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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:24 am

I mean you might as well say, "Were you there?" to be honest. Same extreme degree of anti-intellectualism.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:26 am

Lies and Ignorance wrote:I mean you might as well say, "Were you there?" to be honest. Same extreme degree of anti-intellectualism.


You have to remember that, in a perfect universe, people would discard and delete. However that's not what happens.

People many times try to adapt ideas that contradict and accept them by integration to their own belief system, which is not necessarily bad, but it's a defense mechanism. I would say don't go so hard on him, but at the same time yea, his arguments are pretty weak :/

I have a deistic concept of God for instance. I don't believe that he can interfere into the workings of the universe, I just think of him as the architect. Sure you might think it's stupid, but that helps me both to keep a belief in God because I am not ready to discard the concept of a deity and yet, not be so intellectually dense as to say "HE DID IT! LOOK!" I just think he created the mathematical laws by which the universe was created, not the universe itself.
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Postby Coffee Cakes » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:26 am

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There's no proof it's pseudoscience though, but eh. *shrug*

Good thing I never did care about the topic.

Primarily, there's a good amount of evidence that can convince rational people that it is. (Proof is a semantically meaningless here)

Secondly, holy cop-out batman. "I believe in theistic evolution!" "But that's wrong." "I never cared!"


Then why is evolution struggling to catch on with Americans?
If it was supposedly as clear cut, it should've been accepted widely by now.

Not a cop out. I don't generally care about it, but I lean towards theistic evolution.
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Postby Katyuscha » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:27 am

My post count on the latest string of TETs has been rather pitiful.
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Postby Coffee Cakes » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:27 am

Katyuscha wrote:My post count on the latest string of TETs has been rather pitiful.


KATY! :hug:
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Postby Katyuscha » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:28 am

Coffee Cakes wrote:
Katyuscha wrote:My post count on the latest string of TETs has been rather pitiful.


KATY! :hug:

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:28 am

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Coffee Cakes wrote:Nope. It's just a comedic response to your post. :lol:
I don't promote either evolution or creation, really.

I'm an agnostic on that, leaning evolution, but I fail to see how it's a problem to think evolution happened with divine input. *shrugs*

It's always a problem to be delusional and wrong.

More like it's one of those unintentional side effects of being an intelligent, sentient species. We tend to overthink things, and since we're uncertain creatures in a vast and uncaring universe, there's a real desire for meaning. Hence the development of gods as an imperfect answer to many questions and a mechanism to try and influence reality. Of course it really sucks if you sacrifice all your good cows to the God of Harvests and famine still threatens to destroy your civilization. Better sacrifice humans next, for clearly your offerings were not enough!
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:28 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:I mean you might as well say, "Were you there?" to be honest. Same extreme degree of anti-intellectualism.


You have to remember that, in a perfect universe, people would discard and delete. However that's not what happens.

People many times try to adapt ideas that contradict and accept them by integration to their own belief system, which is not necessarily bad, but it's a defense mechanism. I would say don't go so hard on him, but at the same time yea, his arguments are pretty weak :/

I mean, I realize I'm probably coming off as a bitch right now - but in the end we're talking about a subject that people put their lives into researching.

Whatevs. Coffee Cakes apparently is completely unconcerned with what is factual and what isn't, and this difference of priorities will lead to nothing but frustration. Please dismiss. o/
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:30 am

Coffee Cakes wrote:Then why is evolution struggling to catch on with Americans?
If it was supposedly as clear cut, it should've been accepted widely by now.

Oh lord. I have a headache just from reading this.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:31 am

Coffee Cakes wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:Primarily, there's a good amount of evidence that can convince rational people that it is. (Proof is a semantically meaningless here)

Secondly, holy cop-out batman. "I believe in theistic evolution!" "But that's wrong." "I never cared!"


Then why is evolution struggling to catch on with Americans?
If it was supposedly as clear cut, it should've been accepted widely by now.


Evolution is pretty clear cut as a Biological concept CC; problem is people try to debate the idea or discard it as "just a theory"

A theory, unlike a hypothesis, in the science community means "we are not sure this is what happens 100%, but our fuckton of data collected over the years tells us we are pretty fucking sure this is what happens until further notice"
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:31 am

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what about america, then? ireland? how close do they need to be with you before you go "yeah i'm in uguuu"?



i can't remember specific quotes but the policies themselves are mean spirited albeit admittedly coated in feelgood bullshit and you are just as bad in the arguments you put forth to defend said policies

fake edit: nevermind i just searched. "disabled people who are wrongly assessed by incompetent company and can't make it through months/years of appealing to get the benefits they need and die or are driven to suicide" became "commit suicide rather than look for work". that was a hoot. (literally just copying what i said and what you said here) i'm honestly not sure how much bullshit it will take for you to realize that not everyone gets the perfect jobcentre experience you got and that the tories actually don't have good intentions in their reforms which coincidentally always backfire.


I know you love out-of-context quotes but you really need to learn how to let things go, sugarcube.


like i said, i'm literally just copying what we posted. you can try and go but context souseiseki strawman but it's right there to find for anyone that cares.

you brought up how it's scary you agreed with me, and it naturally expanded from there. though admittedly the internal logic you must have to be running to actually believe it is so ridiclous i have a hard time forgetting it.

i've been up all night and it's 11:25AM so now that i'm here i kinda wanna just tell you G4S who have proven themselves to be incompetent time and time again are still getting government contracts so i can see if you'll say that their inevitable fuck ups aren't the governments fault even though by any reasonable logic it clearly is on them so i have more fodder for next time you try and claim it isn't the governments fault for hiring incompetent companies to carry out their shit policies that don't work but ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. another perfect out of context quote in the making.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:31 am

Coffee Cakes wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:Primarily, there's a good amount of evidence that can convince rational people that it is. (Proof is a semantically meaningless here)

Secondly, holy cop-out batman. "I believe in theistic evolution!" "But that's wrong." "I never cared!"


Then why is evolution struggling to catch on with Americans?
If it was supposedly as clear cut, it should've been accepted widely by now.

Not a cop out. I don't generally care about it, but I lean towards theistic evolution.


You're seriously asking why material science has trouble catching on to a nation predominantly influenced by the political power of people believing in an immaterial faith?
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Postby Immoren » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:31 am

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Postby San » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:31 am

Katyuscha wrote:My post count on the latest string of TETs has been rather pitiful.

chain yourself to your desk and prevent yourself from opening any tabs other than ones beginning with 'forum.nationstates.net'
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:33 am

Does anyone have good news? Anyone? I kind of need it.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:33 am

Lies and Ignorance wrote:Does anyone have good news? Anyone? I kind of need it.


I did not kill myself.
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Postby Katyuscha » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:33 am

San wrote:
Katyuscha wrote:My post count on the latest string of TETs has been rather pitiful.

chain yourself to your desk and prevent yourself from opening any tabs other than ones beginning with 'forum.nationstates.net'

Nah, I'd rather just watch porn and play video games all day, as I do every Sunday.
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:34 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:Does anyone have good news? Anyone? I kind of need it.


I did not kill myself.

I am more pleased to hear that than you know. :hug:
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Postby Katyuscha » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:34 am

Lies and Ignorance wrote:Does anyone have good news? Anyone? I kind of need it.

I'm supposed to hang out with a friend, whom I haven't seen in months, today, so that's pretty cool.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:34 am

Lies and Ignorance wrote:Does anyone have good news? Anyone? I kind of need it.


Umm, if it makes you feel any better, it's supposed to snow today down here. If there is snow and it sticks I might go and play with my little sister with it this morning.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:35 am

Lies and Ignorance wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
I did not kill myself.

I am more pleased to hear that than you know. :hug:


I see it as "news" more than "good" or "bad news", personally. But eh.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:35 am

Lies and Ignorance wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:You have to remember that, in a perfect universe, people would discard and delete. However that's not what happens.

People many times try to adapt ideas that contradict and accept them by integration to their own belief system, which is not necessarily bad, but it's a defense mechanism. I would say don't go so hard on him, but at the same time yea, his arguments are pretty weak :/

I mean, I realize I'm probably coming off as a bitch right now - but in the end we're talking about a subject that people put their lives into researching.

Whatevs. Coffee Cakes apparently is completely unconcerned with what is factual and what isn't, and this difference of priorities will lead to nothing but frustration. Please dismiss. o/

Look, it's not like Coffee Cakes is a creationist or something insane like that, so we've got a workable situation here. It's just that he likes to think that there was a thought behind the primordial soup. And hell, maybe there is or was a vast and ancient intergalactic civilization (or perhaps even multiversal, because why not?) that had nothing better to do than seed promising looking planets in order to see what would happen in a few hundred million years.

But maybe all that scifi I have been reading over the decades has corrupted my sense of realism.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:35 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:Does anyone have good news? Anyone? I kind of need it.


I did not kill myself.


oh are we allowed to put forward "did not kill self" as good news. i was going to go for "hitler is still dead" personally.

still alive here. probably just waiting until i'm 30-40 though.
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:35 am

Katyuscha wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:Does anyone have good news? Anyone? I kind of need it.

I'm supposed to hang out with a friend, whom I haven;t seen in months, today, so that's pretty cool.

That's rad, your friend is rad, please have a rad time hon! :hug:

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:Does anyone have good news? Anyone? I kind of need it.


Umm, if it makes you feel any better, it's supposed to snow today down here. If there is snow and it sticks I might go and play with my little sister with it this morning.

Snow is a blessing. Cherish your time with your little sister, please hon. :hug:
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:36 am

Souseiseki wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
I did not kill myself.


oh are we allowed to put forward "did not kill self" as good news. i was going to go for "hitler is still dead" personally.

still alive here. probably just waiting until i'm 30-40 though.


I'm aiming for 50. I've a very specific plan.
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