Whatever you say.

How've you been? I can ask that, I hope.


I've been bored. And cold. And yes, you can ask that. I don't see where you'd get the idea you couldn't.

Ethel mermania wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Well, the thing is, TET was made to serve NSG's chat needs, because it was determined by looking at how WHYLT played out that we did need our own chat thread, and that going to F7 wouldn't solve the issue. So I don't agree with taking TET out of NSG.

i disagree with a bit that you said this evening, but i agree with you there. F7 chat and nsg chat are different things.


Exactly.

Mushet wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Not really. A pseudo-RPer can currently say "I'm not spamming". My proposed solution makes it clear that pseudo RP is spam, and belongs in F7.

They'll adapt to the norms, I used to put everything I said in quotation marks in an RP like style, I abandoned that.


The problem is that lately, said adaptations haven't really been happening. So we've got to make it clear what the norms and standards are.

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Mushet wrote:They'll adapt to the norms, I used to put everything I said in quotation marks in an RP like style, I abandoned that.


It's basically just adapting to the people around you.

If all posters post in a style distinctive and different of your own, you'll try to fit in eventually.


The big problem is that so many people came in with a spammy style, and nobody made an attempt to correct it, so the new people and the ones that came after kept thinking it was ok.

Hydronium wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Not really. A pseudo-RPer can currently say "I'm not spamming". My proposed solution makes it clear that pseudo RP is spam, and belongs in F7.

But, then again, you consider Pseudo-RPing to be spam. Sometimes, it can be spam (Example: 50 people *glomp*ing each other), but others, it could be interesting and even useful. Plus, TFR has kinda been filled with spam, which would be why we need TFR, TET, and TFW, to mediate between the Pseudo-RPers, the conversers, and the spammers.


In this subforum, it is spam. Maybe not in the Roo and other parts of F7. But it is here. NSG has different standards than F7. And make no mistake, TET, from its start, has been an NSG thread.

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. Its not spam. Its legitimate conversation that belongs on NSG.

2. No, I'm acting like a poster who doesn't like spam.


1. No, probably is just you complaining about an inane issue nobody takes serious grievances about.

2. You're acting like a poster who has an issue that you see, but I don't.


1. Its not just me. Its other posters, too. Nana has admitted at least one of my points is valid.

2. You don't see it because you came in here after the decline had already started.

Darwinish Brentsylvania wrote:Wow by the time I wake up TET will have a new thread, or maybe it won't, either way, this TET took so long, it's taken us, what, 6+ days to hit the post count! that's a record.


No, it isn't.
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New Maldorainia
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Founded: Feb 27, 2013
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Postby New Maldorainia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:12 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Holy shit. Mama Nana has to cook. @.@

See ya later, TET!


Bye Nana. :hug:
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Big Jim P
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:13 pm

New Maldorainia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Holy shit. Mama Nana has to cook. @.@

See ya later, TET!


Bye Nana. :hug:


I am off as well. See you all later.
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New Maldorainia
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Postby New Maldorainia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:14 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
New Maldorainia wrote:
Dern New Yorkers, forcing new words on people. :p


I have a few of them saying y'all, so it's all good. :twisted:


Good work Jim. :twisted:
The Walrus God of NS (arch-nemesis to Big Jim), plus a really strange Jewish cowboy libertarian conservative (Fusionism) believe in Laissez-faire free trade capitalism. Most people call me Mal, Mald, or Maldo.
Nanatsu no Tsuki is my Big Sis Grumpy Cat. She calls me Maru.
Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of man, that state is obsolete. ----Rod Serling, from "The Obsolete Man".

Zionist, deal with it.
Economic Left/Right: 8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.28
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/270530
I side with ... | Political Compass Chart
No surprise

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New Maldorainia
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Founded: Feb 27, 2013
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Postby New Maldorainia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:14 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
New Maldorainia wrote:
Bye Nana. :hug:


I am off as well. See you all later.


Later Satan.
The Walrus God of NS (arch-nemesis to Big Jim), plus a really strange Jewish cowboy libertarian conservative (Fusionism) believe in Laissez-faire free trade capitalism. Most people call me Mal, Mald, or Maldo.
Nanatsu no Tsuki is my Big Sis Grumpy Cat. She calls me Maru.
Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of man, that state is obsolete. ----Rod Serling, from "The Obsolete Man".

Zionist, deal with it.
Economic Left/Right: 8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.28
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/270530
I side with ... | Political Compass Chart
No surprise

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Hydronium
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Founded: Oct 31, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Hydronium » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:15 pm

I officially no longer care about the whole "Spammer Crisis" in TET. It seems like something that will work itself out.

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Menassa
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Founded: Aug 11, 2010
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Postby Menassa » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:16 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Hladgos wrote:1. How will these rules even be emforced? Moderaters? 2. I feel like this is kindof a big thing that doesn't exactly need to happen. 3. Usually when people are being annoying they are called out for it, and either stop posting, or grow up slowly.


1. Hopefully, we can ask the mods to add it to the OP. There, we can link violators to the OP, to show them they should stop, and from there, we use varying degrees of social pressure until its shown we need to call the mods in.

2. Do you not see the spam in TET? Do you not notice its quality degrading?

3. Except they haven't been lately, because we got loads of new people when the Wombat closed, who thought TET was the same as the Wombat, and started turning it into such, and instead of pointing it out so it could be corrected, people began to leave. And then new people came in, saw the new state of the thread, and assumed that's what the standards were, and it just kept snowballing from there. Others and myself have decided to draw a line in the sand.

Barring my cynicism I am behind you 200%
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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:17 pm

Hydronium wrote:I officially no longer care about the whole "Spammer Crisis" in TET. It seems like something that will work itself out.


No, it won't, because it would've already worked itself out. Something has to happen in order for it to get done.
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Reject tradition, embrace modernity.
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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:19 pm

Menassa wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. Hopefully, we can ask the mods to add it to the OP. There, we can link violators to the OP, to show them they should stop, and from there, we use varying degrees of social pressure until its shown we need to call the mods in.

2. Do you not see the spam in TET? Do you not notice its quality degrading?

3. Except they haven't been lately, because we got loads of new people when the Wombat closed, who thought TET was the same as the Wombat, and started turning it into such, and instead of pointing it out so it could be corrected, people began to leave. And then new people came in, saw the new state of the thread, and assumed that's what the standards were, and it just kept snowballing from there. Others and myself have decided to draw a line in the sand.

Barring my cynicism I am behind you 200%



Thank you. Your support's appreciated.
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Reject tradition, embrace modernity.
People who call themselves based NEVER are.
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Ionian Knights
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Postby Ionian Knights » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:20 pm

DRAMA ON SKYPE!

Run! :shock:
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Divair
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Postby Divair » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:21 pm

Ionian Knights wrote:DRAMA ON SKYPE!

Run! :shock:

Hardly.

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New Maldorainia
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Postby New Maldorainia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:21 pm

Ionian Knights wrote:DRAMA ON SKYPE!

Run! :shock:


Your gf misbehaving again?
The Walrus God of NS (arch-nemesis to Big Jim), plus a really strange Jewish cowboy libertarian conservative (Fusionism) believe in Laissez-faire free trade capitalism. Most people call me Mal, Mald, or Maldo.
Nanatsu no Tsuki is my Big Sis Grumpy Cat. She calls me Maru.
Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of man, that state is obsolete. ----Rod Serling, from "The Obsolete Man".

Zionist, deal with it.
Economic Left/Right: 8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.28
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/270530
I side with ... | Political Compass Chart
No surprise

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Menassa
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Founded: Aug 11, 2010
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Postby Menassa » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:21 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Menassa wrote:Barring my cynicism I am behind you 200%



Thank you. Your support's appreciated.

That's a reason why I asked for the IRC poll(s) for if there is one the greetspam can go there and no one would be bothered.
Radical Monotheist
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:22 pm

Ionian Knights wrote:DRAMA ON SKYPE!

Run! :shock:


What's going on?
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New haven america
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:22 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Hydronium wrote:I officially no longer care about the whole "Spammer Crisis" in TET. It seems like something that will work itself out.


No, it won't, because it would've already worked itself out. Something has to happen in order for it to get done.

With "something" translating to= "Whining and complaining about something that only a small population of NS actually cares"
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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:24 pm

New haven america wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
No, it won't, because it would've already worked itself out. Something has to happen in order for it to get done.

With "something" translating to= "Whining and complaining about something that only a small population of NS actually cares"


Its called pushing for change.
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Gallade
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Founded: Jul 14, 2009
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Postby Gallade » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:24 pm

Ionian Knights wrote:DRAMA ON SKYPE!

Run! :shock:

Nah, I'll stay lounging on my bed eating a ham sandwich if it's all the same, cheers.
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New haven america
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:25 pm

Ionian Knights wrote:DRAMA ON SKYPE!

Run! :shock:

Nah. :P
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That's all folks~

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Uieurnthlaal
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Postby Uieurnthlaal » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:25 pm

Ionian Knights wrote:DRAMA ON SKYPE!

Run! :shock:

Thank stay off Skype. What happened?
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Divair
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Postby Divair » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:25 pm

-snip-
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:26 pm

Gallade wrote:
Ionian Knights wrote:DRAMA ON SKYPE!

Run! :shock:

Nah, I'll stay lounging on my bed eating a ham sandwich if it's all the same, cheers.


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Grenartia
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Founded: Feb 14, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:26 pm

Divair wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
What's going on?

Kat's under my bed.


Hawt.
Lib-left. Antifascist, antitankie, anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist (including the imperialism of non-western countries). Christian (Unitarian Universalist). Background in physics.
Mostly a girl. She or they pronouns, please. Unrepentant transbian.
Reject tradition, embrace modernity.
People who call themselves based NEVER are.
The truth about kids transitioning.

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Divair
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Postby Divair » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:26 pm

-snip-
Last edited by Divair on Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:27 pm

Menassa wrote:
Grenartia wrote:

Thank you. Your support's appreciated.

That's a reason why I asked for the IRC poll(s) for if there is one the greetspam can go there and no one would be bothered.


you mean the stupid poll is your fault?
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 



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Grenartia
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Founded: Feb 14, 2010
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:27 pm

Divair wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Hawt.

She is, and I quote, a "very kinky baby".


I could've told you that. :p
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Reject tradition, embrace modernity.
People who call themselves based NEVER are.
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