Mod-Sanctioned LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Osterreichischen Faschistischen Republik]

We are not Germans.

We are born in a place called Austria, that makes us Austrian.

Ethnically, we are Nordic.


Living in the liberal empire has no effect on my genetics or where I was born.

Austrians are Germans. Scandinavians are Nordic.

You just said that genetics don't matter a moment ago. And you are an American.

I am not an American, living here for 8 years does not make me an American.

We are Germanic culturally but most of us are Nordic ethnically.

[Wazkyraque]

How did you come to the conclusion that the LGBT community lazy and incompetent and that other groups are not?

Explain how a benefit is a special benefit if it's a benefit most people have?

Because that benefit does not naturally belong to them, they are simply requesting it for no reason other than financial benefits.

How do you determine what benefits naturally belong to people?

Are benefits genetic? If that's the case, how would you explain why scientists haven't discovered genes that would determine something like that despite observing human chromosomes fairly thoroughly?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And I paraphrase a book I read long ago:

In Nazi Germany, the experiments carried out and what they [the Nuremberg Medical Commission] found about the human experiments was so atrocious, so horribly vile that they could not use these research results.

Of course that didn't stop us from giving Japanese scientists a free pass in exchange for their equally inhumane expierimentations in unit 731 now did it?

I am not saying the U.S. was perfect either after all we not only have the Unit 731 Experiments but also the Syphilis experimentation in Guatemala years later.

I am just saying that the International Nuremberg Commission found and what the opinion of one of the members of it expresses.

[Llamalandia]

In Social Darwinism, the weak are those who do not make it in the capitalist, or corporatist economic system in a nation.

Things like communism, or socialism cater to everyone, thus giving the weak what belongs to the strong.

The weak are those who do not make it, where in a corporatist, or a capitalist system if you do not make it, it is because you rejected opprotunity and embraced complacency and laziness.

Therefore they are rightfully cast out by the natural order of things, Social Darwinism.

Considering social darwinism is shit science (no it isn't even science) it can safely be ignored.

Whoa don't knock social darwinism just cause some neonazi seems to enjoy abusing the concept.

[Osterreichischen Faschistischen Republik]

1. Homosexuality is a cognitive disorder, 2. which has a cure but the world refuses to recognize it.

3. In the 1930's to the 1940's, the Germans came up with medicine and therapy to cure them, and they were cured.


4. My grandfather himself who served in the Leibstandarte-SS Adolf Hitler, saw the results.

5. When they arrested homosexuals and took them to the hospitals, months later they were reported to already having married with a woman and fathered children, etc.

1. And the Earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese, amirite?
2. You can't cure something that isn't a problem. Also, you can't change sexual orientation.
3. Only if you consider death and forcing oneself back into the closet to be "cures". Which is like saying that bloodletting cures the flu.
4. Doubt it.
5. Being forced back into the closet to keep from dying isn't a cure. Its oppression.

It is a problem, many National Socialist scientists and psychologists proved it.

Being a member of the SS, one of my grandfather's duties was to arrest enemies of the state.

They were not being forced, they were simply treated and cured

[Wazkyraque]

Guys, why are you taking this guy seriously?

Nothing you say to him will change anything.

I just like asking questions to understand the thought process.

[Grenartia]

Guys, why are you taking this guy seriously?

Nothing you say to him will change anything.

You've got to combat stupidity openly, so that the lurkers will know how to combat it whenever they face it. Eventually, everybody save those who express the stupid views will know the stupidity for what it is, and those who spout it will become irrelevant in public discourse. See: the KKK as currently stands.

[Neutraligon]

Considering social darwinism is shit science (no it isn't even science) it can safely be ignored.

Whoa don't knock social darwinism just cause some neonazi seems to enjoy abusing the concept.

My understanding of it is it's crap, regardless of who uses it.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Guys, why are you taking this guy seriously?

Nothing you say to him will change anything.

You've got to combat stupidity openly, so that the lurkers will know how to combat it whenever they face it. Eventually, everybody save those who express the stupid views will know the stupidity for what it is, and those who spout it will become irrelevant in public discourse. See: the KKK as currently stands.

The only cool thing ever about the KKK was their silly hats, I like silly hats :|

[Kelinfort]

1. And the Earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese, amirite?
2. You can't cure something that isn't a problem. Also, you can't change sexual orientation.
3. Only if you consider death and forcing oneself back into the closet to be "cures". Which is like saying that bloodletting cures the flu.
4. Doubt it.
5. Being forced back into the closet to keep from dying isn't a cure. Its oppression.

1.It is a problem, many National Socialist scientists and psychologists proved it.

Being a member of the SS, one of my grandfather's duties was to arrest enemies of the state.

2.They were not being forced, they were simply treated and cured

1. Pseudoscience, but not actual science.
2. No...they were killed.

[Sun Wukong]

And I paraphrase a book I read long ago:

In Nazi Germany, the experiments carried out and what they [the Nuremberg Medical Commission] found about the human experiments was so atrocious, so horribly vile that they could not use these research results.

Of course that didn't stop us from giving Japanese scientists a free pass in exchange for their equally inhumane expierimentations in unit 731 now did it?

This is a common point of confusion. The above quote referred to Mengele, and it wasn't that the experiments were so disturbing that they refused to use them, it was that they were scientifically unusable because gathering useful data was never the point of them.

Mengele was a sadist and a megalomaniac, who pretended to be doing "research" as a flimsy justification for torture.

[Regnum Dominae]

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/ar ... -gay-bill/

Shit. Hopefully Brewer will veto again.

[Neutraligon]

You've got to combat stupidity openly, so that the lurkers will know how to combat it whenever they face it. Eventually, everybody save those who express the stupid views will know the stupidity for what it is, and those who spout it will become irrelevant in public discourse. See: the KKK as currently stands.

The only cool thing ever about the KKK was their silly hats, I like silly hats :|

You don't need the KKK for those hats, look at the semana santa for Spain, they wear those hats and the hats come in many colors.

[Osterreichischen Faschistischen Republik]

Considering social darwinism is shit science (no it isn't even science) it can safely be ignored.

Whoa don't knock social darwinism just cause some neonazi seems to enjoy abusing the concept.

I am not a Neo-Nazi.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Considering social darwinism is shit science (no it isn't even science) it can safely be ignored.

Whoa don't knock social darwinism just cause some neonazi seems to enjoy abusing the concept.

Most people don't want to associate with Social Darwinism after the atrocities of the Second World War:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

[The Broken Russian States]

1. And the Earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese, amirite?
2. You can't cure something that isn't a problem. Also, you can't change sexual orientation.
3. Only if you consider death and forcing oneself back into the closet to be "cures". Which is like saying that bloodletting cures the flu.
4. Doubt it.
5. Being forced back into the closet to keep from dying isn't a cure. Its oppression.

It is a problem, many National Socialist scientists and psychologists proved it.

Being a member of the SS, one of my grandfather's duties was to arrest enemies of the state.

They were not being forced, they were simply treated and cured

1: Yes, many Nazi scientists who thought Adolf Hitler was god proved it
2: Gay are such big enemies that they had to be tortured to submission
3: You can't cure something like that. You would have to reset the entire genetic code. If the Nazi's had that power, its a good job we destroyed them when we did.

[Osterreichischen Faschistischen Republik]

1.It is a problem, many National Socialist scientists and psychologists proved it.

Being a member of the SS, one of my grandfather's duties was to arrest enemies of the state.

2.They were not being forced, they were simply treated and cured

1. Pseudoscience, but not actual science.
2. No...they were killed.

There's no reason to kill homosexuals, they were not killed.

Even if they wanted to, at that time they were experiencing manpower shortages, and would not exterminate Germans because they were homosexual.

The fact is that they came out of the hospitals no longer having homosexual tendencies.

[Aeken]

1. Pseudoscience, but not actual science.
2. No...they were killed.

There's no reason to kill homosexuals, they were not killed.

Even if they wanted to, at that time they were experiencing manpower shortages, and would not exterminate Germans because they were homosexual.

The fact is that they came out of the hospitals no longer having homosexual tendencies.

You have yet to prove any of this bullshit.

[Kelinfort]

1. Pseudoscience, but not actual science.
2. No...they were killed.

There's no reason to kill homosexuals, they were not killed.

Even if they wanted to, at that time they were experiencing manpower shortages, and would not exterminate Germans because they were homosexual.

The fact is that they came out of the hospitals no longer having homosexual tendencies.

No...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio ... _Holocaust
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?ModuleId=10005261

[Soldati Senza Confini]

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/

Shit. Hopefully Brewer will veto again.

She will more than likely veto this if she understands business practices and ethics.

[Sun Wukong]

Austrians are Germans. Scandinavians are Nordic.

You just said that genetics don't matter a moment ago. And you are an American.

I am not an American, living here for 8 years does not make me an American.

We are Germanic culturally but most of us are Nordic ethnically.

No, your American Citizenship does.

And, no. Austrians are just German with a bit more Magyar mixed in. Scandinavians are ethnically Nordic. That's what the term means.

[Sibirsky]

Guys, why are you taking this guy seriously?

Nothing you say to him will change anything.

I just like asking questions to understand the thought process.

You're making assumptions. Like, that there is a though process.

[Neutraligon]

1. Pseudoscience, but not actual science.
2. No...they were killed.

There's no reason to kill homosexuals, they were not killed.

Even if they wanted to, at that time they were experiencing manpower shortages, and would not exterminate Germans because they were homosexual.

The fact is that they came out of the hospitals no longer having homosexual tendencies.

Uhuh...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio ... _Holocaust

[The Broken Russian States]

1. Pseudoscience, but not actual science.
2. No...they were killed.

There's no reason to kill homosexuals, they were not killed.

Even if they wanted to, at that time they were experiencing manpower shortages, and would not exterminate Germans because they were homosexual.

The fact is that they came out of the hospitals no longer having homosexual tendencies.

I would pretend to be hetero sexual too if I had a gun pointed at my head

[Geilinor]

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/

Shit. Hopefully Brewer will veto again.

Brewer's only opposition to it is "this doesn't need to be a law, because we can violate the Civil Rights Act and exclude undesirables whenever we want".