NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 4

[Deputy Director of the NIB]

Anyway better get back to relevant business.

Two points. First does the constitution repeal the relevant bills already passed?

Second if it does the vote will begin at 10pm 12/3/14. (that is in out 18 hours for those not on our timezone.)

[Pesda]

I'd rather make it illegal to secede without having a referendum with the population in the area, and then have a regional government vote, and then a proper government vote.

No secession what's so ever.

I believe in the right of self determination. If it weren't for that, we'd still be under British rule.

[Pesda]

Once you start allowing secession, things will spiral ot of control.

Not at all.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Once you start allowing secession, things will spiral ot of control.

Not at all.

OOC talking they will. Every single constituency may try to secede and what not.
And seeing you support self determination what is your opinion on the Crimean referendum?

[Pesda]

Not at all.

OOC talking they will. Every single constituency may try to secede and what not.
And seeing you support self determination what is your opinion on the Crimean referendum?

Proof that every constituency may try to secede?

I think that Crimeans should have the right to a referendum should they demand it, but only if it can be guaranteed that there will be no intimidation of the voters, that Russia withdraws from the Crimea, and that the vote is completely democratic.

[Unicario]

"I am opposed to the idea of permitting arbitrary secession from Aurentina. Unless referendum is given assent by this esteemable body for them to begin the process of democratically departing Aurentina, they cannot be permitted to leave. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln some... A house divided against itself cannot stand, and we cannot stand divided." Friedrich stated.

"Besides, if they do achieve independence, what shall become of them? Economically isolated microstate in the middle of the Mediterranean, sandwiched between European states who would probably seek to expand influence there for purposes of expanding their nautical borders? Come now, Arenden is not a viable independent state."

[Pesda]

"I am opposed to the idea of permitting arbitrary secession from Aurentina. Unless referendum is given assent by this esteemable body for them to begin the process of democratically departing Aurentina, they cannot be permitted to leave. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln some... A house divided against itself cannot stand, and we cannot stand divided." Friedrich stated.

"Besides, if they do achieve independence, what shall become of them? Economically isolated microstate in the middle of the Mediterranean, sandwiched between European states who would probably seek to expand influence there for purposes of expanding their nautical borders? Come now, Arenden is not a viable independent state."

If a territory demands a referendum on independence, do you think it should be allowed or not?

[Unicario]

"I am opposed to the idea of permitting arbitrary secession from Aurentina. Unless referendum is given assent by this esteemable body for them to begin the process of democratically departing Aurentina, they cannot be permitted to leave. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln some... A house divided against itself cannot stand, and we cannot stand divided." Friedrich stated.

"Besides, if they do achieve independence, what shall become of them? Economically isolated microstate in the middle of the Mediterranean, sandwiched between European states who would probably seek to expand influence there for purposes of expanding their nautical borders? Come now, Arenden is not a viable independent state."

If a territory demands a referendum on independence, do you think it should be allowed or not?

If it goes through proper democratic channels and it seems to be the will of the people, not the local government officials who are simply unhappy.

[The Nihilistic view]

OOC talking they will. Every single constituency may try to secede and what not.
And seeing you support self determination what is your opinion on the Crimean referendum?

Proof that every constituency may try to secede?

I think that Crimeans should have the right to a referendum should they demand it, but only if it can be guaranteed that there will be no intimidation of the voters, that Russia withdraws from the Crimea, and that the vote is completely democratic.

Well if they do manage it, I would do it for my constituency. Though not in the manner Arenden have.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

"I am opposed to the idea of permitting arbitrary secession from Aurentina. Unless referendum is given assent by this esteemable body for them to begin the process of democratically departing Aurentina, they cannot be permitted to leave. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln some... A house divided against itself cannot stand, and we cannot stand divided." Friedrich stated.

"Besides, if they do achieve independence, what shall become of them? Economically isolated microstate in the middle of the Mediterranean, sandwiched between European states who would probably seek to expand influence there for purposes of expanding their nautical borders? Come now, Arenden is not a viable independent state."

If a territory demands a referendum on independence, do you think it should be allowed or not?

Not allowed.

[Yanalia]

This has sufficient support for the queue.

Aircraft Carrier Restriction Act
Drafted by: Yanalia [RG]
Sponsors: Unicario [RG], Costa Fierro [RefP], Osea 767 [CP], Pesda [RG], Skeckoa [LP]
Category: International Relations

The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

RECOGNISING that the nation does not currently require an aircraft carrier,

DISAPPROVING of the plans of the current government to purchase one,

NOTING that the Senate should voice its opinion on such an expensive and significant project,

ALARMED that the government has ignored protest against the purchase of an aircraft carrier,

HEREBY enacts the following:

For the purposes of this act, an aircraft carrier shall be a warship with a full-length flight deck and facilities for carrying, arming, deploying, and recovering aircraft, that serves as a seagoing airbase.

1. Any current projects on the part of the Ministry of Defence involving the acquisition of aircraft carriers shall be halted immediately.

2. Acquisitions of aircraft carriers shall require the approval of the Senate.

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[spoiler=Aircraft Carrier Restriction Act][box][size=150]Aircraft Carrier Restriction Act[/size]
Drafted by: Yanalia [RG]
Sponsors: Unicario [RG], Costa Fierro [RefP], Osea 767 [CP], Pesda [RG], Skeckoa [LP]
Category: International Relations

The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

RECOGNISING that the nation does not currently require an aircraft carrier,

DISAPPROVING of the plans of the current government to purchase one,

NOTING that the Senate should voice its opinion on such an expensive and significant project,

ALARMED that the government has ignored protest against the purchase of an aircraft carrier,

HEREBY enacts the following:

For the purposes of this act, an aircraft carrier shall be a warship with a full-length flight deck and facilities for carrying, arming, deploying, and recovering aircraft, that serves as a seagoing airbase.

1. Any current projects on the part of the Ministry of Defence involving the acquisition of aircraft carriers shall be halted immediately.

2. Acquisitions of aircraft carriers shall require the approval of the Senate.[/box][/spoiler]

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

When does the voting on the Constitution start? I'm voting for, but with the reservation that I would like to see it amended so that life is defined as starting at conception.

[New Bierstaat]

When does the voting on the Constitution start? I'm voting for, but with the reservation that I would like to see it amended so that life is defined as starting at conception.

Then you're probably not going to be voting for, as I really doubt that's going to happen. You've got a socially liberal senate and a Libertarian Party president.

[Haelunor]

Any anti-abortion ammendment will tank the whole thing.

[Unicario]

When does the voting on the Constitution start? I'm voting for, but with the reservation that I would like to see it amended so that life is defined as starting at conception.

Hahahahaha, no.

If any such thing is put in the Constitution, I will fervently campaign for every freedom-loving member of the Senate to reject it.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

When does the voting on the Constitution start? I'm voting for, but with the reservation that I would like to see it amended so that life is defined as starting at conception.

hmm... NO... just no

[Haelunor]

If you want to see what a region with no access to abortion looks like, I would suggest you move to South Texas and see how happy all the women are with no access to contraception, abortion, cancer screenings, and other services provided at abortion clinics. Then you should visit the area hospitals and watch all the women dying from self inducing abortion drugs being peddled in Mexico and flea markets. Then I want you to support legislation and programs that pay for the needs of the tens of thousands of babies that will now grow up in abject poverty.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

Senator Martin Aubrey Deering, of District #93, Bouda rose, and declared "I will vote against the Constitution, for my own personal, moral reasons. Also, I wish to remind Senator Friedrich Wilhelm von Hohenzollern of Mulenhaim and Senator Branko Aleksic that all Senators are entitled to their own beliefs. No member of this body, is any less "freedom loving" because of their views, and as colleagues their views deserve equal respect. Please, gentlemen, I beg that we stay polite and professional to each other. I ask the gentlemen to retract their statements."

[Pesda]

If a territory demands a referendum on independence, do you think it should be allowed or not?

If it goes through proper democratic channels and it seems to be the will of the people, not the local government officials who are simply unhappy.

If I understand correctly, the proposed constitution in its current form would prevent a territory from declaring independence, even if it goes through proper democratic channels and even if it seems to be the will of the people.

[Britanno]

Senator Martin Aubrey Deering, of District #93, Bouda rose, and declared "I will vote against the Constitution, for my own personal, moral reasons. Also, I wish to remind Senator Friedrich Wilhelm von Hohenzollern of Mulenhaim and Senator Branko Aleksic that all Senators are entitled to their own beliefs. No member of this body, is any less "freedom loving" because of their views, and as colleagues their views deserve equal respect. Please, gentlemen, I beg that we stay polite and professional to each other. I ask the gentlemen to retract their statements."

wat.

That's like saying the Nazis weren't less "freedom loving" because they were just practicing their own beliefs.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

Senator Martin Aubrey Deering, of District #93, Bouda rose, and declared "I will vote against the Constitution, for my own personal, moral reasons. Also, I wish to remind Senator Friedrich Wilhelm von Hohenzollern of Mulenhaim and Senator Branko Aleksic that all Senators are entitled to their own beliefs. No member of this body, is any less "freedom loving" because of their views, and as colleagues their views deserve equal respect. Please, gentlemen, I beg that we stay polite and professional to each other. I ask the gentlemen to retract their statements."

wat.

That's like saying the Nazis weren't less "freedom loving" because they were just practicing their own beliefs.

1. Godwins Law.
2. That is not what I mean. I am saying that the honorable gentlemen's remarks are unprofessional. If they wished to vote against\for a bill because of their beliefs, I would not mock them and their beliefs, regardless of my opinions about said beliefs. I happen to be pro-life. They happen to be pro-choice. I'm sure we both have perfectly rational reasons for believing in said ideologies, and holding such ideologies does not make them any less "freedom loving" than any other senator. I realize this comment was probably meant as a criticism of my ideology, which is fine. But the way it was phrased made it objectionable. We ought to agree to disagree, not mock and denigrate those of the opposing side. Otherwise, we no longer represent both sides of the argument. And what kind of a Senate would that be?The US Senate!

[Haelunor]

Depends on your defintion of rational.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

I'm sorry if I'm getting bent out of shape about this, but this kind of behaviour really gets my goat. I need a break for a bit, I'll be back on tomorrow. Please TG me if you have anything urgent I ought to know about.

[Pesda]

If a territory demands a referendum on independence, do you think it should be allowed or not?

Not allowed.

Oh dear. It strange that a senator in a former colony seems to reject the principle of self determination.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

I'm sorry if I'm getting bent out of shape about this, but this kind of behaviour really gets my goat. I need a break for a bit, I'll be back on tomorrow. Please TG me if you have anything urgent I ought to know about.

OOC: So the words "no just no" means mocking of your believes? Really?