NSG Senate Lobby: Bread, Circuses and Automatic Weapons

[Geilinor]

I'd help you write a bill on that.

I'd also support a ban on the advertising of sugar water homeopathy as actually being medicine. Because it's not.

Fraud laws should cover it, I hope. Most countries don't prosecute that as fraud, but we can.

[Regnum Dominae]

Next time you post an offensive or unhelpful video link in an admin-controlled thread, you're getting a warning for spamming and disruption of debate.

This thread isn't for debate, hence the Chambers.

The Chamber is for debate on bills immediately before they are brought to a vote.

All kinds of debates happen in here.

[Britanno]

UKIP has been caught in the past with Former National Front/BNP members. Senior members of the organisation have also been caught making racist and sexist comments.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/ukip/arti ... n-dictator

Because the actions and beliefs of a minority of a party reflect the entire group don't they?

[Living Freedom Land]

UKIP has been caught in the past with Former National Front/BNP members. Senior members of the organisation have also been caught making racist and sexist comments.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/ukip/arti ... n-dictator

Because the actions and beliefs of a minority of a party reflect the entire group don't they?

Yeah, but when it's "senior members" you have a bit of a problem.

[Maklohi Vai]

Next time you post an offensive or unhelpful video link in an admin-controlled thread, you're getting a warning for spamming and disruption of debate.

This thread isn't for debate, hence the Chambers.

Does debate happen only in the Chambers? No, it doesn't. Nonetheless, perhaps a more accurate term would be disruption of discourse.

[Finium]

UKIP has been caught in the past with Former National Front/BNP members. Senior members of the organisation have also been caught making racist and sexist comments.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/ukip/arti ... n-dictator

Because the actions and beliefs of a minority of a party reflect the entire group don't they?

mi·nor·i·ty /məˈnôrətē/ noun
1. used to refer to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing.

[Kamchastkia]

This thread isn't for debate, hence the Chambers.

Does debate happen only in the Chambers? No, it doesn't. Nonetheless, perhaps a more accurate term would be disruption of discourse.

So how are we EVER to change topics here? Are we supposed to stay on the same topic constantly? The lobby is for all sorts of discussion, not just ONE topic. I'm not disrupting anything.

[Regnum Dominae]

Does debate happen only in the Chambers? No, it doesn't. Nonetheless, perhaps a more accurate term would be disruption of discourse.

So how are we EVER to change topics here? Are we supposed to stay on the same topic constantly? The lobby is for all sorts of discussion, not just ONE topic. I'm not disrupting anything.

Standalone links to random youtube videos aren't "discourse" or "discussion".

[Regnum Dominae]

Anyone want to make me a logo for the Ministry of Education? (thanks in advance)

*coughs politely*

*clears throat*

[Malgrave]

UKIP has been caught in the past with Former National Front/BNP members. Senior members of the organisation have also been caught making racist and sexist comments.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/ukip/arti ... n-dictator

Because the actions and beliefs of a minority of a party reflect the entire group don't they?

Why do UKIP supporters always cling to this defence? It happens with alarming frequency, to senior members of the organisation and UKIP don't respond adequately and actually defend certain members of the party.

[Kamchastkia]

So how are we EVER to change topics here? Are we supposed to stay on the same topic constantly? The lobby is for all sorts of discussion, not just ONE topic. I'm not disrupting anything.

Standalone links to random youtube videos aren't "discourse" or "discussion".

The topic in the lobby isn't set in stone, I'm not disrupting anything by posting a link to something not relevant to what other people are discussing. The admins just don't like me right now because I've stated they're shit at their job.

[Libertechie]

Because the actions and beliefs of a minority of a party reflect the entire group don't they?

Why do UKIP supporters always cling to this defence? It happens with alarming frequency, to senior members of the organisation and UKIP don't respond adequately and actually defend certain members of the party.

Yeah that's what's weird. You should heard about the story of Nikki Sinclaire, gosh Farage was a prick to her.

[Maklohi Vai]

*coughs politely*

*clears throat*

I don't know any photo editing software besides Pages, and that's just a word processor. Sorry.

Does debate happen only in the Chambers? No, it doesn't. Nonetheless, perhaps a more accurate term would be disruption of discourse.

So how are we EVER to change topics here? Are we supposed to stay on the same topic constantly? The lobby is for all sorts of discussion, not just ONE topic. I'm not disrupting anything.

disruption: "disturbance or problems that interrupt an event, activity, or process."

Changing topics is almost always not an interruption, but posting irrelevant and/or unhelpful YouTube links always is.

[Britanno]

Why do UKIP supporters always cling to this defence? It happens with alarming frequency, to senior members of the organisation and UKIP don't respond adequately and actually defend certain members of the party.

Because racist members of the party don't deserve to be defended.

The party, however, does. The idea that it is racist because it wants limits on the number of people who can come to Britain is absurd, because it is not saying that one race are superior to another.

[Maklohi Vai]

Standalone links to random youtube videos aren't "discourse" or "discussion".

The topic in the lobby isn't set in stone, I'm not disrupting anything by posting a link to something not relevant to what other people are discussing. The admins just don't like me right now because I've stated they're shit at their job.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause

This conversation has gone on too long. I'll kindly ask you once to stop. Stop, please.

[Kamchastkia]

Why do UKIP supporters always cling to this defence? It happens with alarming frequency, to senior members of the organisation and UKIP don't respond adequately and actually defend certain members of the party.

Because racist members of the party don't deserve to be defended.

The party, however, does. The idea that it is racist because it wants limits on the number of people who can come to Britain is absurd, because it is not saying that one race are superior to another.

Weird how they care more when it's brown people rather than say, Danish people...:/

Totally a coincidence.

[Libertechie]

Because racist members of the party don't deserve to be defended.

The party, however, does. The idea that it is racist because it wants limits on the number of people who can come to Britain is absurd, because it is not saying that one race are superior to another.

Weird how they care more when it's brown people rather than say, Danish people...:/

Totally a coincidence.

Do we really wanna have this conversation?
Is it really that important guys?

[Kamchastkia]

Weird how they care more when it's brown people rather than say, Danish people...:/

Totally a coincidence.

Do we really wanna have this conversation?
Is it really that important guys?

Racism should be addressed, wherever it exists.

[Malgrave]

Why do UKIP supporters always cling to this defence? It happens with alarming frequency, to senior members of the organisation and UKIP don't respond adequately and actually defend certain members of the party.

Because racist members of the party don't deserve to be defended.

The party, however, does. The idea that it is racist because it wants limits on the number of people who can come to Britain is absurd, because it is not saying that one race are superior to another.

I'm not claiming that UKIPs immigration policy is racist, just that its membership has frequently made racist comments and rarely faced punishment. UKIP rhetoric about immigrants however is xenophobic and offensive.

[Regnum Dominae]

It seems that my posting of my planned ballot made people incorrectly think that voting has actually started.

Anyway, I've motioned to end the debate early but I still need five(?) Seconders.

[Ainin]

It seems that my posting of my planned ballot made people incorrectly think that voting has actually started.

Anyway, I've motioned to end the debate early but I still need five(?) Seconders.

Doesn't the MRA say 12?

[Regnum Dominae]

It seems that my posting of my planned ballot made people incorrectly think that voting has actually started.

Anyway, I've motioned to end the debate early but I still need five(?) Seconders.

Doesn't the MRA say 12?

Well, however many it says. But I think 12 is way too many (amendment time!)

[Maklohi Vai]

Well, I'm off to my trip now. I'll have internet at my departure airport and the transfer airport, but after that it's no guarantee until January 8th. Please don't kill each other.

[Corenea]

Well, I'm off to my trip now. I'll have internet at my departure airport and the transfer airport, but after that it's no guarantee until January 8th. Please don't kill each other.

Got it *hides grenade*

[NSG Senate Administrators]

Fellow Senators,

We, the NSG Senate Administrators, have come to a consensus upon the matter of the banning of Dragomere, raised to our immediate attention by a recently assembled petition.

Through frequent godmodding, as well as unhelpful and rude roleplaying tactics and claims, Dragomere has angered and upset many members of this roleplay. These instances would often continue until an administrator was forced to make a decision, or a formal ruling; several players will attest that Dragomere found little reason to stop on his own. Moreover, in many instances he did not recognise his godmodding when prompted to do so on the spot. Only recently has he started to recognise some of his past transgressions.

Godmodding at its core is not only disruptive to the roleplay itself, but it is rude to the other participants in the roleplay who wish to have a reasonable realm of events and actions. When godmodding creates a large disturbance in the roleplay, it decreases the quality of the experience for everybody else, with no positive gains for the godmodder. While some may inadvertently godmod a statistic or a couple posts, the perpetuation of this behavior is a clear sign that the godmodder is neither learning from their mistakes nor willing to listen to their peers, including those like the Senate Administration who have disciplinary power.

The Administration recalls one instance in which an administrator made an official ruling, a warning, that was promptly and consciously ignored by Dragomere. After further disruptive behaviour and warnable offences by Dragomere, the incident culminated in a two day suspension for Dragomere from the Senate. This demonstrates Dragomere’s inability to respect not only authority, but also his peers and the roleplay itself. For evidence of the displeasure of Dragomere’s fellow roleplayers, we need only to point to the wide support for the petition brought to us.

Furthermore, upon numerous reports, it has been found and confirmed that Dragomere abused the power of the retcon to avoid punishments and/or roleplay repercussions. In addition, Dragomere has edited posts with the intent of avoiding administrative action and roleplay consequences. In this light we cite, among other incidents, the use of a Chinook strategic lift helicopter that was retconned without consent of all parties, done by Dragomere to avoid repercussions by law enforcement inside of the roleplay. This behaviour is unacceptable not only in the Senate, but in common roleplay conventions on the NationStates forums. As stated prior while on the subject of godmodding, actions such as the abuse of the retcon disrespect the Senate roleplay and the roleplayers therein.

Abusing the retcon and godmodding do not constitute bannable offences when on their own, nor even when combined in small quantities. In this situation, however, there has been a demonstrated and systematic perpetuation of these behaviors to the extent that it can be concluded that the roleplay has been significantly and uniquely harmed by the actions of Dragomere.

Therefore, it is our duty as administrators to announce to Dragomere that he is now on Warning Level Black, signifying an unconditional expulsion and ban from the NSG Senate roleplay for not only for the account entitled “Dragomere,” but for all other accounts controlled by the same player. This includes all threads associated with the roleplay whether or not they are marked by an appropriate tag. A violation will greatly decrease the chance that he ever participates in this roleplay again.

Dragomere may reapply in no less than 8 weeks (56 days) from the date of this post. Any readmission will be at the sole discretion of the NSG Senate Administrators, who will convene and vote on the matter.

- The NSG Senate Administration