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[New Laikland]

Racialism, internalized racism, and racial colourblindedness are just forms of racism.

Respect differences, do not commit cultural appropriation, do not disregard one's backgrounds, and do not discriminate.

This.

Not that. Don't forget your culture, but don't let let it take over entirely. I remember my culture, of the Germanics and the Slavs. I would prefer to date/have children with someone within my culture, but if someone of a different culture or race came around and was great, then I'd go for her, but I wouldn't still forget my culture.

[Divair]

Facebook feed is full of Mandela quotes and RIP's. I'm glad the new generation remembers.

[Taoju]

That notion of meritocracy is outdated. The revamped version is more akin to constant change. Leaders will rise and fall according to their qualifications. Technocracy, on the other hand instills power solely to those qualified, and the status quo is held on tightly after that. Meritocracy seeks the destruction of the status quo.

Supported it, but not to the extent of Fascism or nationalism. Patriotism sure, but not nationalism.

Outdated? The word Meritocracy has the word merit in it, which means to get what you deserve. I don't see how that definition can possibly change.

Here we approach more opinions. If leaders are constantly switching, it will just wind up where democracy has us. Slow, inefficient government that takes forever to do something. One leader over a decent period of time (6 years or so) can accomplish more.

Merit essentially means everyone has a free shot and getting where they want with their own abilities. Hence resulting in constant change.

That is why you get a set amount of years. There has to be change in a meritocratic society to keep the flow of people, technological/economic progress, and ideals moving.

[Aeken]

Mandela died, as you know.

Yeah i saw it on the macodonlds tv.

Sad day.

[The Emerald Dawn]

They're a fact of life here too. They rally/protest in WWII uniforms, fly the "Rising Sun" flag, etc. What's scary is that they're generally more tolerated than their left wing counterparts.

Also here in the US are a constant pain in the ass as a minority.

They use patriotic symbols to hide their extremism, and it's quite annoying to me so I have no issues calling them out when I can.

On the opposite side are the racial agitators from the minorities. I've seen my share of "anti-gringo" 1st gen migrants, or long entrenched Mississippi blacks who hate whites. ALL whites.

[New Laikland]

Merit essentially means everyone has a free shot and getting where they want with their own abilities. Hence resulting in constant change.

That is why you get a set amount of years. There has to be change in a meritocratic society to keep the flow of people, technological/economic progress, and ideals moving.

It doesn't necessarily result in constant change. But we've grinded it down to technicalities here.


If a leader is good, he will keep that progress going through his term, but a set number of years makes less sense because a shitty leader would be in longer than he deserves.

[Hurdegaryp]

They're a fact of life here too. They rally/protest in WWII uniforms, fly the "Rising Sun" flag, etc. What's scary is that they're generally more tolerated than their left wing counterparts.

Also here in the US are a constant pain in the ass as a minority.

They use patriotic symbols to hide their extremism, and it's quite annoying to me so I have no issues calling them out when I can.

Always a good thing, calling those wankers out.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This.

Not that. Don't forget your culture, but don't let let it take over entirely. I remember my culture, of the Germanics and the Slavs. I would prefer to date/have children with someone within my culture, but if someone of a different culture or race came around and was great, then I'd go for her, but I wouldn't still forget my culture.

I do too. And I wouldn't forget my own Latin American culture. I don't mind dating and having children with a woman from a different culture or my same culture, as long as she and I have similar family backgrounds and interests (you would be surprised how many people I have met from many different races that are very similar to my own family's dynamics and my ideals) I am fine with it.

And I was agreeing on the second part, the one about respecting other people and their differences, not disregard other people's backgrounds, and the non-discrimination parts. Understanding helps us become better people, it's an important thing I believe, that if everyone understood one another the world would be a different place. Not to forget who you are or where you came from, just simple understanding and empathy.

[Starkiller101]

Yeah i saw it on the macodonlds tv.

Sad day.

Yep

[Gallade]

Wow. RIP Nelson Mandela.

[Hurdegaryp]

I saw it before, but didn't bother replying due to your ignorance.

And as always you do not bother to explain exactly why I'm ignorant, despite the many ways in which Golden Dawn has expressed its undying love for nazism. A quote if you like (or not like, I do not particularly care):

Ilias Kasidiaris, a spokesman for Golden Dawn, wrote an article that was published in Golden Dawn magazine on 20 April 2011, in which he said, "What would the future of Europe and the whole modern world be like if World War II (which the democracies, or in fact the Jews – according to general Ioannis Metaxas – declared on Germany) hadn't stopped the renewing route of National Socialism? Certainly, fundamental values which mainly derive from ancient Greek culture, would be dominant in every state and would define the fate of peoples. Romanticism as a spiritual movement and classicism would prevail against the decadent subculture that corroded the white man. Extreme materialism would have been discarded, giving its place to spiritual exaltation". In the same article, Adolf Hitler is characterized as a "great social reformer" and "military genius".

In an article published in 1987 in the Golden Dawn magazine titled "Hitler for 1000 years", its editor Michaloliakos showed his support for Nazism and white supremacy. Specifically he wrote, "We are the faithful soldiers of the National Socialist idea and nothing else" and "[...] WE EXIST, and continue the battle, the battle for the final victory of our race". He ends the article by writing "1987, 42 years later, with our thought and soul given to the last great battle, with our thought and soul given to the black and red banners, with our thought and soul given to the memory of our great Leader, we raise our right hand up, we salute the Sun and with the courage, that is compelled by our military honor and our National Socialist duty we shout full of passion, faith to the future and our visions: HEIL HITLER!". Furthermore he uses capital letters for pronouns referring to Hitler ("by Himself", "His people").

On 17 August 1987, the war criminal Rudolf Hess, Adolf Hitler's deputy in the Nazi Party, who was given a life sentence at the Nuremberg Trials, committed suicide. The following day, on 18 August 1987, Golden Dawn members distributed proclamations in the center of Athens with the phrase RUDOLF HESS IMMORTAL (Greek: RUDOLF HESS ΑΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ).

In pictures taken during the first congress of Golden Dawn in February 1990, the congress hall is decorated with the Swastika and the Wolfsangel.

There are many cases in which Golden Dawn members have appeared to give a Nazi salute. The founder of the party, Nikolaos Michaloliakos, appeared to give a Nazi salute in the Athens city council. He claims that it was merely "the salute of the national youth organisation of Ioannis Metaxas". The party states its logo is a traditional Greek meander, not a Nazi symbol.

In May 2012, Golden Dawn ran in Greek elections under the slogan "So we can rid this land of filth". On his post-election statement, the leader, Nikolaos Michaloliakos, had placed a marble eagle on an obvious position on his desk, which according to media reports bears similarity to the eagle of the Nazi Third Reich. After the elections, Eleni Zaroulia, a Golden Dawn MP, wore an iron cross ring during her inauguration, a symbol which has been associated with Nazism. As depicted in a picture taken on 14 September 2012, Panagiotis Iliopoulos, another Golden Dawn MP, has a tattoo reading the Nazi greeting Sieg Heil.

On 23 July 2012, Artemis Matthaiopoulos, a member of Golden Dawn, was elected as MP for the town of Serres. The website left.gr (associated with SYRIZA), reported that Matthaiopoulos was the frontman of the Nazi punk band "Pogrom" and pointed to the band's song "Auschwitz" with antisemitic lyrics such as "fuck Anne Frank" and "Juden raus".

Ilias Kasidiaris quoted the antisemitic hoax The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in a speech to parliament on 23 October 2012. Defending himself in a discussion on whether to lift his parliamentary immunity over his assault of Kanelli, he quoted Protocol 19: "In order to destroy the prestige of heroism we shall send them for trial in the category of theft, murder and every kind of abominable and filthy crime." Moreover, Kasidiaris bears a swastika tattoo on his arm.

Golden Dawn's leader, Nikolaos Michaloliakos, denied the existence of gas chambers and ovens at Nazi extermination camps. On 6 June 2013, the Golden Dawn MP Ilias Kasidiaris implied during a stormy debate in the Greek Parliament that he is a Holocaust denier.

If it looks like shit, smells like shit and has all the characteristics of shit, one does not need to taste it to know it's shit.

I couldn't help but notice that every time when facts are presented, New Laikland falls silent. Apparently that is a thing he does.

[Taoju]

Merit essentially means everyone has a free shot and getting where they want with their own abilities. Hence resulting in constant change.

That is why you get a set amount of years. There has to be change in a meritocratic society to keep the flow of people, technological/economic progress, and ideals moving.

It doesn't necessarily result in constant change. But we've grinded it down to technicalities here.


If a leader is good, he will keep that progress going through his term, but a set number of years makes less sense because a shitty leader would be in longer than he deserves.

True. But it needs a little updating. Technocracy too.

The set term years are similar to a democratic process. However, if opposition fails to qualify, the leader and co. may continue for another set term. Two terms max to increase potential for progress.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Also here in the US are a constant pain in the ass as a minority.

They use patriotic symbols to hide their extremism, and it's quite annoying to me so I have no issues calling them out when I can.

On the opposite side are the racial agitators from the minorities. I've seen my share of "anti-gringo" 1st gen migrants, or long entrenched Mississippi blacks who hate whites. ALL whites.

Oh yea, we have those among Latinos. I don't hesitate in calling out their bullshit either.

I don't like racism, because I know racism is bad; then again it might just be my own ideological perspective and my religious background talking, as we were never encouraged to hate others and we were taught how to love and understand others regardless of their background, and that pretty much has followed me to the U.S.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Wow. RIP Nelson Mandela.

I noticed that too. May he rest in peace.

[Taoju]

Not that. Don't forget your culture, but don't let let it take over entirely. I remember my culture, of the Germanics and the Slavs. I would prefer to date/have children with someone within my culture, but if someone of a different culture or race came around and was great, then I'd go for her, but I wouldn't still forget my culture.

I do too. And I wouldn't forget my own Latin American culture. I don't mind dating and having children with a woman from a different culture or my same culture, as long as she and I have similar family backgrounds and interests (you would be surprised how many people I have met from many different races that are very similar to my own family's dynamics and my ideals) I am fine with it.

And I was agreeing on the second part, the one about respecting other people and their differences, not disregard other people's backgrounds, and the non-discrimination parts. Understanding helps us become better people, it's an important thing I believe, that if everyone understood one another the world would be a different place. Not to forget who you are or where you came from, just simple understanding and empathy.

Racial equality is achieved through education and understanding. I feel that has been the point that has been overlooked in combating racism.

[New Laikland]

I couldn't help but notice that every time when facts are presented, New Laikland falls silent. Apparently that is a thing he does.

Keep telling yourself that. When an arrogant, edgy, clueless person comes on here trying to re-spark an argument we've covered already, I tend to ignore them. Your wikipedia article means little to nothing. There are so many parts of that article that can be debated and exposed and neither racism, nor neo-nazism nor whatever else you're trying to call me out on.

[Lies and Ignorance]

Tears are coming to my eyes, and I really don't know what to say. A man who changed the course of history is gone, guys.

[Katyuscha]

Elevator: Source. You get on the elevator and it takes you places.

10/10

[Taoju]

Tears are coming to my eyes, and I really don't know what to say. A man who changed the course of history is gone, guys.

I'll hold you.

[Meritocratic States]

All forms of fascism are never good
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Thanks for the proper, intelligent debate.

No problem.

History has made examples of countries and politicians who supported extreme left and right ideologies.

I try not to repeat it.

[Aeken]

Tears are coming to my eyes, and I really don't know what to say. A man who changed the course of history is gone, guys.

Tis very sad day.

[Sanguinea]

True, very true.

And I may seem rather grave and virulent at the moment, but we've had right wing extremists in here before. Those were not good times. I for one do not wish for the return of such unfortunate individuals.

What sort of people were they? Fundie Christians?

[New Laikland]

No problem.

History has made examples of countries and politicians who supported extreme left and right ideologies.

I try to repeat it.

Fascism is hardly extreme right. True, European Fascism would more or less be leftist, even. The countries who were "Extreme" right or left were not made examples because of their ideologies, but their leader's stupidity.

[Hurdegaryp]

I couldn't help but notice that every time when facts are presented, New Laikland falls silent. Apparently that is a thing he does.

Keep telling yourself that. When an arrogant, edgy, clueless person comes on here trying to re-spark an argument we've covered already, I tend to ignore them. Your wikipedia article means little to nothing. There are so many parts of that article that can be debated and exposed and neither racism, nor neo-nazism nor whatever else you're trying to call me out on.

I see you fancy yourself to be quite the future elite of the coming storm. Granted, you churn out more coherent sentences than the average hooligan that you one day hope to instruct, but it's quite clear where your sympathies lie. It is common for a certain kind of people to systematically deny the relevance of Wikipedia articles, you fit in quite nicely in that group. There are other places on the internet where you can howl with the wolves, go there.

[Lies and Ignorance]

Tears are coming to my eyes, and I really don't know what to say. A man who changed the course of history is gone, guys.

I'll hold you.

Tears are coming to my eyes, and I really don't know what to say. A man who changed the course of history is gone, guys.

Tis very sad day.

Yeah, it's really a harrowing moment.