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Postby Taoju » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:41 pm

New Laikland wrote:
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History has made examples of countries and politicians who supported extreme left and right ideologies.

I try to repeat it.


Fascism is hardly extreme right. True, European Fascism would more or less be leftist, even. The countries who were "Extreme" right or left were not made examples because of their ideologies, but their leader's stupidity.

Fascism is a right wing ideology. Any ideology that seeks to preserve the status quo is right wing in theory.
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Postby Taoju » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:42 pm

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:hug:

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:42 pm

Sanguinea wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:And I may seem rather grave and virulent at the moment, but we've had right wing extremists in here before. Those were not good times. I for one do not wish for the return of such unfortunate individuals.

What sort of people were they? Fundie Christians?

Totalitarianists and their sympathizers/apologists.
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Postby Uieurnthlaal » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:42 pm

I stay off TET for a few days, and 400 pages go by. Does NSG just have more posters now?
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Postby Taoju » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:42 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Sanguinea wrote:What sort of people were they? Fundie Christians?

Totalitarianists and their sympathizers/apologists.

So basically me.

o/
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Postby New Laikland » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:43 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:I see you fancy yourself to be quite the future elite of the coming storm. Granted, you churn out more coherent sentences than the average hooligan that you one day hope to instruct, but it's quite clear where your sympathies lie. It is common for a certain kind of people to systematically deny the relevance of Wikipedia articles, you fit in quite nicely in that group. There are other places on the internet where you can howl with the wolves, go there.


Hope to instruct? Multiple times here I said that I'd love to deport Neo Nazis or other brainless idiots. I'd never instruct them. That group is literally the majority of NSG. I've seen more leftists deny the relevance of Wikipedia, which I did not, than rightists. I simply said that many points presented in that article mean nothing, because they can be broken down and explained as not actually being evil neo nazi racist white supremacists.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:43 pm

Taoju wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Totalitarianists and their sympathizers/apologists.

So basically me.

o/

I hope you're actually more intelligent than that.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Saveyou Island » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:43 pm

Uieurnthlaal wrote:I stay off TET for a few days, and 400 pages go by. Does NSG just have more posters now?

Nope, just Chuck Testa.
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:44 pm

Taoju wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote: :hug:

shh
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Yeah. Just hope. He brought us a lot of that, and maybe it will guide us in the coming times.
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Postby Lianhua (Ancient) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:44 pm

New Laikland wrote:Fascism is hardly extreme right. True, European Fascism would more or less be leftist, even. The countries who were "Extreme" right or left were not made examples because of their ideologies, but their leader's stupidity.

How is it not extreme right? One can argue Mussolini's "We must have a direct representation of all interests", but that doesn't change how it militarizes and radicalizes nationalism, makes morbid stoics out of the population and encourages breach of privacy.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:44 pm

Taoju wrote:Racial equality is achieved through education and understanding. I feel that has been the point that has been overlooked in combating racism.


It's what I keep telling myself too. Understanding is an integral part of anything that has to do with eradicating bad ideas. Without understanding, I doubt people can get rid of racism and other forms of -isms quickly.
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Postby New Laikland » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:45 pm

Taoju wrote:Fascism is a right wing ideology. Any ideology that seeks to preserve the status quo is right wing in theory.


Socially, it wouldn't be. You can have the sort of pro-Christian morality of Nazism, or you can have actual European society, which is far freer and progressive than what we consider to be our culture.

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Postby New Laikland » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:46 pm

Lianhua wrote:
New Laikland wrote:Fascism is hardly extreme right. True, European Fascism would more or less be leftist, even. The countries who were "Extreme" right or left were not made examples because of their ideologies, but their leader's stupidity.

How is it not extreme right? One can argue Mussolini's "We must have a direct representation of all interests", but that doesn't change how it militarizes and radicalizes nationalism, makes morbid stoics out of the population and encourages breach of privacy.

See my post right above this. Nationalism is, in itself, Militarized anyway. Nor does it Radicalize it, it simply places it where it should be.

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Postby Taoju » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:46 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Taoju wrote:So basically me.

o/

I hope you're actually more intelligent than that.

I only have sympathized with one mildly authoritarian man.

Lee Kwan Yew.

Other than that, my moral compass makes my mind vomit whenever I see a dictator. Even moreso because I am a minority that may just end up on their body count even if I sympathized with them.
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Postby Divair » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:46 pm

From this day forth, I commit to making myself a better person. To choosing love over hate. To choosing tolerance over intolerance. To choosing equality over discrimination. To making this planet a better place.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:47 pm

Lies and Ignorance wrote:
Taoju wrote:shh
no tears
only hope

Yeah. Just hope. He brought us a lot of that, and maybe it will guide us in the coming times.


To be fair, he wasn't without faults. As a human, I assure you he had plenty, but his good ideological legacy is what is important, and he was a great person when it came to that.
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Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

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Postby New Laikland » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:47 pm

Divair wrote:From this day forth, I commit to making myself a better person. To choosing love over hate. To choosing tolerance over intolerance. To choosing equality over discrimination. To making this planet a better place.

Time to be intolerant to the intolerant, yeah?

Also, equality is a horrible un-natural, broken idea.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:47 pm

New Laikland wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:I see you fancy yourself to be quite the future elite of the coming storm. Granted, you churn out more coherent sentences than the average hooligan that you one day hope to instruct, but it's quite clear where your sympathies lie. It is common for a certain kind of people to systematically deny the relevance of Wikipedia articles, you fit in quite nicely in that group. There are other places on the internet where you can howl with the wolves, go there.


Hope to instruct? Multiple times here I said that I'd love to deport Neo Nazis or other brainless idiots. I'd never instruct them. That group is literally the majority of NSG. I've seen more leftists deny the relevance of Wikipedia, which I did not, than rightists. I simply said that many points presented in that article mean nothing, because they can be broken down and explained as not actually being evil neo nazi racist white supremacists.

All those swastikas, writings and that peculiar colour scheme of their party flag are just coincidences, amirite? It's simple: Golden Dawn is led by scum and supported by scum. It is good that the party leaders are prosecuted, for parliaments should not be places where the leaders of criminal organizations can run free.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Lianhua (Ancient) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:48 pm

Divair wrote:From this day forth, I commit to making myself a better person. To choosing love over hate. To choosing tolerance over intolerance. To choosing equality over discrimination. To making this planet a better place.

:hug: :kiss:
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Remember this, and you shall go far.
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Postby Katyuscha » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:48 pm

Divair wrote:From this day forth, I commit to making myself a better person. To choosing love over hate. To choosing tolerance over intolerance. To choosing equality over discrimination. To making this planet a better place.

I don't see why it took a death for this change to happen.
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Postby Taoju » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:48 pm

Lies and Ignorance wrote:
Taoju wrote:shh
no tears
only hope

Yeah. Just hope. He brought us a lot of that, and maybe it will guide us in the coming times.

His legacy has to be kept alive. Mourning seems to not do much but give his opposers a field day.

New Laikland wrote:
Taoju wrote:Fascism is a right wing ideology. Any ideology that seeks to preserve the status quo is right wing in theory.


Socially, it wouldn't be. You can have the sort of pro-Christian morality of Nazism, or you can have actual European society, which is far freer and progressive than what we consider to be our culture.

Still unacceptable in today's times.
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Postby Meritocratic States » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:48 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Tenets

Fascism is hardly diplomatic.
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Postby New Laikland » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:49 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:All those swastikas, writings and that peculiar colour scheme of their party flag are just coincidences, amirite? It's simple: Golden Dawn is led by scum and supported by scum. It is good that the party leaders are prosecuted, for parliaments should not be places where the leaders of criminal organizations can run free.

Swastikas? You mean those ancient Greek symbols that have been used for thousands of years before Nazism, even Germany existed? The leaders won't lose, Golden Dawn is just about in the Putsch stage of it's power.

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Postby Taoju » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:49 pm

Meritocratic States wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Tenets

Fascism is hardly diplomatic.

Indeed.
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