Mod-Sanctioned LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[New Frenco Empire]

Is it unacceptably wrong if it does not harm anyone?

It vastly contributes to the spread of STDs and medical issues related to homosexual acts.

Generalizations, eh?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

No it ain't. It's called a man mentally being a woman or vice-versa.

Well, in that case, they're a woman.

Mystery solved. I'm not against trans people, but I am against making up new genders to describe them.

Nobody is saying that we should.

[KISS Nation]

It vastly contributes to the spread of STDs and medical issues related to homosexual acts.

Heterosexual sex spreads STDs too, you know. Should that be banned? Oh, wait, heterosexuality is superior to homosexuality somehow, so of course not!

Heterosexual relations also do the same, yes. They are harmful. I never said homosexual relations were not superior or inferior or whatever, I was stating fact.

[Sibirsky]

Do all of you have reading comprehension problems?

It doesn't matter what he said regarding the free market; please stop encouraging threadjacking.

I'm not the one encouraging it. I am the one addressing misconceptions and outright false claims.

Do all of you have reading comprehension problems?

I'd say no, considering most of us are trying to stay true to the topic at hand. Which is LGBT RIGHTS AND ISSUES. If someone's comments really piss you off so badly, TG them or something.

Is that why you deliberately attribute false claims to others?

/threadjack

[KISS Nation]

Well, in that case, they're a woman.

Mystery solved. I'm not against trans people, but I am against making up new genders to describe them.

Nobody is saying that we should.

Yes, they are. Man, woman, cisgendered man, cisgendered woman, agender, man-to-woman, woman-to-man... the list goes on.

[The Traditional Catholic Papal States]

Yes, and violence against homosexuals is wrong but I don't believe that not approving of homosexual behavior is going to lead me to committing violence against an homosexual. 1. Plus, I believe in all of human history, the Jew and ethnic minorities have faced a lot of discrimination than homosexuals. 2. Plus, I don't view the goal of homosexual activists of changing the people like me opinion's on homosexuality or make us shut up are equal to voting rights for ethnic minorities or religious rights for Jews.

3. This comes down to the view that homosexual activists have that unchosen sexual orientation/attraction is equal to someone's skin color, eye color or hair color, that just because someone does not choose to have such feelings must mean someone is born with them. That is simply not true. 4. There are many characteristics that are unchosen but implanted after birth.

1. Actually, they're about the same.

2. Of course you wouldn't, because you don't support us, but you support Jews.

3. It is.

4. Doesn't make oppressing us for those characteristics any less wrong, especially when there's nothing inherently wrong with them.

If you're going to make science your standard, then use science. There is no proof that homosexual attractions are inborn or if persons with homosexual attractions don't act on their desires, they will somehow explode. You're right, I don't view the want to people to view homosexual behavior as an expression of love the same as rights for ethnic minorities or the religious rights of Jews.

[Kelinfort]

1. Actually, they're about the same.

2. Of course you wouldn't, because you don't support us, but you support Jews.

3. It is.

4. Doesn't make oppressing us for those characteristics any less wrong, especially when there's nothing inherently wrong with them.

If you're going to make science your standard, then use science. There is no proof that homosexual attractions are inborn or if persons with homosexual attractions don't act on their desires, they will somehow explode. You're right, I don't view the want to people to view homosexual behavior as an expression of love the same as rights for ethnic minorities or the religious rights of Jews.

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/ ... e-says-no/
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/ ... rientation

Yet...straight people can act on their sexual desires in marriage? I don't follow your argument.

[Astograth]

No it ain't. It's called a man mentally being a woman or vice-versa.

Well, in that case, they're a woman.

Mystery solved. I'm not against trans people, but I am against making up new genders to describe them.

All genders - specifically gender roles - are made up. What you consider to be a "woman" differs radically from, say, the indigenous Polynesian concept of "woman". I'd be more interested in knowing what's so horrific about "making up new genders"; does it harm anyone?

[KISS Nation]

Well, in that case, they're a woman.

Mystery solved. I'm not against trans people, but I am against making up new genders to describe them.

All genders - specifically gender roles - are made up. What you consider to be a "woman" differs radically from, say, the indigenous Polynesian concept of "woman". I'd be more interested in knowing what's so horrific about "making up new genders"; does it harm anyone?

It confuses the hell out of me.

[Astograth]

All genders - specifically gender roles - are made up. What you consider to be a "woman" differs radically from, say, the indigenous Polynesian concept of "woman". I'd be more interested in knowing what's so horrific about "making up new genders"; does it harm anyone?

It confuses the hell out of me.

I forgot society was designed to suit your pettiness.

[KISS Nation]

It confuses the hell out of me.

I forgot society was designed to suit your pettiness.

Not just me, most people. The world isn't anything like NSG.

[Blasveck]

All genders - specifically gender roles - are made up. What you consider to be a "woman" differs radically from, say, the indigenous Polynesian concept of "woman". I'd be more interested in knowing what's so horrific about "making up new genders"; does it harm anyone?

It confuses the hell out of me.

So?

[Astograth]

I forgot society was designed to suit your pettiness.

Not just me, most people. The world isn't anything like NSG.

Considering NSG is so frequently racist, classist, pseudo-intellectual and homophobic I am very glad for that.

[The Traditional Catholic Papal States]

If you're going to make science your standard, then use science. There is no proof that homosexual attractions are inborn or if persons with homosexual attractions don't act on their desires, they will somehow explode. You're right, I don't view the want to people to view homosexual behavior as an expression of love the same as rights for ethnic minorities or the religious rights of Jews.

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/ ... e-says-no/
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/ ... rientation

Yet...straight people can act on their sexual desires in marriage? I don't follow your argument.

I think according to my posts, you can figure out what I believe on appropriate expressions of sexual behavior. I 'm not going to get a warning or a ban because I said something against the rules. The second link, did I ever say that sexual attraction was a choice? I have stated before that in most cases, it is unchosen, but that does not make it inborn. The idea that expression of sexuality is a right or a human right is a new idea, only about forty years old.

[Grenartia]

I haven't been asked the pegging question, but I have been asked others.

Really? That seems to be a rather common question addressed to bisexuals.

But yeah, pegging is considered heterosexual. It is between a man and a woman, after all.

We should, uh...we should probably stop.

I think the only reason I haven't been asked it is because I don't think many people in areas where I've lived are even aware it exists.

Yeah, lets stop here.

Anyone know the next places that are going to legalize same-sex marriage?

Throw a dart at any country, see where it lands, make a prediction.

Or state.

I for one, would like to see it legalized in Louisiana and Tennessee, but Louisiana is more likely, so I'm going to predict it'll be the next one.

Which hurts trans* children psychologically. Many of us KNOW from a young age that we're not the gender typically associated with our sex.



If you think that being expected to use common fucking courtesy is a bad thing, then maybe we should pursue convincing people to use it even more.

Also, I have very serious concerns about you knowing a child's sex if you're not their doctor or family member.



If you think that our struggle isn't real and comparable to the struggles of other minorities who've historically been persecuted for no legitimate reason, then you have problems with accepting reality.



Except, its not "making up new genders". Its recognizing ones that already fucking exist.

No, I don't compare the goal of wanting people to view homosexual behavior as an expression of love as the same as the struggles of other minorities.

I'm aware. And you're factually wrong for thinking as such.

Except, its not "making up new genders". Its recognizing ones that already fucking exist.

So if I went up to someone in the medieval era, and somehow I knew their word for "gender", and I said, "hello, do you know what an agendered person is?" they would instantly be able to tell me about their cousin who was agendered and their extensive knowledge on it? These are invented genders, in addition to man and woman.

No, you wouldn't, because back then, people thought there were only two genders, and oppressed/killed anybody who went contrary to that idea.

No it ain't. It's called a man mentally being a woman or vice-versa.

Well, in that case, they're a woman.

Mystery solved. I'm not against trans people, but I am against making up new genders to describe them.

My gender is not made up. Gender is not binary.

Nobody is saying that we should.

Yes, they are. Man, woman, cisgendered man, cisgendered woman, agender, man-to-woman, woman-to-man... the list goes on.

Those are all terms to more accurately described observed and confirmed phenomena.

[Blasveck]

Really? That seems to be a rather common question addressed to bisexuals.

But yeah, pegging is considered heterosexual. It is between a man and a woman, after all.

We should, uh...we should probably stop.

I think the only reason I haven't been asked it is because I don't think many people in areas where I've lived are even aware it exists.

Yeah, lets stop here.

Throw a dart at any country, see where it lands, make a prediction.

Or state.

I for one, would like to see it legalized in Louisiana and Tennessee, but Louisiana is more likely, so I'm going to predict it'll be the next one.

No, I don't compare the goal of wanting people to view homosexual behavior as an expression of love as the same as the struggles of other minorities.

I'm aware. And you're factually wrong for thinking as such.

So if I went up to someone in the medieval era, and somehow I knew their word for "gender", and I said, "hello, do you know what an agendered person is?" they would instantly be able to tell me about their cousin who was agendered and their extensive knowledge on it? These are invented genders, in addition to man and woman.

No, you wouldn't, because back then, people thought there were only two genders, and oppressed/killed anybody who went contrary to that idea.

Well, in that case, they're a woman.

Mystery solved. I'm not against trans people, but I am against making up new genders to describe them.

My gender is not made up. Gender is not binary.

Yes, they are. Man, woman, cisgendered man, cisgendered woman, agender, man-to-woman, woman-to-man... the list goes on.

Those are all terms to more accurately described observed and confirmed phenomena.

Louisiana, of all places?

[The Traditional Catholic Papal States]

Really? That seems to be a rather common question addressed to bisexuals.

But yeah, pegging is considered heterosexual. It is between a man and a woman, after all.

We should, uh...we should probably stop.

I think the only reason I haven't been asked it is because I don't think many people in areas where I've lived are even aware it exists.

Yeah, lets stop here.

Throw a dart at any country, see where it lands, make a prediction.

Or state.

I for one, would like to see it legalized in Louisiana and Tennessee, but Louisiana is more likely, so I'm going to predict it'll be the next one.

No, I don't compare the goal of wanting people to view homosexual behavior as an expression of love as the same as the struggles of other minorities.

I'm aware. And you're factually wrong for thinking as such.

So if I went up to someone in the medieval era, and somehow I knew their word for "gender", and I said, "hello, do you know what an agendered person is?" they would instantly be able to tell me about their cousin who was agendered and their extensive knowledge on it? These are invented genders, in addition to man and woman.

No, you wouldn't, because back then, people thought there were only two genders, and oppressed/killed anybody who went contrary to that idea.

Well, in that case, they're a woman.

Mystery solved. I'm not against trans people, but I am against making up new genders to describe them.

My gender is not made up. Gender is not binary.

Yes, they are. Man, woman, cisgendered man, cisgendered woman, agender, man-to-woman, woman-to-man... the list goes on.

Those are all terms to more accurately described observed and confirmed phenomena.

No, I'm not. Again, I believe this proves my point that the goal of homosexual activists did not end at "equal treatment" by governments and business, but change the deeply held religious beliefs of citizens. I don't understand how homosexual behavior is equal to someone skin colour. notice I did NOT say "attraction" or "orientation"

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Nobody is saying that we should.

Yes, they are. Man, woman, cisgendered man, cisgendered woman, agender, man-to-woman, woman-to-man... the list goes on.

There are three simple things.

Cis (people like you), non-binary/genderqueer (people with "unusual" genders like agender go here) and binary transsexual (most of the women born in biological male bodies, or men born in biological female bodies).

You don't need to learn anything past this. If there is, the people will explain you personally themselves.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

No, I'm not. Again, I believe this proves my point that the goal of homosexual activists did not end at "equal treatment" by governments and business, but change the deeply held religious beliefs of citizens. I don't understand how homosexual behavior is equal to someone skin colour. notice I did NOT say "attraction" or "orientation"

Not religious beliefs.

Anything saying we and our relationships are inferior will lead to families breaking, to teens hanging themselves, and to people being beaten to death by neo-Nazis.

You can't blame us for being aggressive at trying to end this, because most of us experience these problems very closely, often within the realm of our personal lives!

[Grenartia]

1. Actually, they're about the same.

2. Of course you wouldn't, because you don't support us, but you support Jews.

3. It is.

4. Doesn't make oppressing us for those characteristics any less wrong, especially when there's nothing inherently wrong with them.

If you're going to make science your standard, then use science. 1. There is no proof that homosexual attractions are inborn or 2. if persons with homosexual attractions don't act on their desires, they will somehow explode. 3. You're right, I don't view the want to people to view homosexual behavior as an expression of love the same as rights for ethnic minorities or the religious rights of Jews.

1. I never said there was.

2. Ah, but repression has been demonstrated to have negative effects on mental health.

3. And you're wrong for it. On all levels.

I think the only reason I haven't been asked it is because I don't think many people in areas where I've lived are even aware it exists.

Yeah, lets stop here.



Or state.

I for one, would like to see it legalized in Louisiana and Tennessee, but Louisiana is more likely, so I'm going to predict it'll be the next one.



I'm aware. And you're factually wrong for thinking as such.



No, you wouldn't, because back then, people thought there were only two genders, and oppressed/killed anybody who went contrary to that idea.



My gender is not made up. Gender is not binary.



Those are all terms to more accurately described observed and confirmed phenomena.

Louisiana, of all places?

Yeah. I explained it in-depth in the Utah SSM thread.

Basically, Louisiana's economy thrives on tourism, oil, seafood, and trade. Tourism is the most reliable, followed by trade (but only in areas accessible from the Gulf by large ships), and then oil and seafood are tied, with oil making seafood less reliable than the first two, as seen with the Deepwater Horizon spill. Therefore, Louisiana focuses heavily on tourism. Especially in the more populated cities, where there also exist significant pro-LGBT voter blocks. Legalizing SSM would only increase tourism revenue.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

I think the only reason I haven't been asked it is because I don't think many people in areas where I've lived are even aware it exists.

Yeah, lets stop here.



Or state.

I for one, would like to see it legalized in Louisiana and Tennessee, but Louisiana is more likely, so I'm going to predict it'll be the next one.



I'm aware. And you're factually wrong for thinking as such.



No, you wouldn't, because back then, people thought there were only two genders, and oppressed/killed anybody who went contrary to that idea.



My gender is not made up. Gender is not binary.



Those are all terms to more accurately described observed and confirmed phenomena.

No, I'm not. Again, I believe this proves my point that the goal of homosexual activists did not end at "equal treatment" by governments and business, but change the deeply held religious beliefs of citizens. I don't understand how homosexual behavior is equal to someone skin colour. notice I did NOT say "attraction" or "orientation"

You got a problem with LGBT people promoting us not being discriminated against by hyper-religious people? I, for one, would rather not lose my job for fucking another man.

[Blasveck]

If you're going to make science your standard, then use science. 1. There is no proof that homosexual attractions are inborn or 2. if persons with homosexual attractions don't act on their desires, they will somehow explode. 3. You're right, I don't view the want to people to view homosexual behavior as an expression of love the same as rights for ethnic minorities or the religious rights of Jews.

1. I never said there was.

2. Ah, but repression has been demonstrated to have negative effects on mental health.

3. And you're wrong for it. On all levels.

Louisiana, of all places?

Yeah. I explained it in-depth in the Utah SSM thread.

Basically, Louisiana's economy thrives on tourism, oil, seafood, and trade. Tourism is the most reliable, followed by trade (but only in areas accessible from the Gulf by large ships), and then oil and seafood are tied, with oil making seafood less reliable than the first two, as seen with the Deepwater Horizon spill. Therefore, Louisiana focuses heavily on tourism. Especially in the more populated cities, where there also exist significant pro-LGBT voter blocks. Legalizing SSM would only increase tourism revenue.

Any polling on the support for SSM in Louisiana?

I mean, last I checked, they lean pretty starkly to the right.

[Pope Joan]

In honor of the occasion, why not grant a new trial to all convicted felons?

After all, many of them actually are what they say there are ...innocent.

But he was convicted of homosexuality.

Okay, what was wrong with that was the law and not the defendant. But it is too late to make amends; this is a mostly empty gesture. So instead let's try to do a better job of providing the living with justice.

[Grenartia]

I think the only reason I haven't been asked it is because I don't think many people in areas where I've lived are even aware it exists.

Yeah, lets stop here.



Or state.

I for one, would like to see it legalized in Louisiana and Tennessee, but Louisiana is more likely, so I'm going to predict it'll be the next one.



I'm aware. And you're factually wrong for thinking as such.



No, you wouldn't, because back then, people thought there were only two genders, and oppressed/killed anybody who went contrary to that idea.



My gender is not made up. Gender is not binary.



Those are all terms to more accurately described observed and confirmed phenomena.

No, I'm not. 1. Again, I believe this proves my point that the goal of homosexual activists did not end at "equal treatment" by governments and business, but 2. change the deeply held religious beliefs of citizens. 3. I don't understand how homosexual behavior is equal to someone skin colour. 4. notice I did NOT say "attraction" or "orientation"

1. No. We only want equality. Demanding more than equality is not only wrong, but would also legitimize your oppression of us.

2. Not anymore than you wish to change ours.

3. Because there's no legitimate reason to discourage it, because it deprives nobody of their rights without informed consent.

4. I'm aware. And my point still stands.

[Hallistar]

They used to castrate gays in the UK?