NSG Senate Lobby: Bread, Circuses and Automatic Weapons

[Belmaria]

T-Mobile has an agreement with Google to offer free data to 3G/4G Chromebooks for two years after purchase. Also, all Chromebooks come with 100 GB of free Google Drive space for 2 years (except for the Pixel which has a TB of space for three years), 12 free GoGo wifi passes, and a free trial of Google Play Music. So I should probably add that as well.

That's T-Mobile USA, and as far as I'm aware of, T-Mobile has no service in Aurentina.

Who provides mobile services in Aurentina then?

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... dnmojicndb
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... iahggomhaf
They're Chrome apps. You're literally paying for a browser.

http://www.scroogled.com/chromebook :3

Most of the "information" on that website is false, fyi.

[Divair]

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... dnmojicndb
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... iahggomhaf
They're Chrome apps. You're literally paying for a browser.

You're paying for the hardware, actually. The OS is free. And to say that an app is bad because it's a "Chrome App" is like saying that Windows or Android apps are inherently bad too. Like I said before (maybe you didn't hear me) they are NOT browser-based. They run independently on the system as a separate application. They do NOT rely on an internet connection to function. They are NOT browser-based apps. And there are several apps like that.

Chrome apps don't require an internet connection either. Paying $99 for hardware just for a browser is ridiculous when you can pay twice as much to have a full-fledged computer with Office, a browser, and the Windows app store.

[Ainin]

That's T-Mobile USA, and as far as I'm aware of, T-Mobile has no service in Aurentina.

Who provides mobile services in Aurentina then?

VestMobile, Hex Telecom and Orission.

[Belmaria]

You're paying for the hardware, actually. The OS is free. And to say that an app is bad because it's a "Chrome App" is like saying that Windows or Android apps are inherently bad too. Like I said before (maybe you didn't hear me) they are NOT browser-based. They run independently on the system as a separate application. They do NOT rely on an internet connection to function. They are NOT browser-based apps. And there are several apps like that.

Chrome apps don't require an internet connection either. Paying $99 for hardware just for a browser is ridiculous when you can pay twice as much to have a full-fledged computer with Office, a browser, and the Windows app store.

You get an office suite for free with Chrome OS: Google Docs. Do you get MS Office for free with Windows, or is that extra?

And as for the app store... you do realize that the Chrome App Store is pretty much the same thing, right?

And once again, you don't JUST get a browser. There are SEVERAL independent apps that you can run on a Chromebook. Are you deaf or something?

[Divair]

You get an office suite for free with Chrome OS: Google Docs.

But not actual Office.

Do you get MS Office for free with Windows, or is that extra?

Many devices come with free Office these days, yes.

And as for the app store... you do realize that the Chrome App Store is pretty much the same thing, right?

The Chrome app store is mostly games or Chrome extensions. The Windows app store is proper apps, much like the Apple store.

[Ainin]

Do you get MS Office for free with Windows, or is that extra?

I dunno, I got Office 2013 Home and Student, Adobe Photoshop/Premiere Elements and the CyberLink media editing suite for free with my PC.

And as for the app store... you do realize that the Chrome App Store is pretty much the same thing, right?

The Chrome Web Store is little more than a complicated way to add bookmarks and a tiny amount of actual apps that do stuff.

Meanwhile, there's 142,000 actual apps on the Windows Store.

[Belmaria]

But not actual Office.

"Actual" office? Really? What would you consider "actual" office? And what is so bad about Google Docs?

Many devices come with free Office these days, yes.

And are these free versions of MS Office limited, or are they the complete version of MS Office?

The Chrome app store is mostly games or Chrome extensions. The Windows app store is proper apps, much like the Apple store.

Proper Apps? You mean like native packaged apps that run independently? There are thousands of those on the Chrome Web Store. Here are just a few.

Do you get MS Office for free with Windows, or is that extra?

I dunno, I got Office 2013 Home and Student, Adobe Photoshop/Premiere Elements and the CyberLink media editing suite for free with my PC.

And as for the app store... you do realize that the Chrome App Store is pretty much the same thing, right?

The Chrome Web Store is little more than a complicated way to add bookmarks and a tiny amount of actual apps that do stuff.

Meanwhile, there's 142,000 actual apps on the Windows Store.

How much did you pay for your computer?

And I already addressed the "fake" apps point that Divair made.

[Divair]

"Actual" office? Really? What would you consider "actual" office? And what is so bad about Google Docs?

Nowhere near as sophisticated as Office. OneNote is the best note-taking app. Word is the most advanced word processor. PowerPoint is the best app to make presentations. Don't even get me started on Excel.

And are these free versions of MS Office limited, or are they the complete version of MS Office?

Complete version, of course.

Proper Apps? You mean like native packaged apps that run independently? There are thousands of those on the Chrome Web Store. Here are just a few.

I'm perfectly aware of the Chrome app store, I use it frequently. It's mostly nonsense. Go look at the Windows app store if you want to find proper apps. We're talking about stuff like Facebook, Twitter clients, Reddit clients, news clients, painting apps, note-taking apps, radio apps, e-readers, sports apps, etcetc. Quite literally hundreds of thousands of apps.

[New Zepuha]

First announcement of the day today, Emilia Nuckerberg will be stepping down as NIB director. Alexander Ainin has been named the new Director, Boris dePheffel will assume the Deputy Director's position.

[Ainin]

How much did you pay for your computer?

~$900-950?
It was a pretty good deal considering all the snazzy things that came with it (touchscreen, 23 inch monitor, 8GB RAM, i5 processor, DVD player, etc.).

And I already addressed the "fake" apps point that Divair made.

Meanwhile, there's 142,000 actual apps on the Windows Store.

I also got Civ5 for free, it's a fun game. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a city-state to pillage.

(On an unrelated note, I find it sad new ultrabooks tend to lack DVD players)

[Divair]

How much did you pay for your computer?

~$900-950?
It was a pretty good deal considering all the snazzy things that came with it (touchscreen, 23 inch monitor, 8GB RAM, i5 processor, DVD player, etc.).

And I already addressed the "fake" apps point that Divair made.

Meanwhile, there's 142,000 actual apps on the Windows Store.

I also got Civ5 for free, it's a fun game. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a city-state to pillage.

(On an unrelated note, I find it sad new ultrabooks tend to lack DVD players)

DVD's are dying off. They're the new floppy drives.

[Belmaria]

Nowhere near as sophisticated as Office. OneNote is the best note-taking app. Word is the most advanced word processor. PowerPoint is the best app to make presentations. Don't even get me started on Excel.

Google Docs does everything that most people need to do in office, and it has seamlessly integrated cloud storage.

Complete version, of course.

So all Windows devices come with Office bundled in for free, then?

I'm perfectly aware of the Chrome app store, I use it frequently. It's mostly nonsense. Go look at the Windows app store if you want to find proper apps. We're talking about stuff like Facebook, Twitter clients, Reddit clients, news clients, painting apps, note-taking apps, radio apps, e-readers, sports apps, etcetc. Quite literally hundreds of thousands of apps.

All of those are available on the Chrome Web Store as well...

And it's not full of "hundreds of thousands of apps" as you put it. As Ainin just said, it has 142,000 apps.

[Belmaria]

How much did you pay for your computer?

~$900-950?

That's probably why then. For $200 you get an amazing amount of goodies with a Chromebook.

[Divair]

Google Docs does everything that most people need to do in office,

As someone who works with both education institutes and enterprises, no, it really doesn't. There's a reason its presence is mostly consumer-oriented, not education or business oriented.

and it has seamlessly integrated cloud storage.

So does Office in the form of OneDrive.

So all Windows devices come with Office bundled in for free, then?

Most do, yes. Both of mine did, although I have an Office 365 subscription of top of that.

And it's not full of "hundreds of thousands of apps" as you put it. As Ainin just said, it has 142,000 apps.

142k apps over the course of a year. Very, very impressive. It'll snowball from here.

[Ainin]

~$900-950?

That's probably why then. For $200 you get an amazing amount of goodies with a Chromebook.

This is a desktop computer.

I don't want a browser in a can.

[Belmaria]

As someone who works with both education institutes and enterprises, no, it really doesn't. There's a reason its presence is mostly consumer-oriented, not education or business oriented.

Please explain.

So does Office in the form of OneDrive.

And I presume you have to pay for that?

Most do, yes. Both of mine did, although I have an Office 365 subscription of top of that.

But not all? And how much did you pay for your devices? How many low-end Windows devices have MS Office bundled for free?

And it's not full of "hundreds of thousands of apps" as you put it. As Ainin just said, it has 142,000 apps.

142k apps over the course of a year. Very, very impressive. It'll snowball from here.[/quote]
A very similar effect is taking place on Chrome OS. But that still doesn't change the fact that Chrome OS has a lot of great apps just like Windows does.

[Belmaria]

That's probably why then. For $200 you get an amazing amount of goodies with a Chromebook.

This is a desktop computer.

I don't want a browser in a can.

For a desktop, Windows would obviously be better than Chrome OS. Chrome OS is a mobile OS.

[Ainin]

For a desktop, Windows would obviously be better than Chrome OS. Chrome OS is a mobile OS.

Furthermore, if Chrome is a mobile OS, what's it doing on a laptop?

[Regnum Dominae]

Windows Master Race rules all.

[Belmaria]

For a desktop, Windows would obviously be better than Chrome OS. Chrome OS is a mobile OS.

Furthermore, if Chrome is a mobile OS, what's it doing on a laptop?

The Chomebox is a lightweight thin client, obviously. What kind of question is that? And Chromebooks are technically mobile devices because they're very similar to tablets. Most Chromebooks have 3G/4G and weight less than 1.5 kilograms.

[Oneracon]

Why is this discussion happening here, exactly?

[Divair]

Please explain.

Google Docs works fine if you're some random consumer that needs to settle for something. If you're looking for the absolute best, though (and most businesses and educational institutes are), Office is what dominates the industry. It's simply far more sophisticated than any alternative.

And I presume you have to pay for that?

For OneDrive? No. I haven't paid a cent and I have over 250GB of space on it.

But not all?

I can't remember any off the top of my head that don't, but I'm not taking a risk by making such a claim.

And how much did you pay for your devices?

Depends on the device. I have a laptop, a Surface, a desktop, and two Windows Phones.

How many low-end Windows devices have MS Office bundled for free?

I cannot recall one that doesn't.

A very similar effect is taking place on Chrome OS. But that still doesn't change the fact that Chrome OS has a lot of great apps just like Windows does.

You do know you can just download Chrome OS in its entirety on Windows, right?
http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/14/chrome-32-stable/

[The Union of the West]

Why is this discussion happening here, exactly?

Good question.

[Ainin]

Windows Master Race rules all.

:3

[Belmaria]

Google Docs works fine if you're some random consumer that needs to settle for something. If you're looking for the absolute best, though (and most businesses and educational institutes are), Office is what dominates the industry. It's simply far more sophisticated than any alternative.

You still haven't told me what is so bad about Google Drive. Name specifics.

For OneDrive? No. I haven't paid a cent and I have over 250GB of space on it.

I presume that came bundled with your device? How much did you pay for your device?

Depends on the device. I have a laptop, a Surface, a desktop, and two Windows Phones.

Could you list the prices?

You do know you can just download Chrome OS in its entirety on Windows, right?
http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/14/chrome-32-stable/

Actually, you can't. Chrome OS has an easier update process, better security, less energy/resource usage, a faster boot time, and comes shipped on devices with lower prices than most Windows devices (with the exception of the Pixel, which is more of a dev laptop than a consumer laptop).