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Macedonian Grand Empire
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:27 pm

haha you do not know how much that will cost right?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:28 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:We already have a rail network.

What ticket Prices? And what top speed?


Railway Operations and Regulations Act
Category: Domestic Development
Urgency: None
Drafted By: Michael Blumenthal (NDP)
Sponsors: Minarchist States (LP), Coronea (Reform), Dangelia (CMP), Divitaen (CMP)


RECOGNISING: The attempts made by the Railways Act to regulate the railways network and ensure safe operation of said railways.

NOTING: That whilst the Railways Act was made with good intentions, it was inadequate and did not cover all aspects of rail transportation in Aurentina.

HEREBY: Repeals the Railways Act and passes the Railway Operations and Regulations Act.

Article 1: On Infrastructure
1a: Hereby mandates that all public railways are to retain the 1435mm ( international standard) gauge lines and that all rolling stock intended to operate on public lines must be compatible.
1b: Adopts the British system of railway signalling and rules regarding signalling.
1c: Mandates that British standard visual signals are to be maintained on all public lines and replaced when necessary.
1d: Mandates that level crossings in urban areas have the following:
  • Road markings indicating a level crossing
  • Road signs indicating a level crossing
  • Audible warning sirens which are to be standardised
  • Visual warnings such as flashing lights
  • Automatic barriers
1e: Mandates that level crossings in rural areas have the following:
  • Road markings indicating a level crossing
  • Road signs indicating a level crossing
  • Audible or visual warnings
  • Stop sign

1f: All speed limit signs are to be displayed on yellow signs with black characters and numerals.
1g: All public rail infrastructure is to be maintained and owned by the government under a subsidiary created and owned by the Ministry of Transport.
1h: All train stations are to be owned jointly by the Ministry of Transport and local city and district councils.
1i: City councils may construct control rooms to handle commuter, passenger and freight traffic on all rail lines within the council's territory.
1j: All rail lines are to have a 25 KV AC overhead electric rail traction system as standard.
1k: All companies operating services on public lines must pay a set amount of profits annually to the government for the maintenance of the public rail system.

Article 2: On Operation
2a: All commuter rail trains must not exceed posted speed limits and are limited to a top speed of 110km/h.
2b: All inter-city passenger and freight trains must not exceed 160km/h.
2c: All high-speed train sets must not exceed 320km/h or their safe operating speed, whichever comes first.
2d: Failure to abide by the speed limit will result in an immediate £1,500 fine plus an additional £100 per kilometre over the posted limit.
2e: All train drivers must be appropriately licenced. Failure to abide by this will result in an immediate suspension and a fine against the operating company of £5,000.
2f: All train companies must ensure that their employees are not operating train services under the influence of drugs or other substances. To do so whilst under the influence is illegal and is punishable by immediate suspension and a fine of £5,000 against the company.
2g: Hereby deregulates the railway network to allow private companies to begin operations.
2h: Mandates that Aurail must be retained as a state-owned enterprise.
2i: Declares the following to be necessary for operation in Aurentina:
  • A minimum of £15 million as an initial investment to acquire rolling stock, locomotives and employees.
  • An appropriate licence for the type of service the company wishes to engage in.
  • Have already well established rail services in another country.
2j: Allows city councils to contract commuter rail services to private or public companies and to use rates collected to subsidise commuter rail services.

Article 3: On Heritage Rail
3a: Allows heritage rail societies to purchase disused rail locomotives, rolling stock and rail line sections fron Aurail or other companies in order to begin operations.
3b: All drivers registered with a heritage rail society must be resgistered as any other train driver.
3c: All trains on pirvate lines must abide by speed limits on public lines where posted.
3d: All trains on public lines must abide by the same laws as commerical trains.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:29 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:haha you do not know how much that will cost right?


Not to mention lines more than likely already exist. Building new ones would be a waste of money and time.
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Postby Ainin » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:30 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Dragomere wrote:Dragomere Rail System Plan

PS: You might need to zoom in to properly see the rail systems.


Well good luck funding that with your assets frozen and without any backers.

We can do it, through the power of magic!
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:30 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:haha you do not know how much that will cost right?


Not to mention lines more than likely already exist. Building new ones would be a waste of money and time.


Hmm we have bridges or tunnels 40-50 km long? Over the Mediterranean?
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Postby Ainin » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:31 pm

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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:31 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Not to mention lines more than likely already exist. Building new ones would be a waste of money and time.


Hmm we have bridges or tunnels 40-50 km long? Over the Mediterranean?


I'm referring to his new rail proposals.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:31 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Not to mention lines more than likely already exist. Building new ones would be a waste of money and time.


Hmm we have bridges or tunnels 40-50 km long? Over the Mediterranean?


No we don't.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:32 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Hmm we have bridges or tunnels 40-50 km long? Over the Mediterranean?


No we don't.


Well if you have not seen his line has them. That's why it was my question. He is connecting the island chain with his proposed lines.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:32 pm

Ainin wrote:



How do people get to work? The morning has almost no trains compared to the evening.
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Postby Ainin » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:33 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Ainin wrote:



How do people get to work? The morning has almost no trains compared to the evening.

Oh, I forgot to add that this is the schedule of trains leaving Central, sorry.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:35 pm

Ainin wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:

How do people get to work? The morning has almost no trains compared to the evening.

Oh, I forgot to add that this is the schedule of trains leaving Central, sorry.


:lol: Now it makes sense!
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Postby Dragomere » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:42 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Dragomere wrote:What ticket Prices? And what top speed?


Railway Operations and Regulations Act
Category: Domestic Development
Urgency: None
Drafted By: Michael Blumenthal (NDP)
Sponsors: Minarchist States (LP), Coronea (Reform), Dangelia (CMP), Divitaen (CMP)


RECOGNISING: The attempts made by the Railways Act to regulate the railways network and ensure safe operation of said railways.

NOTING: That whilst the Railways Act was made with good intentions, it was inadequate and did not cover all aspects of rail transportation in Aurentina.

HEREBY: Repeals the Railways Act and passes the Railway Operations and Regulations Act.

Article 1: On Infrastructure
1a: Hereby mandates that all public railways are to retain the 1435mm ( international standard) gauge lines and that all rolling stock intended to operate on public lines must be compatible.
1b: Adopts the British system of railway signalling and rules regarding signalling.
1c: Mandates that British standard visual signals are to be maintained on all public lines and replaced when necessary.
1d: Mandates that level crossings in urban areas have the following:
  • Road markings indicating a level crossing
  • Road signs indicating a level crossing
  • Audible warning sirens which are to be standardised
  • Visual warnings such as flashing lights
  • Automatic barriers
1e: Mandates that level crossings in rural areas have the following:
  • Road markings indicating a level crossing
  • Road signs indicating a level crossing
  • Audible or visual warnings
  • Stop sign

1f: All speed limit signs are to be displayed on yellow signs with black characters and numerals.
1g: All public rail infrastructure is to be maintained and owned by the government under a subsidiary created and owned by the Ministry of Transport.
1h: All train stations are to be owned jointly by the Ministry of Transport and local city and district councils.
1i: City councils may construct control rooms to handle commuter, passenger and freight traffic on all rail lines within the council's territory.
1j: All rail lines are to have a 25 KV AC overhead electric rail traction system as standard.
1k: All companies operating services on public lines must pay a set amount of profits annually to the government for the maintenance of the public rail system.

Article 2: On Operation
2a: All commuter rail trains must not exceed posted speed limits and are limited to a top speed of 110km/h.
2b: All inter-city passenger and freight trains must not exceed 160km/h.
2c: All high-speed train sets must not exceed 320km/h or their safe operating speed, whichever comes first.
2d: Failure to abide by the speed limit will result in an immediate £1,500 fine plus an additional £100 per kilometre over the posted limit.
2e: All train drivers must be appropriately licenced. Failure to abide by this will result in an immediate suspension and a fine against the operating company of £5,000.
2f: All train companies must ensure that their employees are not operating train services under the influence of drugs or other substances. To do so whilst under the influence is illegal and is punishable by immediate suspension and a fine of £5,000 against the company.
2g: Hereby deregulates the railway network to allow private companies to begin operations.
2h: Mandates that Aurail must be retained as a state-owned enterprise.
2i: Declares the following to be necessary for operation in Aurentina:
  • A minimum of £15 million as an initial investment to acquire rolling stock, locomotives and employees.
  • An appropriate licence for the type of service the company wishes to engage in.
  • Have already well established rail services in another country.
2j: Allows city councils to contract commuter rail services to private or public companies and to use rates collected to subsidise commuter rail services.

Article 3: On Heritage Rail
3a: Allows heritage rail societies to purchase disused rail locomotives, rolling stock and rail line sections fron Aurail or other companies in order to begin operations.
3b: All drivers registered with a heritage rail society must be resgistered as any other train driver.
3c: All trains on pirvate lines must abide by speed limits on public lines where posted.
3d: All trains on public lines must abide by the same laws as commerical trains.

"2c: All high-speed train sets must not exceed 320km/h or their safe operating speed, whichever comes first."

Perfectly Fine.
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Not to mention lines more than likely already exist. Building new ones would be a waste of money and time.


Hmm we have bridges or tunnels 40-50 km long? Over the Mediterranean?

Tunnels, as to not restrict boats and other ocean going vessels.

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:haha you do not know how much that will cost right?

Maybe $500 billion-$10 trillion estimated.
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Postby Dragomere » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:42 pm

Dragomere wrote:OOC: If my corporations get admin approved, the following would be my Copyrighted and Trademarked Logo:
(Image)
Link to Corporation Stats
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:43 pm

and you have any idea how you gonna raise the 10 trillion?
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Postby Dragomere » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:44 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:and you have any idea how you gonna raise the 10 trillion?

Private and public investments, and building sections at different times (thus being able to use their own profits to help fund it).
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Postby Ainin » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:08 pm

US Federal Budget: $3.8 trillion
Dragomere's Train: $10 trillion


That's nice.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:10 pm

Ainin wrote:US Federal Budget: $3.8 trillion
Dragomere's Train: $10 trillion


That's nice.


:roll: :palm:
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Postby Libertechie » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:12 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
Capital Transportation Commission wrote:I am copyrighting the idea to copyright bad ideas.

I dont think either of those is copyrightable. The design would be.

This is going to be very hard to initiate, going all the way up to Paris. I would think the French govt would be worried about it as a threat to TGV profits which are already in decline, and they do need this profit to pay off its public debt. Can we do some consultation first about this? This will have to involve some regional collaboration of transport minstries. The French govt have already monopolized their market, they nationalized the rail industry in the 80s. reposted
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Postby Dragomere » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:24 pm

Ainin wrote:US Federal Budget: $3.8 trillion
Dragomere's Train: $10 trillion


That's nice.

That is the upper max estimate, though it would be more of a maximum of $1 trillion, now that I was able to narrow down the numbers. Also, it will take a while to complete.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:34 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Ainin wrote:US Federal Budget: $3.8 trillion
Dragomere's Train: $10 trillion


That's nice.

That is the upper max estimate, though it would be more of a maximum of $1 trillion, now that I was able to narrow down the numbers. Also, it will take a while to complete.


Yeah forever as you have no money and no investors.
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Postby Ainin » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:42 pm

(we're not a party, so the Ethics Act doesn't apply to the following:)
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:50 pm

Ainin wrote:(we're not a party, so the Ethics Act doesn't apply to the following:)
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Postby The Ministry of Defence » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:47 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Dragomere wrote:That is the upper max estimate, though it would be more of a maximum of $1 trillion, now that I was able to narrow down the numbers. Also, it will take a while to complete.


Yeah forever as you have no money and no investors.

This is my point! Who's stupid enough to invest in him? All his money apparently goes towards private jets and military grade security (which makes you wonder where the profits even come from) and he's being prosecuted and having his assets seized? Who in their right mind looks at that and declares it a safe choice worthy of investing? It is a puerile power fantasy based solely off imagination, and there is no correlation whatsoever to the world we all identify as reality.

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Postby Dragomere » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:50 pm

The Ministry of Defence wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Yeah forever as you have no money and no investors.

This is my point! Who's stupid enough to invest in him? All his money apparently goes towards private jets and military grade security (which makes you wonder where the profits even come from) and he's being prosecuted and having his assets seized? Who in their right mind looks at that and declares it a safe choice worthy of investing? It is a puerile power fantasy based solely off imagination, and there is no correlation whatsoever to the world we all identify as reality.

China or Argentina to own a piece of Aurentina.
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