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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:34 pm

In honor of the occasion, why not grant a new trial to all convicted felons?

After all, many of them actually are what they say there are ...innocent.
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Postby Sibirsky » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:34 pm

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Sibirsky wrote:He was fired for not complying with company policy.


Correct, and so what the principle at a Catholic School for engaging in behavior that the Church sees as immoral,

So what's the problem?
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:34 pm

KISS Nation wrote:I reject the notion that young children can choose/were born with/whatever different genders than their sex. We must consider everyone to have the same sex as their gender initially, and when they reach the age of majority they can do whatever they want.


Which hurts trans* children psychologically. Many of us KNOW from a young age that we're not the gender typically associated with our sex.

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It's okay that you believe that.... Licensed and trained professionals who have studies these sorts of things disagree with your opinion. As such, I take the suggestions and finding of professionals over laymen.

:roll: I'd hate to live in a world where I have to worry about calling a kid "little boy" and he shouts back at me that he considers himself a girl. Assume that people's sex=gender. I mean, the vast majority of people are. It's the same as assuming people are heterosexual.


If you think that being expected to use common fucking courtesy is a bad thing, then maybe we should pursue convincing people to use it even more.

Also, I have very serious concerns about you knowing a child's sex if you're not their doctor or family member.

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Menassa wrote:I assume the Jews are a protected class as well, and making antisemitic statements about Jews based off religious belief is as well an issue.


I don't really compare the history of the Jews to the "struggle" of homosexuals, but I would not condone it but, antisemitic statements based on religion is still protected speech.


If you think that our struggle isn't real and comparable to the struggles of other minorities who've historically been persecuted for no legitimate reason, then you have problems with accepting reality.

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Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Maybe that's fine for you, but it sure as hell ain't for transsexual people. Seriously, you got a problem with people's gender identity?

Hey, if people want to be a girl or whatever, that's cool, but let's not make up new genders to describe it.


Except, its not "making up new genders". Its recognizing ones that already fucking exist.
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Postby Arumdaum » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:35 pm

Anyone know the next places that are going to legalize same-sex marriage?
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Postby Sibirsky » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:35 pm

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Sibirsky wrote: :palm:
1. I did not claim that capitalism eliminated poverty.
2. I claimed capitalism has reduced poverty. That's a fact.
3. Africa is not capitalist.
4. Hundreds of millions of people have been lifted out of poverty in Asia, by capitalism.
5. Maybe you should not say things that's not relevant to the thread?

You're knowingly escalating the threadjack. This is about LGBT rights and issues, not why the free market is so flawless or whatever.

Do all of you have reading comprehension problems?
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:35 pm

Arumdaum wrote:Anyone know the next places that are going to legalize same-sex marriage?

Throw a dart at any country, see where it lands, make a prediction.

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Postby Aeken » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:35 pm

Pope Joan wrote:In honor of the occasion, why not grant a new trial to all convicted felons?

After all, many of them actually are what they say there are ...innocent.

Wat.

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Postby The Traditional Catholic Papal States » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:36 pm

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Again, your not understanding my point. And they are not killed for "being gay", they are killed for homosexual behavior, and that is unjust. But I well say it again, I, and many "homophobes" don't view someone's sexual act or their attractions as part of their identity.

Yes, because "homosexual behavior" is so totally bad. Yes, having sex with another man, or thinking about guys while you masturbate, is so God damn bad. Oh, it's the end of the world! Oh, if we allow it then Satan shall return! :palm:


I tell can tell your very hostile, but I will respond anyway. Yes, some people, such as myself don't view homosexual behavior as "natural", "good" and currently not an expression of love. And show me where I said "then Satan shall return"?
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Postby Sibirsky » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:36 pm

Arumdaum wrote:Anyone know the next places that are going to legalize same-sex marriage?

The most liberal western jurisdictions that have not already done so?
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:36 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:You're knowingly escalating the threadjack. This is about LGBT rights and issues, not why the free market is so flawless or whatever.

Do all of you have reading comprehension problems?

It doesn't matter what he said regarding the free market; please stop encouraging threadjacking.

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:37 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:You're knowingly escalating the threadjack. This is about LGBT rights and issues, not why the free market is so flawless or whatever.

Do all of you have reading comprehension problems?

I'd say no, considering most of us are trying to stay true to the topic at hand. Which is LGBT RIGHTS AND ISSUES. If someone's comments really piss you off so badly, TG them or something.
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Postby The Traditional Catholic Papal States » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:37 pm

Grenartia wrote:
KISS Nation wrote:I reject the notion that young children can choose/were born with/whatever different genders than their sex. We must consider everyone to have the same sex as their gender initially, and when they reach the age of majority they can do whatever they want.


Which hurts trans* children psychologically. Many of us KNOW from a young age that we're not the gender typically associated with our sex.

KISS Nation wrote: :roll: I'd hate to live in a world where I have to worry about calling a kid "little boy" and he shouts back at me that he considers himself a girl. Assume that people's sex=gender. I mean, the vast majority of people are. It's the same as assuming people are heterosexual.


If you think that being expected to use common fucking courtesy is a bad thing, then maybe we should pursue convincing people to use it even more.

Also, I have very serious concerns about you knowing a child's sex if you're not their doctor or family member.

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I don't really compare the history of the Jews to the "struggle" of homosexuals, but I would not condone it but, antisemitic statements based on religion is still protected speech.


If you think that our struggle isn't real and comparable to the struggles of other minorities who've historically been persecuted for no legitimate reason, then you have problems with accepting reality.

KISS Nation wrote:Hey, if people want to be a girl or whatever, that's cool, but let's not make up new genders to describe it.


Except, its not "making up new genders". Its recognizing ones that already fucking exist.



No, I don't compare the goal of wanting people to view homosexual behavior as an expression of love as the same as the struggles of other minorities.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:37 pm

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Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Yes, because "homosexual behavior" is so totally bad. Yes, having sex with another man, or thinking about guys while you masturbate, is so God damn bad. Oh, it's the end of the world! Oh, if we allow it then Satan shall return! :palm:


I tell can tell your very hostile, but I will respond anyway. Yes, some people, such as myself don't view homosexual behavior as "natural", "good" and currently not an expression of love. And show me where I said "then Satan shall return"?

That opinion is wrong. Homosexuality is caused by biology, and is found in most mammal species; the idea that it ain't natural is fucking ridiculous. And I was mocking the ridiculous idea that homosexuality is a bad thing.

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:37 pm

Arumdaum wrote:Anyone know the next places that are going to legalize same-sex marriage?

Uganda, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, and India.
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:38 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:Anyone know the next places that are going to legalize same-sex marriage?

Throw a dart at any country, see where it lands, make a prediction.

TBH, I'm thinking Colorado or a state on the Eastern Seaboard will legalize it.

Maybe a European country.
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Postby KISS Nation » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:38 pm

Grenartia wrote:Except, its not "making up new genders". Its recognizing ones that already fucking exist.

So if I went up to someone in the medieval era, and somehow I knew their word for "gender", and I said, "hello, do you know what an agendered person is?" they would instantly be able to tell me about their cousin who was agendered and their extensive knowledge on it? These are invented genders, in addition to man and woman.
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Postby Astograth » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:38 pm

The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Yes, because "homosexual behavior" is so totally bad. Yes, having sex with another man, or thinking about guys while you masturbate, is so God damn bad. Oh, it's the end of the world! Oh, if we allow it then Satan shall return! :palm:


I tell can tell your very hostile, but I will respond anyway. Yes, some people, such as myself don't view homosexual behavior as "natural", "good" and currently not an expression of love. And show me where I said "then Satan shall return"?

Is it unacceptably wrong if it does not harm anyone?

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Postby KISS Nation » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:38 pm

Pope Joan wrote:In honor of the occasion, why not grant a new trial to all convicted felons?

After all, many of them actually are what they say there are ...innocent.

But he was convicted of homosexuality.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:38 pm

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Blasveck wrote:Are you aware of the history of violence against homosexuals?


Yes, and violence against homosexuals is wrong but I don't believe that not approving of homosexual behavior is going to lead me to committing violence against an homosexual. 1. Plus, I believe in all of human history, the Jew and ethnic minorities have faced a lot of discrimination than homosexuals. 2. Plus, I don't view the goal of homosexual activists of changing the people like me opinion's on homosexuality or make us shut up are equal to voting rights for ethnic minorities or religious rights for Jews.

3. This comes down to the view that homosexual activists have that unchosen sexual orientation/attraction is equal to someone's skin color, eye color or hair color, that just because someone does not choose to have such feelings must mean someone is born with them. That is simply not true. 4. There are many characteristics that are unchosen but implanted after birth.


1. Actually, they're about the same.

2. Of course you wouldn't, because you don't support us, but you support Jews.

3. It is.

4. Doesn't make oppressing us for those characteristics any less wrong, especially when there's nothing inherently wrong with them.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:39 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Except, its not "making up new genders". Its recognizing ones that already fucking exist.

So if I went up to someone in the medieval era, and somehow I knew their word for "gender", and I said, "hello, do you know what an agendered person is?" they would instantly be able to tell me about their cousin who was agendered and their extensive knowledge on it? These are invented genders, in addition to man and woman.

No it ain't. It's called a man mentally being a woman or vice-versa.

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Postby KISS Nation » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:40 pm

Astograth wrote:
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I tell can tell your very hostile, but I will respond anyway. Yes, some people, such as myself don't view homosexual behavior as "natural", "good" and currently not an expression of love. And show me where I said "then Satan shall return"?

Is it unacceptably wrong if it does not harm anyone?

It vastly contributes to the spread of STDs and medical issues related to homosexual acts.
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Postby KISS Nation » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:40 pm

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KISS Nation wrote:So if I went up to someone in the medieval era, and somehow I knew their word for "gender", and I said, "hello, do you know what an agendered person is?" they would instantly be able to tell me about their cousin who was agendered and their extensive knowledge on it? These are invented genders, in addition to man and woman.

No it ain't. It's called a man mentally being a woman or vice-versa.

Well, in that case, they're a woman.

Mystery solved. I'm not against trans people, but I am against making up new genders to describe them.
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Postby Aeken » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:40 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Astograth wrote:Is it unacceptably wrong if it does not harm anyone?

It vastly contributes to the spread of STDs and medical issues related to homosexual acts.

Hooray for generalizations.

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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:41 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Astograth wrote:Is it unacceptably wrong if it does not harm anyone?

It vastly contributes to the spread of STDs and medical issues related to homosexual acts.

Heterosexual sex spreads STDs too, you know. Should that be banned? Oh, wait, heterosexuality is superior to homosexuality somehow, so of course not! :roll:

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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:41 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Astograth wrote:Is it unacceptably wrong if it does not harm anyone?

It vastly contributes to the spread of STDs and medical issues related to homosexual acts.

So does straight anal sex, pregnancy, and blood transfusions. Use protection and it's fine.

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