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Postby Beta Test » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:59 pm

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Looks like I should probably complain against my teacher from about a decade ago then, frickin British education system.


Probably more to do with your specific school. I was taught a bit about the history of the Jews in Europe. For example I believe Edward II kicked the Jew out of England and wales and under William I Jews were only allowed to be money lenders as that was considered a job dirty job you might say.


This link gives a rough overview of when Jews were persecuted in different countries in Europe in the middle ages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Expul ... ios-en.svg

That makes me think. How were Jews treated in Aurentina?
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Probably more to do with your specific school. I was taught a bit about the history of the Jews in Europe. For example I believe Edward II kicked the Jew out of England and wales and under William I Jews were only allowed to be money lenders as that was considered a job dirty job you might say.


This link gives a rough overview of when Jews were persecuted in different countries in Europe in the middle ages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Expul ... ios-en.svg

That makes me think. How were Jews treated in Aurentina?

Probably well, since we have at leasy three Jewish Senators in the NFC (is Maryginina's new Senator Jewish?), not sure about ProgCoa though
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:01 pm

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Beta Test wrote:That makes me think. How were Jews treated in Aurentina?

Probably well, since we have at leasy three Jewish Senators in the NFC (is Maryginina's new Senator Jewish?), not sure about ProgCoa though

But they are all recent arrivals. I mean in medieval times.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:03 pm

Beta Test wrote:
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Probably more to do with your specific school. I was taught a bit about the history of the Jews in Europe. For example I believe Edward II kicked the Jew out of England and wales and under William I Jews were only allowed to be money lenders as that was considered a job dirty job you might say.


This link gives a rough overview of when Jews were persecuted in different countries in Europe in the middle ages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Expul ... ios-en.svg

That makes me think. How were Jews treated in Aurentina?



Probably just the same as other European countries. Barred from most professions and expelled, property confiscated and possibly killed from time to time.
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Postby Glasgia » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:12 pm

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Britanno wrote:
Looks like I should probably complain against my teacher from about a decade ago then, frickin British education system.


Probably more to do with your specific school. I was taught a bit about the history of the Jews in Europe. For example I believe Edward II kicked the Jew out of England and wales and under William I Jews were only allowed to be money lenders as that was considered a job dirty job you might say.



You know what I was taught about anti-Semitism by my school?

Hitler = Evil
German Jews = Dead

In both RE and History, only the latter of which I still take, we barely touched on historic prejudices or socio-economic situation. I think in History they briefly mentioned inflation during the Weimar Republic, demonstrated by some stupid activity where we compared food prices at various points in British and German history. Only keystage three, but still.

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Beta Test wrote:That makes me think. How were Jews treated in Aurentina?



Probably just the same as other European countries. Barred from most professions and expelled, property confiscated and possibly killed from time to time.


From the history I've written so far, they'd do fairly averagely by European standards until the civil war and rise of the Aurentine Republic. From then we opened up to trade with many Islamic nations and I don't see why we'd continue anything more than prejudice against Jewish populations - They'd likely do quite well due to other religious restrictions on handling money.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:19 pm

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Probably more to do with your specific school. I was taught a bit about the history of the Jews in Europe. For example I believe Edward II kicked the Jew out of England and wales and under William I Jews were only allowed to be money lenders as that was considered a job dirty job you might say.



You know what I was taught about anti-Semitism by my school?

Hitler = Evil
German Jews = Dead

In both RE and History, only the latter of which I still take, we barely touched on historic prejudices or socio-economic situation. I think in History they briefly mentioned inflation during the Weimar Republic, demonstrated by some stupid activity where we compared food prices at various points in British and German history. Only keystage three, but still.

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Probably just the same as other European countries. Barred from most professions and expelled, property confiscated and possibly killed from time to time.


From the history I've written so far, they'd do fairly averagely by European standards until the civil war and rise of the Aurentine Republic. From then we opened up to trade with many Islamic nations and I don't see why we'd continue anything more than prejudice against Jewish populations - They'd likely do quite well due to other religious restrictions on handling money.


Because at the time the Jew were seen as dirt and second class. Like at anytime in history there has been no sane reason to hate the Jews yet it has happened and they have been continually treated as second class citizens. I would call not following what happened in the rest of the continent (let's not forget the countries we are linked with all did it) historical revisionism. Hatred or prejudiced does not make sense from an outsider from a different time but why would the Jews in Aurentina be treated any different by the occupying forces than they were treated in their home countries?

You can't just make our history a sweet bed of Roses, to be a proper history there needs to be event's that have happened that we should be ashamed of happening in our country. This along with the rest of Europe is one of them.


EDIT: I Never did keystage three, my school thought it was a waste of time.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:30 pm

Beta Test wrote:So they said that Jews had it completely fine until the Nazis came along? They were hell wrong.


Not exactly, but one of the things I remember from that part of my education is about how the Jews were just like anybody else practically.
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:33 pm

Britanno wrote:
Beta Test wrote:So they said that Jews had it completely fine until the Nazis came along? They were hell wrong.


Not exactly, but one of the things I remember from that part of my education is about how the Jews were just like anybody else practically.

Well they are like anyone else, but they were treated differently.

My history classes are all focused on Australian history, which is the most boring part or history I have had to encounter.
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Postby Corenea » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:35 pm

Beta Test wrote:
Britanno wrote:
Not exactly, but one of the things I remember from that part of my education is about how the Jews were just like anybody else practically.

Well they are like anyone else, but they were treated differently.

My history classes are all focused on Australian history, which is the most boring part or history I have had to encounter.

In the States, we had AP European History for sophmores and US History for us Juniors and there are alot of events concerning jews in the AP Eurohistory textbooks and pretty minimal for the US history textbook
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:41 pm

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Beta Test wrote:Well they are like anyone else, but they were treated differently.

My history classes are all focused on Australian history, which is the most boring part or history I have had to encounter.

In the States, we had AP European History for sophmores and US History for us Juniors and there are alot of events concerning jews in the AP Eurohistory textbooks and pretty minimal for the US history textbook

US history is interesting. At things actually happened.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:49 pm

Beta Test wrote:
Britanno wrote:
Not exactly, but one of the things I remember from that part of my education is about how the Jews were just like anybody else practically.

Well they are like anyone else, but they were treated differently.

My history classes are all focused on Australian history, which is the most boring part or history I have had to encounter.


I imagine it is, not much happens in a Convict ship or a chain gang. Not like nowadays with all the games, TV and other accompaniment's they receive. :p
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:49 pm

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Corenea wrote:In the States, we had AP European History for sophmores and US History for us Juniors and there are alot of events concerning jews in the AP Eurohistory textbooks and pretty minimal for the US history textbook

US history is interesting. At things actually happened.


Yes like wiping out Native tribes, the Jews got off lightly when compared.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:50 pm

Beta Test wrote:My history classes are all focused on Australian history, which is the most boring part or history I have had to encounter.


I find the whole half-castes thing quite interesting, but I haven't had a chance to look that far into it.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:52 pm

Beta Test wrote:My history classes are all focused on Australian history, which is the most boring part or history I have had to encounter.


Mine for the most part were the causes of WW2, Vietnam and the Treaty of Waitangi.
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Postby Ainin » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:56 pm

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Britanno wrote:
Not exactly, but one of the things I remember from that part of my education is about how the Jews were just like anybody else practically.

Well they are like anyone else, but they were treated differently.

My history classes are all focused on Australian history, which is the most boring part or history I have had to encounter.

My history classes this year are on Europe and the Middle East from around -5000 to 1492.
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Postby Kouralia » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:59 pm

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Beta Test wrote:Well they are like anyone else, but they were treated differently.

My history classes are all focused on Australian history, which is the most boring part or history I have had to encounter.

My history classes this year are on Europe and the Middle East from around -5000 to 1492.

I have 'The USA from 1917-1951, 'Boom', Bust and Recovery', and 'How did Individuals Affect Relationships Between The Great Powers in The Period 1871-1991?' Last year I had 'The (British) Experience of Warfare, 1854-1919', 'Stalin's Russia, 1924-1953' and 'Ideology, Conflict and Retreat: The USA in Asia, 1950-1980'. Last year can, in other words, be summarised as 'War, The Musical Lesson'. We did Crimea, 2nd Boer, WWI, 'Great Patriotic' (WWII), Korea and Vietnam.

What with it being a Modern History A Level.
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Postby Gallup » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:59 pm

Beta Test wrote:
Britanno wrote:
Not exactly, but one of the things I remember from that part of my education is about how the Jews were just like anybody else practically.

Well they are like anyone else, but they were treated differently.

My history classes are all focused on Australian history, which is the most boring part or history I have had to encounter.

History classes can kinda suck. I love history, but on my own time, studying topics I care about.
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:01 pm

A part of the year was focused on the treatment of Aboriginals. It was the most boring lesson of history.
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Postby Mediciano » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:11 pm

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Beta Test wrote:US history is interesting. At things actually happened.


Yes like wiping out Native tribes, the Jews got off lightly when compared.

Manifest destiny. It was our God-given right to spread prosperity, freedom, and apple pie to those savage lands.

But seriously, I would categorize expansion into the West as a necessary evil in the development of the American superpower as we know it today.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:18 pm

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Yes like wiping out Native tribes, the Jews got off lightly when compared.

Manifest destiny. It was our God-given right to spread prosperity, freedom, and apple pie to those savage lands.

But seriously, I would categorize expansion into the West as a necessary evil in the development of the American superpower as we know it today.


That presumes that America is necessary for the world to exist.
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Mediciano wrote:Manifest destiny. It was our God-given right to spread prosperity, freedom, and apple pie to those savage lands.

But seriously, I would categorize expansion into the West as a necessary evil in the development of the American superpower as we know it today.


That presumes that America is necessary for the world to exist.


Of course it is. They won WW2 all by themselves!
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Postby Britanno » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:28 pm

East Ormania wrote:Of course it is. They won WW2 all by themselves!


Get out. :p
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:32 pm

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Beta Test wrote:So they said that Jews had it completely fine until the Nazis came along? They were hell wrong.


Not exactly, but one of the things I remember from that part of my education is about how the Jews were just like anybody else practically.

That sounds ridiculous. They were treated as second-class citizens, which is not "just like anybody else".
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:33 pm

East Ormania wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
That presumes that America is necessary for the world to exist.


Of course it is. They won WW2 all by themselves!


Without America as a country the East coast would have been part of the British Empire still so Britain would have done it all by themselves.
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:33 pm

Mediciano wrote:
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Yes like wiping out Native tribes, the Jews got off lightly when compared.

Manifest destiny. It was our God-given right to spread prosperity, freedom, and apple pie to those savage lands.

But seriously, I would categorize expansion into the West as a necessary evil in the development of the American superpower as we know it today.

The world doesn't need an American superpower.
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