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Postby New Bierstaat » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:03 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:It might seem a little confusing but the order is the order they are listed in the PpT chamber posts not listed in the bill or the OP. The current order is thus,

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Ah, okay.

Health has five potentially controversial bills. I'm going to take advantage of this in order to re-energize the Senate Right. (or so I hope)

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Postby Kamchastkia » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:57 am

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:The correct number is 20 million. Stalin was also killing his own people unlike hitler.
I do not approve what they have done. But from a point of view stalin was hitler X2


The Liberated Territories wrote:Stalin had claimed what, 60 million people? That's more than Hitler. Yet for some reason Hitlerites are more vilified than Stalinists.

And don't give me the bs that Stalin was working towards the greater good.


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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:16 am

Kamchastkia wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:The correct number is 20 million. Stalin was also killing his own people unlike hitler.
I do not approve what they have done. But from a point of view stalin was hitler X2


The Liberated Territories wrote:Stalin had claimed what, 60 million people? That's more than Hitler. Yet for some reason Hitlerites are more vilified than Stalinists.

And don't give me the bs that Stalin was working towards the greater good.


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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:17 am

Well you know that in such a society our little kam will board that train first Regnum?
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:39 am

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Well you know that in such a society our little kam will board that train first Regnum?

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Postby Britanno » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:30 am

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:The correct number is 20 million. Stalin was also killing his own people unlike hitler.
I do not approve what they have done. But from a point of view stalin was hitler X2


So Jewish Germans weren't German?
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Postby Britanno » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:30 am

Did anything much happen in the last 24 hours?
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Postby Corenea » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:32 am

Britanno wrote:Did anything much happen in the last 24 hours?

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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:32 am

Britanno wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:The correct number is 20 million. Stalin was also killing his own people unlike hitler.
I do not approve what they have done. But from a point of view stalin was hitler X2


So Jewish Germans weren't German?


I said britano that I do not agree with what they have done. But stalin victims were all Russians. And in that total we are not talking about the people that died in the second world war.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:33 am

Corenea wrote:
Britanno wrote:Did anything much happen in the last 24 hours?

The Libertarian Party became the Communizt Party

So... more of a joke than before?
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Postby Britanno » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:35 am

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:I said britano that I do not agree with what they have done. But stalin victims were all Russians. And in that total we are not talking about the people that died in the second world war.


You said Hitler didn't kill his own people, despite millions of Germans being killed by their own government.

I totally support you when you say that you do not agree with him, but what I am saying is that Hitler did kill his own people.

Far too often people assume that before the Nazis took power, Jews were discriminated against. They really weren't. They were just a normal part of the population like any other, but the Germans needed someone to blame.
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Postby Mediciano » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:38 am

Britanno wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:I said britano that I do not agree with what they have done. But stalin victims were all Russians. And in that total we are not talking about the people that died in the second world war.


You said Hitler didn't kill his own people, despite millions of Germans being killed by their own government.

I totally support you when you say that you do not agree with him, but what I am saying is that Hitler did kill his own people.

Far too often people assume that before the Nazis took power, Jews were discriminated against. They really weren't. They were just a normal part of the population like any other, but the Germans needed someone to blame.

This is very untrue. Antisemitism has been strong in Europe since the Middle Ages. It only weakened after the fall of the axis powers in WWII, mainly in retaliation to nazi atrocities.

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Postby Oneracon » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:41 am

Mediciano wrote:
Britanno wrote:
You said Hitler didn't kill his own people, despite millions of Germans being killed by their own government.

I totally support you when you say that you do not agree with him, but what I am saying is that Hitler did kill his own people.

Far too often people assume that before the Nazis took power, Jews were discriminated against. They really weren't. They were just a normal part of the population like any other, but the Germans needed someone to blame.

This is very untrue. Antisemitism has been strong in Europe since the Middle Ages. It only weakened after the fall of the axis powers in WWII, mainly in retaliation to nazi atrocities.

Not just in Europe either, it was prevalent in North America prior to WWII as well.
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Postby Corenea » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:42 am

Oneracon wrote:
Corenea wrote:The Libertarian Party became the Communizt Party

So... more of a joke than before?

No just more socialist than the Red Greens
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:44 am

Corenea wrote:
Oneracon wrote:So... more of a joke than before?

No just more socialist than the Red Greens

Well let's see them prove it :p
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:53 pm

Britanno wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:The correct number is 20 million. Stalin was also killing his own people unlike hitler.
I do not approve what they have done. But from a point of view stalin was hitler X2


So Jewish Germans weren't German?


Well, no actually. That's kind of the problem, they were not seen as Germans.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:14 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:Well, no actually. That's kind of the problem, they were not seen as Germans.


By Hitler, but they were Germans.
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Postby East Ormania » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:29 pm

Britanno wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:Well, no actually. That's kind of the problem, they were not seen as Germans.


By Hitler, but they were Germans.


Interesting story here: As Einstein was a Jew, Hitler obviously did not accept him as a German and whatnot. They also didn't accept his theiry of the creation of the universe. SO they came up with a theory created by an Austrian scientist that said the universe was a huge block of ice.
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:36 pm

Britanno wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:I said britano that I do not agree with what they have done. But stalin victims were all Russians. And in that total we are not talking about the people that died in the second world war.


You said Hitler didn't kill his own people, despite millions of Germans being killed by their own government.

I totally support you when you say that you do not agree with him, but what I am saying is that Hitler did kill his own people.

Far too often people assume that before the Nazis took power, Jews were discriminated against. They really weren't. They were just a normal part of the population like any other, but the Germans needed someone to blame.

Not true. Anti-Semitic behaviour had existed among the population for hundreds of years. Hitler took it to an extreme level never before seen in history.
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:38 pm

East Ormania wrote:
Britanno wrote:
By Hitler, but they were Germans.


Interesting story here: As Einstein was a Jew, Hitler obviously did not accept him as a German and whatnot. They also didn't accept his theiry of the creation of the universe. SO they came up with a theory created by an Austrian scientist that said the universe was a huge block of ice.

World Ice Theory.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:43 pm

Beta Test wrote:Not true. Anti-Semitic behaviour had existed among the population for hundreds of years. Hitler took it to an extreme level never before seen in history.


Looks like I should probably complain against my teacher from about a decade ago then, frickin British education system.
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:46 pm

Britanno wrote:
Beta Test wrote:Not true. Anti-Semitic behaviour had existed among the population for hundreds of years. Hitler took it to an extreme level never before seen in history.


Looks like I should probably complain against my teacher from about a decade ago then, frickin British education system.

So they said that Jews had it completely fine until the Nazis came along? They were hell wrong.
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Postby Mediciano » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:50 pm

Beta Test wrote:
Britanno wrote:
Looks like I should probably complain against my teacher from about a decade ago then, frickin British education system.

So they said that Jews had it completely fine until the Nazis came along? They were hell wrong.

Did they skip over the Inquisition? Did the English class not cover the Merchant of Venice? What about the Pale of Settlement in Russia? There was even a limit on Jews allowed in Prussia imposed by Frederick II!
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Postby Corenea » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:52 pm

Britanno wrote:
Beta Test wrote:Not true. Anti-Semitic behaviour had existed among the population for hundreds of years. Hitler took it to an extreme level never before seen in history.


Looks like I should probably complain against my teacher from about a decade ago then, frickin British education system.

And I thought my European History teacher was terrible
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:57 pm

Britanno wrote:
Beta Test wrote:Not true. Anti-Semitic behaviour had existed among the population for hundreds of years. Hitler took it to an extreme level never before seen in history.


Looks like I should probably complain against my teacher from about a decade ago then, frickin British education system.


Probably more to do with your specific school. I was taught a bit about the history of the Jews in Europe. For example I believe Edward II kicked the Jew out of England and wales and under William I Jews were only allowed to be money lenders as that was considered a job dirty job you might say.


This link gives a rough overview of when Jews were persecuted in different countries in Europe in the middle ages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Expul ... ios-en.svg
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