Mod-Sanctioned LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[YellowApple]

About time.

[Divair]

I reject the notion that young children can choose/were born with/whatever different genders than their sex. We must consider everyone to have the same sex as their gender initially, and when they reach the age of majority they can do whatever they want.

Nah.

[Divair]

Took long enough.

[KISS Nation]

I reject the notion that young children can choose/were born with/whatever different genders than their sex. We must consider everyone to have the same sex as their gender initially, and when they reach the age of majority they can do whatever they want.

Nah.

I was raised that way, everyone I know was raised that way, and we're all fine. Welcome to the real world.

[Aeken]

Finally.

[Estado Paulista]

Good.

[KISS Nation]

Chemical castration?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Nah.

I was raised that way, everyone I know was raised that way, and we're all fine. Welcome to the real world.

Maybe that's fine for you, but it sure as hell ain't for transsexual people. Seriously, you got a problem with people's gender identity?

[Grenartia]

Ironically?

Wouldn't it be incredibly ironic for a historically discriminated group to, well, discriminate against another historically discriminated group?

Indeed it is. I always thought it rather ironic that homophobia and transphobia are rather prevalent among many black people.

Wouldn't it be incredibly ironic for a historically discriminated group to, well, discriminate against another historically discriminated group?

Reminds me of the black community's dislike of homosexual marriage more than whites.

Seriously, it baffles me.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Reminds me of the black community's dislike of homosexual marriage more than whites.

Seriously, it baffles me.

I think that stems, at least historically, from the prevalence of conservative black churches among the black community.

Whether that's the case nowadays, I'm not sure, though I'm guessing it, primarily, still is.

IIRC, the NAACP has recently expressed support for SSM. I don't know exactly what their stance on the rest of LGBT issues are, but its a step in the right direction.

Reminds me of the black community's dislike of homosexual marriage more than whites.

Seriously, it baffles me.

Latinos too.

Though I've seen a bit more LGBT tolerance among Latinos than black people. Even if its more avoiding the topic altogether on their part than outright hostility like with black people. Its a cultural thing, really.

I think that stems, at least historically, from the prevalence of conservative black churches among the black community.

Whether that's the case nowadays, I'm not sure, though I'm guessing it, primarily, still is.

I'd agree with that. Our churches are usually pretty conservative.

Still. Its baffling as to why, when other churches have no problem with LGBT rights/equality.

It's called the Free Market, businesses are allowed to sack people if they please, you of all people should have no problem with that.

It's also called 1. restricting freedom of speech and 2. discrimination against people based on their political views.

1. No, its not. Freedom of speech only protects you from retaliation by the government. It doesn't protect you from being criticized, nor does it protect you from the other consequences of your statements.

2. See above, in addition to the fact that its rather ironic that somebody who supports discriminating against LGBT people is complaining about discrimination. Pot, meet kettle.

It's also called restricting freedom of speech and discrimination against people based on their political views.

Not really. The government isn't doing any of this, the business wanted him "fired" so they acted out something a free business is allowed to do.

It's not like the government is forcing him off the show, that'd be true restriction of freedom of speech. If someone got fired for being pro gay, you'd find that fine, but god forbid someone gets fired and is anti gay.

Indeed. God forbid.

So recently I found myself at the home of one of my coworkers from Walmart. Having enjoyed the girl and her brothers company and finding them decent people, I figured I would open up about the fact that I was in fact bisexual.

Somehow, ive found the coming out of the closet seems to open one up to numerous questions regarding ones sexual behavior including literally being subjected to the question "So wait, would you than have a girl put on a strap on and do you that way?"

Seriously, I really dont know why people associate being queer with the sexual aspect so much and take your admitting your sexuality as some hint that it's ok to be incredibly vulgar

Welcome to being LGBT. But seriously, yeah, it sucks that people do that shit. And congratulations on being able to come to terms with yourself. Its hard for many people.

So recently I found myself at the home of one of my coworkers from Walmart. Having enjoyed the girl and her brothers company and finding them decent people, I figured I would open up about the fact that I was in fact bisexual.

Somehow, ive found the coming out of the closet seems to open one up to numerous questions regarding ones sexual behavior including literally being subjected to the question "So wait, would you than have a girl put on a strap on and do you that way?"

Seriously, I really dont know why people associate being queer with the sexual aspect so much and take your admitting your sexuality as some hint that it's ok to be incredibly vulgar

My friends are the same way. I don't take it too seriously, really. We're all a real vulgar bunch in the first place. Though, that just could be their coping mechanism. Non-heterosexuality is a pretty big mystery to the majority. If I were you, I'd just chuckle and give half-serious answers to any awkward questions they pose.

I've actually been asked that question as well. Little do they know, "pegging" is considered a heterosexual act.

I haven't been asked the pegging question, but I have been asked others.

That's quite the odd question, though a better reaction than most might have.

At least they didn't asking if you were into beastiality or anything.

Or whether you liked threesomes and foursomes, etc. It could have been far worse. They could have asked, "Did you have a coat?" as they escorted you to the door.

I've been asked the threesomes/multiple partners question.

It doesn't make any sense. Even seemingly decent people find something vulgar about not being heterosexual.

Should probably ask them wildly inappropriate questions back, I'd give examples but they would probably violate the PG-13 ruling.

I've already thought of several.

So recently I found myself at the home of one of my coworkers from Walmart. Having enjoyed the girl and her brothers company and finding them decent people, I figured I would open up about the fact that I was in fact bisexual.

Somehow, ive found the coming out of the closet seems to open one up to numerous questions regarding ones sexual behavior including literally being subjected to the question "So wait, would you than have a girl put on a strap on and do you that way?"

Seriously, I really dont know why people associate being queer with the sexual aspect so much and take your admitting your sexuality as some hint that it's ok to be incredibly vulgar

things that annoy me

1) people that take being bi/etc. as an invitation to start questioning your sex life far beyond what they would for a straight person
2) people that take being trans an invitation to start asking you lots of weird questions about your "status"
3) the fact that lots of gay people don't take bi people seriously and lots of gay and bi people don't take transpeople seriously

so yeah, at least they didn't try and grab your genitals

Indeed. A lot of it is based in total ignorance (coming from somebody who did the second thing, even including gems like "what's your real name?" and "are you really a woman, or do you still have a dick?" when I first met a transwoman, though in hindsight, it should've been really fucking obvious not to ask the questions, even though the answers the woman I asked did give me greater insight into trans* issues, and I'm glad as fucking hell that she managed to look past my stupid and offensive questions), but still. There's no excuse. The questions wouldn't be necessary if there were greater basic knowledge of the issues.

It's called the Free Market, businesses are allowed to sack people if they please, you of all people should have no problem with that.

So, should be allowed to business "sack" homosexuals? Because in a total and complete free market, anyone can be "sacked" for anything. There would be no special class protection for anyone for anything.

No, not at all. Most of us (myself included) are just pointing out the hypocrisy among a group of people who historically support a business's 'right' to hire/fire/dismiss/suspend anybody they want for any reason, and yet are outraged when a business does that to somebody when its against somebody who supports their ignorant, bigoted worldview.

[KISS Nation]

I was raised that way, everyone I know was raised that way, and we're all fine. Welcome to the real world.

Maybe that's fine for you, but it sure as hell ain't for transsexual people. Seriously, you got a problem with people's gender identity?

Hey, if people want to be a girl or whatever, that's cool, but let's not make up new genders to describe it.

[The Traditional Catholic Papal States]

I don't really compare the history of the Jews to the "struggle" of homosexuals, but I would not condone it but, antisemitic statements based on religion is still protected speech.

Are you aware of the history of violence against homosexuals?

Yes, and violence against homosexuals is wrong but I don't believe that not approving of homosexual behavior is going to lead me to committing violence against an homosexual. Plus, I believe in all of human history, the Jew and ethnic minorities have faced a lot of discrimination than homosexuals. Plus, I don't view the goal of homosexual activists of changing the people like me opinion's on homosexuality or make us shut up are equal to voting rights for ethnic minorities or religious rights for Jews.

This comes down to the view that homosexual activists have that unchosen sexual orientation/attraction is equal to someone's skin color, eye color or hair color, that just because someone does not choose to have such feelings must mean someone is born with them. That is simply not true. There are many characteristics that are unchosen but implanted after birth.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Maybe that's fine for you, but it sure as hell ain't for transsexual people. Seriously, you got a problem with people's gender identity?

Hey, if people want to be a girl or whatever, that's cool, but let's not make up new genders to describe it.

Gender identity ain't a choice.

[Coccygia]

I am sure this will come as very happy news to him.

[Tekania]

So, let try to understand this. Homosexuality is a protected class, but expression of religion on homosexual behavior is not protected speech? And he was suspended because of his comments based on his religious beliefs on homosexual behavior.

Protected speech is only related to government interference in people's speech or punblication. This is not a "protected speech" issue. Religion is a protected class. In a spokesperson capacity under contract or while currently working ones speech can have negative impact on company image. While a company cannot fire you for your belief, they can fire you for what you say while in representation of the company. Or in the case of a contract situation like this, one can potentially be suspended for the negative publicity you have brought to the company.

[Blasveck]

Nah.

I was raised that way, everyone I know was raised that way, and we're all fine. Welcome to the real world.

I don't think you understand the word 'minority'.

Or if you do, I hope yopu understand that trans folk are a minority.

Whether you were 'raised that way' has no bearing on the fact that transpeople still exist.

[KISS Nation]

Hey, if people want to be a girl or whatever, that's cool, but let's not make up new genders to describe it.

Gender identity ain't a choice.

I never said it was.

[Sibirsky]

Okay, then it is not a true free market then if there are laws if there are restrictions on reasons who you can fire.

No, actually, you shouldn't. You should be able to fire an incompetent employee, but discrimination ain't okay.
#Fuck the 'Free' market

Yes, fuck the tool responsible for lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty. They should have all starved to death.

[KISS Nation]

No, actually, you shouldn't. You should be able to fire an incompetent employee, but discrimination ain't okay.
#Fuck the 'Free' market

Yes, fuck the tool responsible for lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty. They should have all starved to death.

Welcome to the third way of thinking.

[Mad Jack]

Totally not relevant to the thread.

[Aeken]

No, actually, you shouldn't. You should be able to fire an incompetent employee, but discrimination ain't okay.
#Fuck the 'Free' market

Yes, fuck the tool responsible for lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty. They should have all starved to death.

Not the place for it.

[Sibirsky]

hmm its almost like a true free market does not and never will exist

You're right. So, you can't call shout "free market" when A&E fires Paul Robertson and then shout "discrimination" when a Catholic School fires a active homosexual. In a "free market", both had a right to fire whom they wish, but if we are starting to include the idea of "protected classes", then one can argue that Mr. Robertson was fired for his religious beliefs regarding homosexual behavior

He was fired for not complying with company policy.

[Divair]

Nah.

I was raised that way, everyone I know was raised that way, and we're all fine. Welcome to the real world.

I don't particularly care about how you were raised. I didn't ask.

[Tekania]

Maybe that's fine for you, but it sure as hell ain't for transsexual people. Seriously, you got a problem with people's gender identity?

Hey, if people want to be a girl or whatever, that's cool, but let's not make up new genders to describe it.

It's a fairly simple concept, you address someone, you are informed it was an error, you address them in the way they prefer. This isn't rocket science.

[KISS Nation]

I was raised that way, everyone I know was raised that way, and we're all fine. Welcome to the real world.

I don't particularly care about how you were raised. I didn't ask.

Well, clearly you need to rethink how you were.

[Blasveck]

Are you aware of the history of violence against homosexuals?

Yes, and violence against homosexuals is wrong but I don't believe that not approving of homosexual behavior is going to lead me to committing violence against an homosexual. Plus, I believe in all of human history, the Jew and ethnic minorities have faced a lot of discrimination than homosexuals. Plus, I don't view the goal of homosexual activists of changing the people like me opinion's on homosexuality or make us shut up are equal to voting rights for ethnic minorities or religious rights for Jews.

I think a right to not be killed for who you are is pretty equal.

Hell, in 7 countries, the dealth penalty exists for being gay.