Mod-Sanctioned LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Wisconsin9]

A sexual orientation. Getting boners from guys and not girls. Wanting to fuck a guy's ass and not a girl's.

That's...a lifestyle. Their "sexual orientation" and sexual acts are a part of the particular way in which they live. Lifestyle.

Even if you're right, why does it matter?

[Lenciland]

It's in the bible, it's just in the old testament. And I'm pretty sure it says some about it in the new testament too.

And the Old Testament's law was fulfilled with the coming of the Messiah and was, thus, invalidated and no longer has any religious meaning to anyone who isn't a follower of Judaism.

^This.

[Isles of the United Armed Forces]

Now I can tell you that I am as straight as they come, but ever seince I was 10 years old I have fought for same sex marrige to be legal. I have been shuned, judged, and bullied by many people for sticking up for the rights of these couples that only wish to be happy together. In my opinion if some one really loves some one they should have the right to get married. Even now as I go in to the military as a teenager/ almost adult I still find time to go out and support in rallies for same sex relationships. These things should not have to be Legal or Illegal, It should be considered normal. "what goes on in some ones bedroom, is their own business, No one should be able to say weather or not THIS should be allowed." and with that I say same sex marrige should not be illegal but considered NORMAL!!!!!!

[Sibirsky]

Not sure, still debating with myself whether it should be legal.

What is there to debate?

No one is hurt. People will be attracted who they are attracted to regardless of laws. There is absolutely no reason it should be illegal.

[Lenciland]

In the US we have a secular government meaning that your book written by a man in the clouds is an invalid excuse for not liking something, deal with it.

Man, I 'm an agnostic myself, but please, don't be so demeaning to Christians which actually have a respectful, live and let live attitude towards homosexuals. You just make our side look bad and fuel the "secularists are anti-Christian!" drivel spouted by fundies.

Yeah, I made a poor choice of words. I screwed up.

[Risottia]

Not only: he's also saying that his deity/ies is/are MORAL because they it/they want/s people to be unhappy.

Even if god does exist (chances are he doesn't) if he were to come down from the heavens from a rainbow riding a horse just so he could kick someone in the balls and then create a circular square ...

I can create square circles, is it good enough to declare me a deity?

Lo! Proof!

Risottia quoth, let R² be the set of the ordered couples of real numbers. And lo, every a element of R² was represented as (x_a,y_a). And Risottia quoth, let d:R²->R be defined as d(a,b)=|x_a-x_b|+|y_a-y_b| . Behold, for d is a metric function, that is a distance in the language of yore, over R².
Now let a circle of radius r and centre p be put forth as the subset B_r(p) of R² defined as the set of all z such that d(z,p) is less or equal to r. And all the wise men came forth to see Risottia's wisdom, and they knew His name was Professor, because by representing R² as a cartesian plane, all B_r(p) were now indeed squared.

[Duvniask]

What is there to doubt?

Homosexuality is frowned upon in the bible,

Even if that was true, so what?

but people should be able to make their own decisions.

People should be able to make these decisions themselves.

[Sibirsky]

No it ain't. The Torah is homophobic, but the Torah is a Jewish book, and only applies to Jews. For a Christian to follow Jewish scriptures would be an act of heresy.

It's in the bible, it's just in the old testament. And I'm pretty sure it says some about it in the new testament too.

Irrelevant.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

But in the US religion can't get involved with the state so the Bible is not a valid excuse for being hateful.

Is it not a valid source for individuals to form their own opinions?

No, it ain't. That is called a theocracy, and is highly discouraged in modern society.

It's a genetic trait.

Prove it.

Ha, ha, that's hilarious! Oh, wait, your serious?
It's common fucking knowledge.
http://www.bing.com
https://www.google.com
http://en.wikipedia.org
#YouDon'tNeedToProveSomethingThatHasAlreadyBeenProven

[Threlizdun]

It's a genetic trait.

You're kind of arguing the same point. It is a trait (Sexual orientation) that affects the way a person lives. You're both right, just coming from different sides.

No, how you live is determined by your environment and how you respond to it. Sexual orientation is determined by developmental factors, most likely hormones or epigenetics.

[Blasveck]

A sexual orientation. Getting boners from guys and not girls. Wanting to fuck a guy's ass and not a girl's.

That's...a lifestyle. Their "sexual orientation" and sexual acts are a part of the particular way in which they live. Lifestyle.

Is heterosexuality a lifestyle as well then?

[Thori]

It's in the bible, it's just in the old testament. And I'm pretty sure it says some about it in the new testament too.

No, there is no explicit condemnation of homosexuality found anywhere within the Bible.

Here's one: Leviticus 18:22

[Lenciland]

Even if god does exist (chances are he doesn't) if he were to come down from the heavens from a rainbow riding a horse just so he could kick someone in the balls and then create a circular square ...

I can create square circles, is it good enough to declare me a deity?

Lo! Proof!

Risottia quoth, let R² be the set of the ordered couples of real numbers. And lo, every a element of R² was represented as (x_a,y_a). And Risottia quoth, let d:R²->R be defined as d(a,b)=|x_a-x_b|+|y_a-y_b| . Behold, for d is a metric function, that is a distance in the language of yore, over R².
Now let a circle of radius r and centre p be put forth as the subset B_r(p) of R2 defined as the set of all z such that d(z,p) is less or equal to r. And all the wise men came forth to see Risottia's wisdom, and they knew His name was Professor, because by representing R² as a cartesian plane, all circles were now indeed squared.

I will now worship you yet again, master Risottia

[Oil exporting People]

It's in the bible, it's just in the old testament. And I'm pretty sure it says some about it in the new testament too.

And the Old Testament's law was fulfilled with the coming of the Messiah and was, thus, invalidated and no longer has any religious meaning to anyone who isn't a follower of Judaism.[/quote]

So does that mean I can go out and murder someone since the 10 Commandments were in the Old Testament as well? The Old Testament was wiped away by the New Testament. The dynamic that changed was that through Christ's sacrifice, everyone can now go to Heaven if they choose to accept Jesus as their savior.

[Wisconsin9]

No, there is no explicit condemnation of homosexuality found anywhere within the Bible.

Here's one: Leviticus 18:22

And again, why is that at all relevant in a secular country?

[Isles of the United Armed Forces]

It's in the bible, it's just in the old testament. And I'm pretty sure it says some about it in the new testament too.

And the Old Testament's law was fulfilled with the coming of the Messiah and was, thus, invalidated and no longer has any religious meaning to anyone who isn't a follower of Judaism.

So does that mean I can go out and murder someone since the 10 Commandments were in the Old Testament as well? The Old Testament was wiped away by the New Testament. The dynamic that changed was that through Christ's sacrifice, everyone can now go to Heaven if they choose to accept Jesus as their savior.

Not feelin it.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

No, there is no explicit condemnation of homosexuality found anywhere within the Bible.

Here's one: Leviticus 18:22

#Judaism #JewishHolyLaw #TheTorah

That isn't the Bible. The five books of Moses are the Torah, which is Jewish scripture and has nothing to do with Christianity.

[Thori]

That's...a lifestyle. Their "sexual orientation" and sexual acts are a part of the particular way in which they live. Lifestyle.

Is heterosexuality a lifestyle as well then?

Yep

[Agritum]

That's...a lifestyle. Their "sexual orientation" and sexual acts are a part of the particular way in which they live. Lifestyle.

Is heterosexuality a lifestyle as well then?

I wish it would be.

I mean, it would be cool to have straight pride parades where you can actually find nice girls (guys for the girls) to hook up with, rather than just some angry, gay-hating conservatives.

[Katyuscha]

Yes, of course.

[Wisconsin9]

Is heterosexuality a lifestyle as well then?

Yep

Why does it matter if it's a lifestyle?

[Oil exporting People]

Not feelin it.

And your point is?

[Thori]

Here's one: Leviticus 18:22

#Judaism #JewishHolyLaw #TheTorah

That isn't the Bible. The five books of Moses are the Torah, which is Jewish scripture and has nothing to do with Christianity.

It's apart of the Holy Bible, specifically the Old Testament...so yeah...it kinda does.

[Northern Vermont]

Yes I believe it should be legal. Preventing gays from getting married is wrong. Love is Love, no matter what gender, race, etc.

[Wisconsin9]

Is heterosexuality a lifestyle as well then?

I wish it would be.

I mean, it would be cool to have straight pride parades where you can actually find nice girls (guys for the girls) to hook up with, rather than just some angry, gay-hating conservatives.

Hmm. Maybe we should start setting stuff like that up. "Straight and Proud But We Don't Hate for Who You Bang".