Mod-Sanctioned LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Cannot think of a name]

How about no.

I will never be tolerance to Bigots and their views. I have the god damn right to call them out for their stupidity and their views that are being used to suppress groups of people around this country.

Well then I am afraid you aren't going to be able to tolerate yourself, because you are doing exactly what it is you say you hate, being intolerant.

"We learn to fear, but we can be taught to love." - Nelson Mandela

"Peace cannot be maintained by force, it can only be achieved through understanding." - Albert Einstein

"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind." - Mahatma Gandhi

You're not doing this with a straight face, right?

[Farnhamia]

http://m.hollywoodreporter.com/entry/view/id/16327

Truth be told I can't say I have seen a single episode of the hit TV show "Duck Dynasty". Does anyone out there in NSG watch this TV show? And if so what's it's appeal to Americans in particular who watch it?

Why should or shouldn't it be relevant to our culture? The biggest impact it had on me, up until it's star's rant, was an increase in crappy merchandise I found at my local record store located in my nearest shopping mall.

I support the decision A&E made to "suspend indefinitely" this individual due to his homophobic comments. Do you NSG? Or do you agree with or support his views on Gay people? More over what reprisals, if any, should homophobic artists face?

My take is that it should be up to the company who owns the media being distributed to make the call.
As an odd side note I also recall during Walt Disney World's annual but unofficial Gay Pride weekend back in April that a polethra of gay male couples had "Duck Dynasty" logo or insignia merchandise on. I kid you not.

So just like with a lot of businesses, homophobic practices risk alienating a segment of consumers most would want having spend money on their advertisers products (in this case given it's TV with commercials and all).

But from what little I've learned about this show, I can't see why people would enjoy consuming it as media, as I see it as having very little entertainment value. But that's my subjective opinion. What's yours NSG?

Mod Edit: Title modification to reflect merger of threads.

[Phocidaea]

A guy who makes fat stacks catering to bigoted hicks turns out to be a bigoted hick himself. Huuuge surprise.

[Finium]

Well, to be honest, I think his comments were blown a little out of proportion.

[Ashmoria]

I don't know how I feel about a guy getting fired for a bad magazine interview. do we really want people with ugly opinions that are unrelated to their jobs to lose those jobs for expressing those opinions outside the job?

The Hollywood Reporter said the news comes after Robertson compared homosexuality to bestiality in an interview with the magazine.

“It seems like, to me, a vagina -- as a man -- would be more desirable than a man’s anus," Robertson says in the January issue of the men's magazine. "That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

What does he find sinful?

"Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.

“Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

According to THR, Robertson released his own statement in response to the flap early Wednesday.

"I myself am a product of the '60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the Bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together. However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other."

I don't know.

anyway I have no interest in this show. ive seen tiny bits but there was nothing there that made me want to watch a reality show of that nature.

[Key West]

Well, to be honest, I think his comments were blown a little out of proportion.

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there — bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.”

Glad to know that as a gay person I'll be coupluating with animals before too long.

[Frisivisia]

Turns out that someone who makes money off of the "hick" schtick turns out to be a bigot. Hmm.

[Finium]

Well, to be honest, I think his comments were blown a little out of proportion.

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there — bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.”

Glad to know that as a gay person I'll be coupluating with animals before too long.

Look, he gave his opinion in an appropriate, if brusque, way. He said he doesn't agree with homosexuality, he gave several reasons for said opinion, he then said that he does not look down on you in any way for doing something he thinks is wrong. Sounds like a fairly descent criticism. You obviously don't have to agree with him, but there's no reason to attack him for his opinion.

I wouldn't say that I agree with him, but of criticisms of homosexuality I've heard in past, this one is far more accepting of homosexuals than any other I've seen

[Frisivisia]

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there — bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.”

Glad to know that as a gay person I'll be coupluating with animals before too long.

Look, he gave his opinion in an appropriate, if brusque, way. He said he doesn't agree with homosexuality, he gave several reasons for said opinion, he then said that he does not look down on you in any way for doing something he thinks is wrong. Sounds like a fairly descent criticism. You obviously don't have to agree with him, but there's no reason to attack him for his opinion.

I wouldn't say that I agree with him, but of criticisms of homosexuality I've heard in past, this one is far more accepting of homosexuals than any other I've seen

Comparing gay sexual practice to bestiality is bigoted, reprehensible, and represents a lack of moral understanding and there absolutely is a reason to attack him for his opinion. Just as I don't tolerate bigotry on account of race or sex or gender, I don't tolerate bigotry on account of sexual preference.

[Key West]

He's also implying that being gay is all about sex and anal sex in particular. That notion, all by itself, is absolutely enfuriating given it's backwards view of human relations.

Is being straight all about vaginas? According to this person yes!

That should be offensive to straight people out there too.

I happen to fall in love with men and express that accordingly. It's not about anuses as Robertson understands it to be.

Shouldn't a Christian be thinking a little more spiritually?

[Blasveck]

Heard this on the radio this morning.

While I haven't watched the show, it really shouldn't be a surprise that a show centered around backwoods country folks has a few folks involved who aren't too accepting of homosexuality.

The real question is whether people watching a show with backwoods country folks would really care.

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[Terra Sector Union]

I think there's something wrong with heterosexual sex. Am I a bigot? A heterophobe?

[Frisivisia]

I think there's something wrong with heterosexual sex. Am I a bigot? A heterophobe?

If you think that invalidates heterosexuality in general, sure. Go for it.

[Fireye]

Is being straight all about vaginas?

of course not.

It's all about tits.

[Bobanopula]

I don't agree with his remarks but if we are to accept pro-gay remarks we must also accept anti-gay remarks. This guy losing his spot on the show just reminds me of when it was legal to fire gays for being gay.

[Frisivisia]

I don't agree with his remarks but if we are to accept pro-gay remarks we must also accept anti-gay remarks. This guy losing his spot on the show just reminds me of when it was legal to fire gays for being gay.

Only being gay isn't morally reprehensible and can't be controlled. Bigotry is and can.

Also, fuck being "accepting" of bigoted remarks. I respect their right to say it, but not them or their remarks once they do.

[Ifreann]

I don't know how I feel about a guy getting fired for a bad magazine interview. do we really want people with ugly opinions that are unrelated to their jobs to lose those jobs for expressing those opinions outside the job?

Doing interviews is part of his job, I would have thought.

[Ashmoria]

Well, to be honest, I think his comments were blown a little out of proportion.

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there — bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.”

Glad to know that as a gay person I'll be coupluating with animals before too long.

the fascination that "straight" people have with bestiality is kinda creepy. he mentions it first THEN goes on to promiscuity as the follow=on problems that occur to him.

at least he didn't mention marrying your horse.

[Ashmoria]

I don't know how I feel about a guy getting fired for a bad magazine interview. do we really want people with ugly opinions that are unrelated to their jobs to lose those jobs for expressing those opinions outside the job?

Doing interviews is part of his job, I would have thought.

I suppose.

but is part of his job pretending to have opinions he doesn't have?

[Terra Sector Union]

Why is a magazine asking him questions that lead to answers about homosexuality anyway? Is this what they do now? Ask TV personalities, celebrities etc about their politics hoping to create controversy?

[Ishkken]

Just another day in the bayou.

[Key West]

I don't agree with his remarks but if we are to accept pro-gay remarks we must also accept anti-gay remarks. This guy losing his spot on the show just reminds me of when it was legal to fire gays for being gay.

This goes into my line of questioning about whether it was wise business practice to sack him or not.

Could it be a ploy to further amplify ratings? Or is it actually beneficial to remove him from the show signaling to viewers that backwards bigotry can't be tolerated?

The broader argument you're making is a supposed slight against liberals being intolerant against intolerance.

I say, that A&E as a buisness, stands to lose if it lets views like this spread under it's name. Can't you see Hollywood organizing boycotts against advertisers on this show if this bigot were allowed to spew his backwards vitriol? That would hurt their bottom line profits in the long run.

Further venturing into high school economics, is there an apetite today for homophobia in media? A&E guesses no, there isn't. Demand is not for this. Time will further vindicate or condemn this notion.

[Xsyne]

The Free Market at work.

[ScrewAllTheThings]

Everyone has an opinion we can't condemn people for sharing them just for being single minded....

What people do in the privacy of their own homes is THEIR business.

You pay your own bills.
You feed yourself.
You clothe yourself.
No one else does.

So what someone does shouldn't matter to you. Why worry about someone else's life anyway? Yours is far from perfect. But then again America capitalizes on having to know exactly what other people are doing.

Someone having sex does not directly influence your life. It really doesn't despite stupid thoughts.
A man having sex with another man will not stop you from going to work, it won't stop you from paying bills, it won't stop you from breathing so how about just ya know mind your own business.

Let people do what they want....if someone is going to hell they will do it alone you are not shackled to them. This is extremely stupid.

[Ashmoria]

Why is a magazine asking him questions that lead to answers about homosexuality anyway? Is this what they do now? Ask TV personalities, celebrities etc about their politics hoping to create controversy?

its GQ. I don't see why a current issue--gay rights--isn't appropriate to ask about.