Mod-Sanctioned LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Osterreichischen Faschistischen Republik]

It is a problem, many National Socialist scientists and psychologists proved it.

Being a member of the SS, one of my grandfather's duties was to arrest enemies of the state.

They were not being forced, they were simply treated and cured

1: Yes, many Nazi scientists who thought Adolf Hitler was god proved it
2: Gay are such big enemies that they had to be tortured to submission
3: You can't cure something like that. You would have to reset the entire genetic code. If the Nazi's had that power, its a good job we destroyed them when we did.

They did not worship Hitler.

They are enemies in such that they are counter-revolutionary.

Things like Homosexuality had no place in a National Socialist state, therefore are a threat to the state.

I doubt that very much.

[Wazkyraque]

It is a problem, many National Socialist scientists and psychologists proved it.

You would be wrong, their data has been falsified. Just as Lemarck's theories have been falsified. They are archaic and have been disproven by inconsistencies in data pointed out by more contemporary psychologists, neurologists, and biologists and it was finally denounced as a disorder in the 1970's.

Feel free to continue this notion, but acknowledge that this facet of your argument is false.

[Divair]

Guys, why are you taking this guy seriously?

Nothing you say to him will change anything.

People love to feed.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Of course that didn't stop us from giving Japanese scientists a free pass in exchange for their equally inhumane expierimentations in unit 731 now did it?

This is a common point of confusion. The above quote referred to Mengele, and it wasn't that the experiments were so disturbing that they refused to use them, it was that they were scientifically unusable because gathering useful data was never the point of them.

Mengele was a sadist and a megalomaniac, who pretended to be doing "research" as a flimsy justification for torture.

True, the point of Mengele was not to be a researcher, but rather a sadist in concentration camps.

[Osterreichischen Faschistischen Republik]

There's no reason to kill homosexuals, they were not killed.

Even if they wanted to, at that time they were experiencing manpower shortages, and would not exterminate Germans because they were homosexual.

The fact is that they came out of the hospitals no longer having homosexual tendencies.

You have yet to prove any of this bullshit.

I have done it before, but people tell me they don't want to read it.

[Grenartia]

1. And the Earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese, amirite?
2. You can't cure something that isn't a problem. Also, you can't change sexual orientation.
3. Only if you consider death and forcing oneself back into the closet to be "cures". Which is like saying that bloodletting cures the flu.
4. Doubt it.
5. Being forced back into the closet to keep from dying isn't a cure. Its oppression.

1. It is a problem, many National Socialist scientists and psychologists proved it.

2. Being a member of the SS, one of my grandfather's duties was to arrest enemies of the state.

3. They were not being forced, they were simply treated and cured

1. No, its not, as it harms nobody without their informed consent. And no, they didn't.
2. I'm sure he did. However, they shouldn't have been considered "enemies of the state" in the first place. And the "results" were faked.
3. If by "not forced" and "treated and cured" you mean sent to a concentration camp at gunpoint and threatened with the gas chamber if they didn't crawl back in the closet, then sure.

[Geilinor]

1: Yes, many Nazi scientists who thought Adolf Hitler was god proved it
2: Gay are such big enemies that they had to be tortured to submission
3: You can't cure something like that. You would have to reset the entire genetic code. If the Nazi's had that power, its a good job we destroyed them when we did.

Things like Homosexuality had no place in a National Socialist state

Why?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Except the useful ones.... Like hypothermia treatments and Asprin.

Yea, but there were others like injecting cold air into a person's arteries and seeing how their bodies react to it, the twin experiments, and plenty of others that no medical expert after the war and the Nuremberg Trials would touch with a 10-foot pole.

That's cause they were pointless. They only caused pain.

[Osterreichischen Faschistischen Republik]

1. It is a problem, many National Socialist scientists and psychologists proved it.

2. Being a member of the SS, one of my grandfather's duties was to arrest enemies of the state.

3. They were not being forced, they were simply treated and cured

1. No, its not, as it harms nobody without their informed consent. And no, they didn't.
2. I'm sure he did. However, they shouldn't have been considered "enemies of the state" in the first place. And the "results" were faked.
3. If by "not forced" and "treated and cured" you mean sent to a concentration camp at gunpoint and threatened with the gas chamber if they didn't crawl back in the closet, then sure.

This appears to be biased.

You probably think National Socialist Germany was some kind of evil empire.

They were enemies because homosexuality is against the National Socialist ideology, and thus were a threat to the establishment.

They were not sent to the labor camps at gunpoint, they were sent to hospitals in order to be treated and cured.

[Regnum Dominae]

Things like Homosexuality had no place in a National Socialist state

Who cares what nazis want and don't want?

[Osterreichischen Faschistischen Republik]

Things like Homosexuality had no place in a National Socialist state

Why?

Because in National Socialism, traditional family values are a core idea.

The house of a husband and wife are the only way for a society in National Socialism.

[Geilinor]

1. No, its not, as it harms nobody without their informed consent. And no, they didn't.
2. I'm sure he did. However, they shouldn't have been considered "enemies of the state" in the first place. And the "results" were faked.
3. If by "not forced" and "treated and cured" you mean sent to a concentration camp at gunpoint and threatened with the gas chamber if they didn't crawl back in the closet, then sure.

They were enemies because homosexuality is against the National Socialist ideology, and thus were a threat to the establishment.

I'm sure you can explain to us why homosexuality is against the Nazi ideology.

[Osterreichischen Faschistischen Republik]

Things like Homosexuality had no place in a National Socialist state

Who cares what nazis want and don't want?

Generally, people in Nazi Germany.

[Divair]

Things like Homosexuality had no place in a National Socialist state

Who cares what nazis want and don't want?

Nazis.

[Sibirsky]

Guys, why are you taking this guy seriously?

Nothing you say to him will change anything.

People love to feed.

It's why we go to zoos.

Or the internet.

[Geilinor]

Why?

Because in National Socialism, traditional family values are a core idea.

The house of a husband and wife are the only way for a society in National Socialism.

So theocrats disguised as Nazis.

[The Broken Russian States]

1. No, its not, as it harms nobody without their informed consent. And no, they didn't.
2. I'm sure he did. However, they shouldn't have been considered "enemies of the state" in the first place. And the "results" were faked.
3. If by "not forced" and "treated and cured" you mean sent to a concentration camp at gunpoint and threatened with the gas chamber if they didn't crawl back in the closet, then sure.

This appears to be biased.

You probably think National Socialist Germany was some kind of evil empire.

They were enemies because homosexuality is against the National Socialist ideology, and thus were a threat to the establishment.

They were not sent to the labor camps at gunpoint, they were sent to hospitals in order to be treated and cured.

1: National Socialist Germany executed 12 million "unperfect people"
2: Why
3: "Hospitals" to be "cured"

Yeah, I am not buying this one bit.

[Sun Wukong]

This is a common point of confusion. The above quote referred to Mengele, and it wasn't that the experiments were so disturbing that they refused to use them, it was that they were scientifically unusable because gathering useful data was never the point of them.

Mengele was a sadist and a megalomaniac, who pretended to be doing "research" as a flimsy justification for torture.

True, the point of Mengele was not to be a researcher, but rather a sadist in concentration camps.

It's interesting. Even his own colleagues were disturbed by him. There was one guy (I can't remember his name) who burned his "research" because it was so terrible. Mind you, this was a man who was actually researching on human beings. Testing how many moles of mustard gas per unit volume it takes to kill someone with 15 minutes exposure, and the like. Someone who can wake up every day, go to work, and do that.

And even he is going, "oh for fucks sake!?"

[Divair]

People love to feed.

It's why we go to zoos.

Or the internet.

NSG, Kruger National Park, same thing.

[Kelinfort]

Why?

Because in National Socialism, traditional family values are a core idea.

The house of a husband and wife are the only way for a society in National Socialism.

Care to explain why lesbians weren't persecuted and male homosexuals were?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

1. No, its not, as it harms nobody without their informed consent. And no, they didn't.
2. I'm sure he did. However, they shouldn't have been considered "enemies of the state" in the first place. And the "results" were faked.
3. If by "not forced" and "treated and cured" you mean sent to a concentration camp at gunpoint and threatened with the gas chamber if they didn't crawl back in the closet, then sure.

This appears to be biased.

You probably think National Socialist Germany was some kind of evil empire.

They were enemies because homosexuality is against the National Socialist ideology, and thus were a threat to the establishment.

They were not sent to the labor camps at gunpoint, they were sent to hospitals in order to be treated and cured.

Umm... Historically Nazi Germany WAS an evil empire. To suggest otherwise is to fly in the face of all historical research done on the subject.

[Grenartia]

1. Pseudoscience, but not actual science.
2. No...they were killed.

1. There's no reason to kill homosexuals, they were not killed.

2. Even if they wanted to, at that time they were experiencing manpower shortages, and would not exterminate Germans because they were homosexual.

3. The fact is that they came out of the hospitals no longer having homosexual tendencies.

1. Bullshit. There's evidence that many were.
2. Because slavery is much better than mass murder of innocent people.
3. Or, you know, they shoved themselves back into the closet so they would get out, but without actually having changed their sexual orientation, which is impossible.

[Luveria]

People love to feed.

It's why we go to zoos.

Or the internet.

Clearly, we're all posting in a thread called "LGBT Rights & Issues" so that we can discuss Nazis, right?

[Geilinor]

It's why we go to zoos.

Or the internet.

Clearly, we're all posting in a thread called "LGBT Rights & Issues" so that we can discuss Nazis, right?

The reason we're discussing Nazis is to get a poster to stop defending Nazi persecution of homosexuals.

[Sun Wukong]

Because in National Socialism, traditional family values are a core idea.

The house of a husband and wife are the only way for a society in National Socialism.

Care to explain why lesbians weren't persecuted and male homosexuals were?

I think we all know the answer to that, but nobody wants to say it.