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Postby The Norgan Alliance » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:07 pm

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The Norgan Alliance wrote:What does this have to do with corporations? Did you quote the wrong person by mistake?

He said nothing about how LGB people should be discriminated against.
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What about the 'T'?

What about it?
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Postby New Edom » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:10 pm

The issue about the same sex couple is, as I understand it, not that they wanted to buy a cake but that they wanted to buy a wedding cake. I think that it would be one thing if we lived in an environment where gays were not served at restaurants or shops. In this case however a better response than a fine is to blackball the bakery if you agree with the gay couple, and advise "This bakery is prejudiced against gay couples." I think that is very fair. That leaves those who agree with the baker's stance free to agree with him, and those who disagree to disagree. Then he can deal with whether he takes a significant loss in his business or not.
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Postby The Norgan Alliance » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:12 pm

Thafoo wrote:Yay! Fabulous megathread!

Alrighty, who wishes to argue with me? Any takers?

About what exactly?
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:13 pm

The Norgan Alliance wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Yay! Fabulous megathread!

Alrighty, who wishes to argue with me? Any takers?

About what exactly?

Maybe LGBT rights? Which is the whole point of this thread? :roll:

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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:13 pm

Thafoo wrote:Yay! Fabulous megathread!

Alrighty, who wishes to argue with me? Any takers?

Scott Pilgrim sucks!

There you go. :P
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Postby Lost heros » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:14 pm

Liriena wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Yay! Fabulous megathread!

Alrighty, who wishes to argue with me? Any takers?

Scott Pilgrim sucks!

There you go. :P

You take that back right now.
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Postby The Norgan Alliance » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:15 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
The Norgan Alliance wrote:About what exactly?

Maybe LGBT rights? Which is the whole point of this thread? :roll:

No really?

Is there a specific thing he wants to debate about? Or is he just asking if we want to debate general things.
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Postby Thafoo » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:15 pm

The Norgan Alliance wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Yay! Fabulous megathread!

Alrighty, who wishes to argue with me? Any takers?

About what exactly?

That depends. Do you have anything against LGBT people?
Liriena wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Yay! Fabulous megathread!

Alrighty, who wishes to argue with me? Any takers?

Scott Pilgrim sucks!

There you go. :P

Yes, I know he does. But it's the good kind of sucks, you know? ;)

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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:15 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Liriena wrote:Scott Pilgrim sucks!

There you go. :P

You take that back right now.

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine! :P

The movie is awesome, and the comic book seems to be even better. :3
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Postby San » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:17 pm

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Fascist Russian Empire wrote:You haven't read any of New Molsona's posts, have you? Seriously, he promotes discrimination against LGBT people in every single thread he posts in.

Well he hasn't done any of that so far.

i take it you're unfamiliar with molsona
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Postby Thafoo » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:17 pm

Liriena wrote:
Lost heros wrote:You take that back right now.

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine! :P

The movie is awesome, and the comic book seems to be even better. :3

It's really too bad they made him... ugh... Michael Cera...

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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:18 pm

The Norgan Alliance wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:You haven't read any of New Molsona's posts, have you? Seriously, he promotes discrimination against LGBT people in every single thread he posts in.

Well he hasn't done any of that so far.

Yes, actually, he has.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:18 pm

The Norgan Alliance wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:You haven't read any of New Molsona's posts, have you? Seriously, he promotes discrimination against LGBT people in every single thread he posts in.

Well he hasn't done any of that so far.

Are you sure? Because that's pretty much all of Molsona's posts.
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Postby The Norgan Alliance » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:21 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
The Norgan Alliance wrote:Well he hasn't done any of that so far.

Yes, actually, he has.

In this thread? Links would be nice.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:23 pm

The Norgan Alliance wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:
Freedom of speech doesn't apply to corporations. The constitution only guarantees those freedoms from Restrictions put in place by Congress or any other body of the Government.

What does this have to do with corporations? Did you quote the wrong person by mistake?
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Oh, sure, it's perfectly okay to restrict freedoms and discriminate against LGBT people, but God forbid someone do it to someone who is anti-LGBT. #Hypocrisy

He said nothing about how LGB people should be discriminated against.
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You know, making that kind of statement about someone with a long NS posting history is always fraught with peril. And yes, he has frequently spoken out, in rather graphic terms, against giving LGBT people equal treatment under the law:

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It's not wrong. Explain to me how same sex people getting married affects you.

It affects America as a whole, allowing gay "marriage to be legalized severely damages the morals we have left in America and at displeases the God of probably every major religion, including Islam, the religion loved so much by liberals.


Also, apparently we're too sissy to know what to do with guns (Trivia note: Victor Willis, the cop from The Village People, is in fact straight):

New Molsona wrote:What's a gay person (besides the cop from the Village People) going to do with a gun?


Also, if a place is anti-LGBT, it's our own damn fault for sticking around:

New Molsona wrote:1. Gay marriage isn't a human right, it's an abomination towards God.
2. If the place you live is anti-gay, why would you even want to live there. If I was living somewhere that was anti-black or anti-Catholic, I'd move


Also, apparently people choose to be gay (and by implication do not deserve civil rights, because after all it's a "choice"):

New Molsona wrote:If gays are "born that way" why is it that it's possible that one twin is straight and the other is gay?


Again, refusing to accept the well-documented evidence that a large part of LGBT orientation is genetic or otherwise beyond (sub)conscious choice:

New Molsona wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:Because some homosexuals were born there and can't move somewhere else.

How could someone become gay with all the anti-gay propaganda?


Also, we are apparently sinners by existing:

New Molsona wrote:both gays and bi people are sinners and they should all repent


Frankly, New Molsona's posting history re: LGBT issues amounts to a blot of homophobic hysteria, particularly by NS' standards. I'm not saying that he isn't permitted to hold that opinion - in fact, he is, and he's been careful not to cross the lines demarcated by the site's rules - but the attitude remains there, and it's perfectly OK to call it out.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:26 pm

Phil Robertson: 'I Will Not Back Off from My Path'

Typical for Republicans, Robertson doubles down on his claims that homosexuality is a gateway to bestiality and that blacks were better off under Jim Crow.

And reality gives another bitch slap to free market fanboys as a company exercising its right drowns in outrage, shooting down the notion that the free market self-corrects against bigored views.

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Postby Cevalo Nacio » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:33 pm

So recently I found myself at the home of one of my coworkers from Walmart. Having enjoyed the girl and her brothers company and finding them decent people, I figured I would open up about the fact that I was in fact bisexual.

Somehow, ive found the coming out of the closet seems to open one up to numerous questions regarding ones sexual behavior including literally being subjected to the question "So wait, would you than have a girl put on a strap on and do you that way?"

Seriously, I really dont know why people associate being queer with the sexual aspect so much and take your admitting your sexuality as some hint that it's ok to be incredibly vulgar

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Postby Tekania » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:34 pm

Gauthier wrote:Phil Robertson: 'I Will Not Back Off from My Path'

Typical for Republicans, Robertson doubles down on his claims that homosexuality is a gateway to bestiality and that blacks were better off under Jim Crow.

And reality gives another bitch slap to free market fanboys as a company exercising its right drowns in outrage, shooting down the notion that the free market self-corrects against bigored views.

Cracker Barrel puts 'Duck Dynasty' items back on shelves after customer outrage


The market does what the market is going to do; that is whatever makes it the most money. LOL It's just a fact that being a bigot in certain things does still sell, and someone expecting the "market" to compensate against it is deluded. Which is why we regulate things. We didn't stop kids in the US from working in dangerous mills via market demands.. hehe. No, we told the fucking market what it was going to do, and what we were going to do it, if it didn't do it.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:45 pm

Cevalo Nacio wrote:So recently I found myself at the home of one of my coworkers from Walmart. Having enjoyed the girl and her brothers company and finding them decent people, I figured I would open up about the fact that I was in fact bisexual.

Somehow, ive found the coming out of the closet seems to open one up to numerous questions regarding ones sexual behavior including literally being subjected to the question "So wait, would you than have a girl put on a strap on and do you that way?"

Seriously, I really dont know why people associate being queer with the sexual aspect so much and take your admitting your sexuality as some hint that it's ok to be incredibly vulgar

My friends are the same way. I don't take it too seriously, really. We're all a real vulgar bunch in the first place. Though, that just could be their coping mechanism. Non-heterosexuality is a pretty big mystery to the majority. If I were you, I'd just chuckle and give half-serious answers to any awkward questions they pose.

I've actually been asked that question as well. Little do they know, "pegging" is considered a heterosexual act. :p
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:47 pm

Gauthier wrote:Phil Robertson: 'I Will Not Back Off from My Path'

Typical for Republicans, Robertson doubles down on his claims that homosexuality is a gateway to bestiality and that blacks were better off under Jim Crow.

And reality gives another bitch slap to free market fanboys as a company exercising its right drowns in outrage, shooting down the notion that the free market self-corrects against bigored views.

Cracker Barrel puts 'Duck Dynasty' items back on shelves after customer outrage

Phil knows that A&E wouldn't dare fire him.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:48 pm

Cevalo Nacio wrote:So recently I found myself at the home of one of my coworkers from Walmart. Having enjoyed the girl and her brothers company and finding them decent people, I figured I would open up about the fact that I was in fact bisexual.

Somehow, ive found the coming out of the closet seems to open one up to numerous questions regarding ones sexual behavior including literally being subjected to the question "So wait, would you than have a girl put on a strap on and do you that way?"

Seriously, I really dont know why people associate being queer with the sexual aspect so much and take your admitting your sexuality as some hint that it's ok to be incredibly vulgar

It doesn't make any sense. Even seemingly decent people find something vulgar about not being heterosexual.
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:49 pm

Cevalo Nacio wrote:So recently I found myself at the home of one of my coworkers from Walmart. Having enjoyed the girl and her brothers company and finding them decent people, I figured I would open up about the fact that I was in fact bisexual.

Somehow, ive found the coming out of the closet seems to open one up to numerous questions regarding ones sexual behavior including literally being subjected to the question "So wait, would you than have a girl put on a strap on and do you that way?"

Seriously, I really dont know why people associate being queer with the sexual aspect so much and take your admitting your sexuality as some hint that it's ok to be incredibly vulgar

That's quite the odd question, though a better reaction than most might have.

At least they didn't asking if you were into beastiality or anything.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:54 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Cevalo Nacio wrote:So recently I found myself at the home of one of my coworkers from Walmart. Having enjoyed the girl and her brothers company and finding them decent people, I figured I would open up about the fact that I was in fact bisexual.

Somehow, ive found the coming out of the closet seems to open one up to numerous questions regarding ones sexual behavior including literally being subjected to the question "So wait, would you than have a girl put on a strap on and do you that way?"

Seriously, I really dont know why people associate being queer with the sexual aspect so much and take your admitting your sexuality as some hint that it's ok to be incredibly vulgar

That's quite the odd question, though a better reaction than most might have.

At least they didn't asking if you were into beastiality or anything.

Or whether you liked threesomes and foursomes, etc. It could have been far worse. They could have asked, "Did you have a coat?" as they escorted you to the door.
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Postby Tekania » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:55 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Cevalo Nacio wrote:So recently I found myself at the home of one of my coworkers from Walmart. Having enjoyed the girl and her brothers company and finding them decent people, I figured I would open up about the fact that I was in fact bisexual.

Somehow, ive found the coming out of the closet seems to open one up to numerous questions regarding ones sexual behavior including literally being subjected to the question "So wait, would you than have a girl put on a strap on and do you that way?"

Seriously, I really dont know why people associate being queer with the sexual aspect so much and take your admitting your sexuality as some hint that it's ok to be incredibly vulgar

It doesn't make any sense. Even seemingly decent people find something vulgar about not being heterosexual.


Should probably ask them wildly inappropriate questions back, I'd give examples but they would probably violate the PG-13 ruling.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:57 pm

Cevalo Nacio wrote:So recently I found myself at the home of one of my coworkers from Walmart. Having enjoyed the girl and her brothers company and finding them decent people, I figured I would open up about the fact that I was in fact bisexual.

Somehow, ive found the coming out of the closet seems to open one up to numerous questions regarding ones sexual behavior including literally being subjected to the question "So wait, would you than have a girl put on a strap on and do you that way?"

Seriously, I really dont know why people associate being queer with the sexual aspect so much and take your admitting your sexuality as some hint that it's ok to be incredibly vulgar

Wow, that's just...I don't know what to say. Some people just like asking completely ridiculous and explicit questions about sexual behavior, apparently. Ugh.

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