NSG Senate Lobby: Bread, Circuses and Automatic Weapons

[Divair]

You still haven't told me what is so bad about Google Drive. Name specifics.

Just compare the UI's to see how much is missing from Google Docs.

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I presume that came bundled with your device? How much did you pay for your device?

No. Much like Google Drive, some of it was free upon registration. Some of it was from the devices. Some of it was from Microsoft for being with them for so long.

Could you list the prices?

Desktop was about $1k. Surface Pro, 128GB model, was about $500. Laptop (G780, top-tier) was about $900. Lumia 920 was about $250. Lumia 1520 was about $500.

Actually, you can't. Chrome OS has an easier update process, better security, less energy/resource usage, a faster boot time, and comes shipped on devices with lower prices than most Windows devices (with the exception of the Pixel, which is more of a dev laptop than a consumer laptop).

I think you misunderstand. You quite literally can download the entire Chrome OS onto a Windows device, some of whom have the same price as a Chromebook. There's literally no reason to opt for a Chromebook over that.

[Belmaria]

Just compare the UI's to see how much is missing from Google Docs.

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Most people would never use a majority of those buttons in Excel. Granted, if you need a very in-depth office suite, MS Office has more than Google Docs. But you can use RollApps to run LibreOffice on Chrome OS for free. It has most of the features of MS Office.

No. Much like Google Drive, some of it was free upon registration. Some of it was from the devices. Some of it was from Microsoft for being with them for so long.

How much did you get in each case?

Desktop was about $1k. Surface Pro, 128GB model, was about $500. Laptop (G780, top-tier) was about $900. Lumia 920 was about $250. Lumia 1520 was about $500.

So you essentially paid top-tier prices for most of your devices. No wonder you got bundled goodies.

I think you misunderstand. You quite literally can download the entire Chrome OS onto a Windows device, some of whom have the same price as a Chromebook. There's literally no reason to opt for a Chromebook over that.

No, I think you misunderstand. You literally can't download the entire Chrome OS on a Windows device. You can get Chrome's Metro interface, which has a Chrome-OS-esque interface, but not the entire operating system. This is what you get with Chrome OS that you don't get with Chrome on Windows:

- Better sandboxing for security
- Verified Boot and Access services
- Seamless Local Data Encryption
- No nagging update popups or prompts
- 7 second boot time
- Less resource usage due to a streamlined OS

Windows isn't nearly as secure or fast as Chrome OS.

[Oneracon]

Why is this discussion happening here, exactly?

Good question.

I will repeat!

[The Union of the West]

I don't mean to be that guy, but isn't there another place you could discuss this?

[The Union of the West]

Good question.

I will repeat!

^^^

[Ainin]

I can boot a calculator in 0.1 seconds.

It beats OS X, Win8 and Chrome OS.

[Glasgia]

I can boot a calculator in 0.1 seconds.

It beats OS X, Win8 and Chrome OS.

How dare you betray the Windows Master Race! You calculator pig-dog traitor!

EDIT: Also known as a Calcutraitor

[Divair]

Most people would never use a majority of those buttons in Excel. Granted, if you need a very in-depth office suite, MS Office has more than Google Docs. But you can use RollApps to run LibreOffice on Chrome OS for free. It has most of the features of MS Office.

Most consumers, which is why Google Docs is fine if you're doing light-duty work. Office dominates enterprises and educational institutions for a reason, though. It's simply the best.

How much did you get in each case?

Can't recall off the top of my head, it's been months since I've bought my devices. Emails from MS tend to be 20GB segments, though.

So you essentially paid top-tier prices for most of your devices. No wonder you got bundled goodies.

I have the finances to afford top-tier hardware to ensure I can continue to do my work properly. Low-tier devices also come with free OneDrive storage, if that's what you're referring to.

No, I think you misunderstand. You literally can't download the entire Chrome OS on a Windows device. You can get Chrome's Metro interface, which has a Chrome-OS-esque interface, but not the entire operating system. This is what you get with Chrome OS that you don't get with Chrome on Windows:

You can.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/h ... me-os/9006

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Windows isn't nearly as secure or fast as Chrome OS.

Source.

[Belmaria]

I can boot a calculator in 0.1 seconds.

It beats OS X, Win8 and Chrome OS.

You're missing the point. Chrome OS does everything that most people need their computer to do. If you need specialized apps or want a gaming computer then obviously it isn't for you. But why pay 300-400 dollars for a low-end Windows laptop when you can get a $200 Chromebook if that's all you need?

[Regnum Dominae]

Just compare the UI's to see how much is missing from Google Docs.

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Most people would never use a majority of those buttons in Excel.

I'm not sure about that. I use excel only for fairly basic things and I still use at least half those buttons.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=261710 this might be a better place for the discussion though

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Well bel you want top of the line performance you will pay the high end prices. Windows is superior to the chrome OS in every aspect.
7 seconds boot time? My current computer boots up in around 10 to 15 seconds depending. So to sacrifice every gain from windows due to a 3 second gain from boot up time is crazy.
The security issues are solvable and google is no better then windows in that regard.
And it is better to have more functions that you get with MS office then not have them and when you need them to be found wanting.

[Regnum Dominae]

I can boot a calculator in 0.1 seconds.

It beats OS X, Win8 and Chrome OS.

You're missing the point. Chrome OS does everything that most people need their computer to do. If you need specialized apps or want a gaming computer then obviously it isn't for you. But why pay 300-400 dollars for a low-end Windows laptop when you can get a $200 Chromebook if that's all you need?

Are you sure about that? Even my parents who are not tech savvy at all need to do far more than chrome os allows.

[Glasgia]

I can boot a calculator in 0.1 seconds.

It beats OS X, Win8 and Chrome OS.

You're missing the point. Chrome OS does everything that most people need their computer to do. If you need specialized apps or want a gaming computer then obviously it isn't for you. But why pay 300-400 dollars for a low-end Windows laptop when you can get a $200 Chromebook if that's all you need?

I paid two hundred and fifty for a decent Windows laptop. It has everything I require and runs decently as a gaming computer - I play Arma II and HoI III, two of the most memory consuming games possible, with little trouble

[Divair]

I can boot a calculator in 0.1 seconds.

It beats OS X, Win8 and Chrome OS.

Wins 8 devices boot fast enough that you can fit it in a Vine.
https://vine.co/v/hlnWztJiMvn

[Maklohi Vai]

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[The Union of the West]

Good question.

I will repeat!

They're not listening...

[Divair]

I can boot a calculator in 0.1 seconds.

It beats OS X, Win8 and Chrome OS.

You're missing the point. Chrome OS does everything that most people need their computer to do. If you need specialized apps or want a gaming computer then obviously it isn't for you. But why pay 300-400 dollars for a low-end Windows laptop when you can get a $200 Chromebook if that's all you need?

Why pay $200 for what is essentially a browser when you can pay $99 and get a computer?
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ ... ro-for-99/

[Regnum Dominae]

Tech Discussion Thread

[Ainin]

Google Chrome OS	Texas Instruments 34 MultiView Scientific Calculator
7 seconds to boot up	Less than 0.05 seconds to boot up
Little resource usage	Virtually no resource usage
No update popups and prompts	No popups or prompts at all
Streamlined OS	WAY MORE streamlined OS
Good security	Impenetrable security
$250	$19.99 + shipping and handling

Winner: Calculator

[Regnum Dominae]

Google Chrome OS	Texas Instruments 34 MultiView Scientific Calculator
7 seconds to boot up	Less than 0.05 seconds to boot up
Little resource usage	Virtually no resource usage
No update popups and prompts	No popups or prompts at all
Streamlined OS	WAY MORE streamlined OS
Good security	Impenetrable security
$250	$19.99 + shipping and handling

Winner: Calculator

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=261710&p=18680471#p18680471

[Belmaria]

Most consumers, which is why Google Docs is fine if you're doing light-duty work. Office dominates enterprises and educational institutions for a reason, though. It's simply the best.

But why would someone who doesn't need MS Office want to have such a cluttered interface? Google Docs is more intuitive.

I have the finances to afford top-tier hardware to ensure I can continue to do my work properly. Low-tier devices also come with free OneDrive storage, if that's what you're referring to.

How much storage is offered on low-end devices, and how much do these devices cost? Are there any other goodies like free in-flight Wifi?

You can.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/h ... me-os/9006

Nope. That's Chromium OS. It's not the complete OS, and it's hard to update. Plus, that version of Chromium OS doesn't even work any more. And I don't think there are any stable dev builds of Chromium OS on the internet any more so you would have to build it yourself. So much easier than just buying a laptop with Chrome OS on it.

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Windows isn't nearly as secure or fast as Chrome OS.

Source.[/quote]
http://blogs.computerworld.com/cybercri ... -chrome-os
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/77556.html#

EDIT: I'll go to the tech thread. I posted before I saw the link.

[Regnum Dominae]

Tech Discussion Thread

[Glasgia]

So, what's your favourite type of cheese? Just replacing the computer discussion. I'm personally all for strong cheese - Mature Cheddar is best with oatcakes, while I'd go for Stilton on my cob. Well, that's a lie - I'd go for Chicken Mayo or something, but out of the cheeses I'd prefer something blue inside my sarnies. No, that's not a euphemism for some strange mould fetish.

[Regnum Dominae]

So, what's your favourite type of cheese? Just replacing the computer discussion. I'm personally all for strong cheese - Mature Cheddar is best with oatcakes, while I'd go for Stilton on my cob. Well, that's a lie - I'd go for Chicken Mayo or something, but out of the cheeses I'd prefer something blue inside my sarnies. No, that's not a euphemism for some strange mould fetish.

Tillamook Extra Sharp White Cheddar Special Reserve, followed by brie and port wine cheddar. Really depends on what I'm using it for.

in b4 vegans

[The Union of the West]

So, what's your favourite type of cheese? Just replacing the computer discussion. I'm personally all for strong cheese - Mature Cheddar is best with oatcakes, while I'd go for Stilton on my cob. Well, that's a lie - I'd go for Chicken Mayo or something, but out of the cheeses I'd prefer something blue inside my sarnies. No, that's not a euphemism for some strange mould fetish.

I don't eat your fancy bourgeoisie cheese...

...did I just say that?