All Your TET Are Belong To Us!

[Jetan]

Yep.


Also, 6-1!

*Whistles Maamme*

*Joins in*

[Lianhua (Ancient)]

*Whistles Maamme*

Don't yours and Estonia's anthem share the same tune or something? I found that interesting.

[Divair]

More than missed. He'll be mourned globally. He wasn't just liked, he was loved.

And now we await the fallout of his death. There are two reasons to be upset over his passing. 1) A great human being has been lost, one that served as inspiration and hope for many 2) His death now means that certain not so great situations involving SA might possibly happen.

He was a golden age personified. Now that it's gone..
I don't want to think about it.

[Taoju]

More like a logistical nightmare. Technocracy in it's raw form will only lead to despotism. Or enlightened despotism. Or some shit like that.

Apply democracy or a merit based system to keep things in check.

Technocracy is merit based. Only the educated and intelligent would have power.

Technocracy is the rule of the qualified and educated. The problem is, they won't step down. Not so merit based, is it?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I've never read it (or heard of it), but just off the term "white nationalism", doesn't imply Racism. It's Racialism. I'd be considered a white nationalist somewhat, I'm proud of being white. But in no way do I genetically care about race. I'm more concerned about culture and education.

White nationalism is white supremacy. Racist through and through.

Basically it means that whites should stick to whites, Asians with Asians, etc.

Which is quite racist, as it only serves to divide.

[New Laikland]

Not entirely. Meritocracy implies change whenever possible. Leaders will be challenged if under qualified and removed from power. Pure technocracy only devolves into despotism Applying nationalism is spitting on the original ideal, and you should feel horrible.

mer·i·toc·ra·cy (mr-tkr-s)
n. pl. mer·i·toc·ra·cies
1. A system in which advancement is based on individual ability or achievement.
2.
a. A group of leaders or officeholders selected on the basis of individual ability or achievement.
b. Leadership by such a group.

It means that whoever deserves the power will get it. It doesn't quite mean that it will change when possible or needed.

Applying nationalism isn't changing much. Technocracy, even in it's original form, allowed the idea of nations and even supported it.

[Immoren]

"Take my love.
Take my land.
Take me where I cannot stand.
I don't care,
I'm still free.
You can't take the sky from me.

Take me out to the black.
Tell em I ain't comin' back.
Burn the land
And boil the sea.
You can't take the sky from me.

There's no place I can be
Since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the sky from me."

Firefly nostalgia attack?

I actually watched pilot for the first time today on Netflix. I've seen Serenity, but I've yet to watch the entirety of Firefly.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Firefly nostalgia attack?

I actually watched pilot for the first time today on Netflix. I've seen Serenity, but I've yet to watch the entirety of Firefly.

HERETIC!

[Immoren]

Yep.


Also, 6-1!

*Whistles Maamme*

*Plays Finladia*
*hispter immy*

[Lianhua (Ancient)]

Nail on the head. Neo Nazis and other idiots are more of a danger to society and nation than good.

It's also why political bases and platforms that cater to them, however justified and idealistic, are generally not a good thing for society.

[New Laikland]

Basically it means that whites should stick to whites, Asians with Asians, etc.

Which is quite racist, as it only serves to divide.

Racialism is including race into your opinions. That's it. Racism is the belief that a race is superior or inferior to another. On the white nationalist part, not quite, again. Like I said, I'm white; I've dated a black girl before, a hispanic girl, and would do it again.

[Jetan]

*Whistles Maamme*

Don't yours and Estonia's anthem share the same tune or something? I found that interesting.

Yep. Ours was first though.

[Immoren]

I actually watched pilot for the first time today on Netflix. I've seen Serenity, but I've yet to watch the entirety of Firefly.

HERETIC!

But it was never shown on Finnish channels to my knowledge.
And I wasn't big on downloading shows from the Net before recently.

[Napkiraly]

And now we await the fallout of his death. There are two reasons to be upset over his passing. 1) A great human being has been lost, one that served as inspiration and hope for many 2) His death now means that certain not so great situations involving SA might possibly happen.

He was a golden age personified. Now that it's gone..
I don't want to think about it.

Honestly hope the shit bags are still able to be held at bay. If not...

[New Laikland]

Nail on the head. Neo Nazis and other idiots are more of a danger to society and nation than good.

It's also why political bases and platforms that cater to them, however justified and idealistic, are generally not a good thing for society.

A proper, intelligent, nationalist government wouldn't cater to them. If Golden Dawn deports a bunch of illegal immigrants, I hope they deport the neo nazis with them.

[Sanguinea]

But it would be unrealistic to expect most people to be able to make the intellectual distinction between racialism and racism - a distinction most neo-nazi and neo-fascist thugs may not be able to do. Were they as socially responsible as they were intelligent, or had they thought it through, they should have at least thought about that.

In reality racialism is nothing more than a fancy way to say that you're a racist while still pretending to be a decent human being.

No necessarily, one can legitimately be a racialist and not be a supremacist. But like Lianhua said, most people aren't intelligent enough to know the difference.

[New Laikland]

Now, put the debates on hold, Im making another pizza

[Taoju]

Not entirely. Meritocracy implies change whenever possible. Leaders will be challenged if under qualified and removed from power. Pure technocracy only devolves into despotism Applying nationalism is spitting on the original ideal, and you should feel horrible.

mer·i·toc·ra·cy (mr-tkr-s)
n. pl. mer·i·toc·ra·cies
1. A system in which advancement is based on individual ability or achievement.
2.
a. A group of leaders or officeholders selected on the basis of individual ability or achievement.
b. Leadership by such a group.

It means that whoever deserves the power will get it. It doesn't quite mean that it will change when possible or needed.

Applying nationalism isn't changing much. Technocracy, even in it's original form, allowed the idea of nations and even supported it.

That notion of meritocracy is outdated. The revamped version is more akin to constant change. Leaders will rise and fall according to their qualifications. Technocracy, on the other hand instills power solely to those qualified, and the status quo is held on tightly after that. Meritocracy seeks the destruction of the status quo.

Supported it, but not to the extent of Fascism or nationalism. Patriotism sure, but not nationalism.

[Anollasia]

I do not have the slightest clue what to say, therefore I shall leave TET for the time being.

In other words, see ya bitches!

[Oaledonia]

Hey TET, just having one of those days where the depression keeps adding up to unbearable levels. Not sure what to do, I'm actually kind of scared.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Firefly nostalgia attack?

I actually watched pilot for the first time today on Netflix. I've seen Serenity, but I've yet to watch the entirety of Firefly.

You must. No words can describe just how brilliant a show it was.

[Jetan]

I do not have the slightest clue what to say, therefore I shall leave TET for the time being.

In other words, see ya bitches!

Watch happy anime and eat chocolate while wearing wool socks.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Basically it means that whites should stick to whites, Asians with Asians, etc.

Which is quite racist, as it only serves to divide.

Racialism is including race into your opinions. That's it. Racism is the belief that a race is superior or inferior to another. On the white nationalist part, not quite, again. Like I said, I'm white; I've dated a black girl before, a hispanic girl, and would do it again.

And this is why you're not a white nationalist you are proud of your own race, and nobody - and I mean nobody - is disputing you should not. Problem is when one race feels superior to another regardless of which race it is that the issue comes, but using your background for your opinions? That's understandable as nobody can escape their background - not even the most enlightened among us.

I'm currently working things out with a white woman (more like Italian-American she keeps on pestering me about it) and I can say we're both happy, and if I could do it again I would.

[Hurdegaryp]

Just throwing this around once more, for the link is relevant.

I saw it before, but didn't bother replying due to your ignorance.

And as always you do not bother to explain exactly why I'm ignorant, despite the many ways in which Golden Dawn has expressed its undying love for nazism. A quote if you like (or not like, I do not particularly care):

Ilias Kasidiaris, a spokesman for Golden Dawn, wrote an article that was published in Golden Dawn magazine on 20 April 2011, in which he said, "What would the future of Europe and the whole modern world be like if World War II (which the democracies, or in fact the Jews – according to general Ioannis Metaxas – declared on Germany) hadn't stopped the renewing route of National Socialism? Certainly, fundamental values which mainly derive from ancient Greek culture, would be dominant in every state and would define the fate of peoples. Romanticism as a spiritual movement and classicism would prevail against the decadent subculture that corroded the white man. Extreme materialism would have been discarded, giving its place to spiritual exaltation". In the same article, Adolf Hitler is characterized as a "great social reformer" and "military genius".

In an article published in 1987 in the Golden Dawn magazine titled "Hitler for 1000 years", its editor Michaloliakos showed his support for Nazism and white supremacy. Specifically he wrote, "We are the faithful soldiers of the National Socialist idea and nothing else" and "[...] WE EXIST, and continue the battle, the battle for the final victory of our race". He ends the article by writing "1987, 42 years later, with our thought and soul given to the last great battle, with our thought and soul given to the black and red banners, with our thought and soul given to the memory of our great Leader, we raise our right hand up, we salute the Sun and with the courage, that is compelled by our military honor and our National Socialist duty we shout full of passion, faith to the future and our visions: HEIL HITLER!". Furthermore he uses capital letters for pronouns referring to Hitler ("by Himself", "His people").

On 17 August 1987, the war criminal Rudolf Hess, Adolf Hitler's deputy in the Nazi Party, who was given a life sentence at the Nuremberg Trials, committed suicide. The following day, on 18 August 1987, Golden Dawn members distributed proclamations in the center of Athens with the phrase RUDOLF HESS IMMORTAL (Greek: RUDOLF HESS ΑΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ).

In pictures taken during the first congress of Golden Dawn in February 1990, the congress hall is decorated with the Swastika and the Wolfsangel.

There are many cases in which Golden Dawn members have appeared to give a Nazi salute. The founder of the party, Nikolaos Michaloliakos, appeared to give a Nazi salute in the Athens city council. He claims that it was merely "the salute of the national youth organisation of Ioannis Metaxas". The party states its logo is a traditional Greek meander, not a Nazi symbol.

In May 2012, Golden Dawn ran in Greek elections under the slogan "So we can rid this land of filth". On his post-election statement, the leader, Nikolaos Michaloliakos, had placed a marble eagle on an obvious position on his desk, which according to media reports bears similarity to the eagle of the Nazi Third Reich. After the elections, Eleni Zaroulia, a Golden Dawn MP, wore an iron cross ring during her inauguration, a symbol which has been associated with Nazism. As depicted in a picture taken on 14 September 2012, Panagiotis Iliopoulos, another Golden Dawn MP, has a tattoo reading the Nazi greeting Sieg Heil.

On 23 July 2012, Artemis Matthaiopoulos, a member of Golden Dawn, was elected as MP for the town of Serres. The website left.gr (associated with SYRIZA), reported that Matthaiopoulos was the frontman of the Nazi punk band "Pogrom" and pointed to the band's song "Auschwitz" with antisemitic lyrics such as "fuck Anne Frank" and "Juden raus".

Ilias Kasidiaris quoted the antisemitic hoax The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in a speech to parliament on 23 October 2012. Defending himself in a discussion on whether to lift his parliamentary immunity over his assault of Kanelli, he quoted Protocol 19: "In order to destroy the prestige of heroism we shall send them for trial in the category of theft, murder and every kind of abominable and filthy crime." Moreover, Kasidiaris bears a swastika tattoo on his arm.

Golden Dawn's leader, Nikolaos Michaloliakos, denied the existence of gas chambers and ovens at Nazi extermination camps. On 6 June 2013, the Golden Dawn MP Ilias Kasidiaris implied during a stormy debate in the Greek Parliament that he is a Holocaust denier.

If it looks like shit, smells like shit and has all the characteristics of shit, one does not need to taste it to know it's shit.

[Divair]

Asimbonanga
Asimbonang' uMandela thina
Laph'ekhona
Laph'ehleli khona

Oh the sea is cold and the sky is grey
Look across the Island into the Bay
We are all islands till comes the day
We cross the burning water