NSG Senate Lobby: Bread, Circuses and Automatic Weapons

[Wolfmanne]

No they are what is commonly called big game. they are game. That's how the law work's, it's legal to do something until a law is made preventing it. Therefor hunting Great apes is legal as they are considered to be big game.

The law clearly states "Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising the hunting of animals classified as game".

No government body classified great apes as game, therefore it's not, and hunting them is an offence.

Your "common definition" is legally worth nothing.

As the writer of the bill, this is correct, so it is very well in both letter and spirit of the bill.

[The Nihilistic view]

No they are what is commonly called big game. they are game. That's how the law work's, it's legal to do something until a law is made preventing it. Therefor hunting Great apes is legal as they are considered to be big game.

The law clearly states "Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising the hunting of animals classified as game".

No government body classified great apes as game, therefore it's not, and hunting them is an offence.

Your "common definition" is legally worth nothing.

The definition of game is any animal hunted for food or not normally domesticated. Game animals are also hunted for sport. Job done, The apes would be hunted for food and fun that makes them game and thus legal to kill if out hunting.

This means that for it to be illegal to hunt any animal considered game a law must be passed outlawing it since game is any animal that satisfies the above definition. Case closed.

[The Nihilistic view]

The law clearly states "Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising the hunting of animals classified as game".

No government body classified great apes as game, therefore it's not, and hunting them is an offence.

Your "common definition" is legally worth nothing.

As the writer of the bill, this is correct, so it is very well in both letter and spirit of the bill.

You might want to take that back, you neither wrote nor sponsored the bill. Half tempted to raise a motion here.

Again this shows the problems with civil law. The bill gives no definition of what is considered game so we must fall back on common definition of the word game in a hunting context. Civil law strikes again.

[Ainin]

The law clearly states "Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising the hunting of animals classified as game".

No government body classified great apes as game, therefore it's not, and hunting them is an offence.

Your "common definition" is legally worth nothing.

The definition of game is any animal hunted for food or not normally domesticated. Game animals are also hunted for sport. Job done, The apes would be hunted for food and fun that makes them game and thus legal to kill if out hunting.

This means that for it to be illegal to hunt any animal considered game a law must be passed outlawing it since game is any animal that satisfies the above definition. Case closed.

That's your definition. The bill says "Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising the hunting of animals classified as game".

No law classifies the great ape as game, so it's not.

[New Zepuha]

Nihl if you don't like civil law, amend the Judicial Act. I'd even co-author.

[The Nihilistic view]

The definition of game is any animal hunted for food or not normally domesticated. Game animals are also hunted for sport. Job done, The apes would be hunted for food and fun that makes them game and thus legal to kill if out hunting.

This means that for it to be illegal to hunt any animal considered game a law must be passed outlawing it since game is any animal that satisfies the above definition. Case closed.

That's your definition. The bill says "Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising the hunting of animals classified as game".

No law classifies the great ape as game, so it's not.

No law say's it's not therefor as said before the definition of game is any animal hunted for food or for sport. So hunting of Great apes for sport is legal.

Oh and it's actually the worlds definition.

[The Nihilistic view]

Nihl if you don't like civil law, amend the Judicial Act. I'd even co-author.

I hate it in RL but I am actually coming to quite like it in here.

[New Zepuha]

That's your definition. The bill says "Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising the hunting of animals classified as game".

No law classifies the great ape as game, so it's not.

No law say's it's not therefor as said before the definition of game is any animal hunted for food or for sport. So hunting of Great apes for sport is legal.

Oh and it's actually the worlds definition.

Not sure that you will be able to convince the Game Wardens or a Judge of that though.

[The Nihilistic view]

No law say's it's not therefor as said before the definition of game is any animal hunted for food or for sport. So hunting of Great apes for sport is legal.

Oh and it's actually the worlds definition.

Not sure that you will be able to convince the Game Wardens or a Judge of that though.

Does not matter since we work on civil law they can't set precedent. They can only follow the letter of the law, which is........there is no law at this present time.

[Ainin]

That's your definition. The bill says "Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising the hunting of animals classified as game".

No law classifies the great ape as game, so it's not.

No law say's it's not

The bill clearly says "Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising the hunting of animals classified as game". If it's not classified as such by law, it's not, therefore it's illegal to hunt them. That's painstakingly obvious.

therefor as said before the definition of game is any animal hunted for food or for sport.

No, it's not.

So hunting of Great apes for sport is legal.

No, it's not.

Oh and it's actually the worlds definition.

Point me to an international convention ratified by the Aurentine Senate that says so.

[Wolfmanne]

As the writer of the bill, this is correct, so it is very well in both letter and spirit of the bill.

You might want to take that back, you neither wrote nor sponsored the bill. Half tempted to raise a motion here.

Again this shows the problems with civil law. The bill gives no definition of what is considered game so we must fall back on common definition of the word game in a hunting context. Civil law strikes again.

Acknowledgements:
- All credit for the writing of this bill should be given to Ivan Sallustro

I wasn't in the Senate at the time of introduction so I could formally introduce or sponsor it.

[The Nihilistic view]

You might want to take that back, you neither wrote nor sponsored the bill. Half tempted to raise a motion here.

Again this shows the problems with civil law. The bill gives no definition of what is considered game so we must fall back on common definition of the word game in a hunting context. Civil law strikes again.

Acknowledgements:
- All credit for the writing of this bill should be given to Ivan Sallustro

I wasn't in the Senate at the time of introduction so I could formally introduce or sponsor it.

Still not seeing it. viewtopic.php?p=15020124#p15020124

[Wolfmanne]

I wasn't in the Senate at the time of introduction so I could formally introduce or sponsor it.

Still not seeing it. viewtopic.php?p=15020124#p15020124

Oh that's another one. I think you were talking about my one which actually defines game.

[The Nihilistic view]

Still not seeing it. viewtopic.php?p=15020124#p15020124

Oh that's another one. I think you were talking about my one which actually defines game.

That's the one linked in the archives. do you have a link to yours?

[Minarchist States]

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Analysis

The data tells us a lot that we don't know, or confirms what we should already know. Interestingly, almost everyone that is in the PC is to the left of the center line, and almost everyone in the NFC is on the right. The Classical Monarchists are by far the most authoritarian in general, supporting traditional values and being reactionary compared to the Red-Greens, who support every progressive policy under the sun. The New Democrats are amongst the most diverse parties politically, however they tend to keep center-left economically compared to the far left Communist Party. The United Socialist Labour Party differs from the other leftist parties by being more authoritarian in their backing of the revolution by using the state. On the other side of the compass lies the Libertarians, who true to their name are somewhat libertarian, although one could argue they are more right wing over all. Both the National Centre Party and the Aurentine Liberals and Moderates firmly hold the center line, although it is possible that the center line in Aurentine politics is a bit more left of center than they realize. The Reform Party is quite moderate comes to social issues - much more progressive than most conservative parties - yet their economics are still right of center. The Market Socialists lie in between the NDP and the RG, while the Purple Duskies are closer to center but still very libertarian. Finally there is the Iron Party, who despite their differing views on economics, are largely authoritarian and traditionalist in nature that give the Monarchists a run for their money.

Rewards

Most Authoritarian: Divitaen
Most libertarian: Resora
Furthest RIght Wing: Neu Preussische Republik
Furthest Left Wing: Resora
Most Centrist: New Zepuha

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[Dangelia]

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Analysis

The data tells us a lot that we don't know, or confirms what we should already know. Interestingly, almost everyone that is in the PC is to the left of the center line, and almost everyone in the NFC is on the right. The Classical Monarchists are by far the most authoritarian in general, supporting traditional values and being reactionary compared to the Red-Greens, who support every progressive policy under the sun. The New Democrats are amongst the most diverse parties politically, however they tend to keep center-left economically compared to the far left Communist Party. The United Socialist Labour Party differs from the other leftist parties by being more authoritarian in their backing of the revolution by using the state. On the other side of the compass lay the Libertarians, who true to their name are somewhat libertarian, although one could argue they are more right wing over all. Both the National Centre Party and the Aurentine Liberals and Moderates firmly hold the center line, although it is possible that the center line in Aurentine politics is a bit more left of center than they realize. The Reform Party is quite moderate comes to social issues - much more progressive than most conservative parties - yet their economics are still right of center. The Market Socialists lay in between the NDP and the RG, while the Purple Duskies are closer to center but still very libertarian. Finally there is the Iron Party, who despite their differing views on economics, are largely authoritarian and traditionalist in nature that give the Monarchists a run for their money.

Rewards

Most Authoritarian: Divitaen
Most libertarian: Resora
Furthest RIght Wing: Neu Preussische Republik
Furthest Left Wing: Resora
Most Centrist: New Zepuha

Help me out!

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Wonderful!!! Absolutely wonderful!!! But it looks like Jetan is the most centrist.

[Corenea]

After a bit of work, I have completed the biggest and most up to date senate compass ever. Take a looksee:

(Image)

Analysis

The data tells us a lot that we don't know, or confirms what we should already know. Interestingly, almost everyone that is in the PC is to the left of the center line, and almost everyone in the NFC is on the right. The Classical Monarchists are by far the most authoritarian in general, supporting traditional values and being reactionary compared to the Red-Greens, who support every progressive policy under the sun. The New Democrats are amongst the most diverse parties politically, however they tend to keep center-left economically compared to the far left Communist Party. The United Socialist Labour Party differs from the other leftist parties by being more authoritarian in their backing of the revolution by using the state. On the other side of the compass lay the Libertarians, who true to their name are somewhat libertarian, although one could argue they are more right wing over all. Both the National Centre Party and the Aurentine Liberals and Moderates firmly hold the center line, although it is possible that the center line in Aurentine politics is a bit more left of center than they realize. The Reform Party is quite moderate comes to social issues - much more progressive than most conservative parties - yet their economics are still right of center. The Market Socialists lay in between the NDP and the RG, while the Purple Duskies are closer to center but still very libertarian. Finally there is the Iron Party, who despite their differing views on economics, are largely authoritarian and traditionalist in nature that give the Monarchists a run for their money.

Rewards

Most Authoritarian: Divitaen
Most libertarian: Resora
Furthest RIght Wing: Neu Preussische Republik
Furthest Left Wing: Resora
Most Centrist: New Zepuha

Help me out!

I still would love to update the senate compass in the future, and to that I would like to have your compass! If you do not see your name yet have your political compass results, please send me a telegram and I will be sure to add you! I plan to update it at least once a month.

Wonderful!!! Absolutely wonderful!!! But it looks like Jetan is the most centrist.

But Jetan is on the authoritarian scale while New Zephua is more on the center

[Dangelia]

Wonderful!!! Absolutely wonderful!!! But it looks like Jetan is the most centrist.

But Jetan is on the authoritarian scale while New Zephua is more on the center

Oh sorry, I thought it was just left-right. And if I'm not mistaken, am I the most leftist of the senators in the NFC?

[Ainin]

Great work!

(I know this is somewhat inconvenient, but could you switch my position to the new one I took?

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28 )

[Minarchist States]

But Jetan is on the authoritarian scale while New Zephua is more on the center

Oh sorry, I thought it was just left-right. And if I'm not mistaken, am I the most leftist of the senators in the NFC?

Economically, yes.

@Ainin: I shall get to you at around Christmas time. There is no way I am spending another whole day on that thing! I'll write it down anyway.

[The Nihilistic view]

3-4th most center. I'll take that.

[The Union of the West]

If we would have gone with my score a year ago I would be most authoritarian.

[Dangelia]

Oh sorry, I thought it was just left-right. And if I'm not mistaken, am I the most leftist of the senators in the NFC?

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@Ainin: I shall get to you at around Christmas time. There is no way I am spending another whole day on that thing! I'll write it down anyway.

Santa? Can I have a political compass with all my friends graphed on it for Christmas?

[New Zepuha]

Woo! Most centrist person in the Senate!

[Dangelia]

Woo! Most centrist person in the Senate!