NSG Senate Lobby: Bread, Circuses and Automatic Weapons

[New Zepuha]

Not the point Costa, if they are that targeted, it's only a matter of time before it happens.

[Costa Fierro]

So that means we should just get rid of protection while inside vehicles?

No. I'm saying that arguing for APC's when there's already legal vehicles with just as good protection from ballistic rounds as an APC is stupid. The fact that most senators are shot outside of their vehicles is irrelevant.

[Glasgia]

I've never seen serial killers get stabbed, in fact I've never knowingly seen a serial killer in my life. Just an example of when someone might try and use the round.

What I have seen is a fair few knife fights in the street. Most people fight like, well, people but some nutters just keep going.

If someone's broken into your house and is still intent on harming you, despite the fact you're holding a gun, then they're not going down easily.

[Belmaria]

Next thing I know, we'll be hearing about RPG attacks on SUVs and shit.

Is there any fucking way all this RP lunacy, I dunno..., stop?

Exactly. This RP isn't like the real world. In Aurentina, crime is a serious problem and heavily-armed criminals roam the streets. People need a way to protect themselves, especially if they are high-valued targets.

So that means we should just get rid of protection while inside vehicles?

No. I'm saying that arguing for APC's when there's already legal vehicles with just as good protection from ballistic rounds as an APC is stupid. The fact that most senators are shot outside of their vehicles is irrelevant.

Armored SUVs don't offer the same protection against bombs and explosives as APCs do.

[New Zepuha]

Next thing I know, we'll be hearing about RPG attacks on SUVs and shit.

Is there any fucking way all this RP lunacy, I dunno..., stop?

Is the any way, I dunno.... you'll stop being a buzzkill?

[Oneracon]

Next thing I know, we'll be hearing about RPG attacks on SUVs and shit.

Is there any fucking way all this RP lunacy, I dunno..., stop?

Exactly. This RP isn't like the real world. In Aurentina, crime is a serious problem and heavily-armed criminals roam the streets. People need a way to protect themselves, especially if they are high-valued targets.

Land mines are a stretch.

[East Ormania]

Next thing I know, we'll be hearing about RPG attacks on SUVs and shit.

Is there any fucking way all this RP lunacy, I dunno..., stop?

Is the any way, I dunno.... you'll stop being a buzzkill?

This has made the Police accounts have a reason to exist. Without the Crime-RPing, AUrentina's crimes would be merely a statistic, and the Security sector would be neglected.
Furthermore, it has made the Senate something a little more enjoyable.

[Costa Fierro]

Not the point Costa, if they are that targeted, it's only a matter of time before it happens.

So don't RP to have them targeted. If someone wants someone dead, they're going to kill them anyway so arguing for an APC when you're more likely to take a bullet to the head than anything else is stupid. People should just accept the law and move on.

Next thing I know, we'll be hearing about RPG attacks on SUVs and shit.

Is there any fucking way all this RP lunacy, I dunno..., stop?

People could just simply stop and think "it this necessary"? But I doubt most would, as generally turning things into massive clusterfucks that are retconned because they become too ridiculous is haute couture in the NSG Senate.

Makes me wonder why I'm still here really.

[Belmaria]

Exactly. This RP isn't like the real world. In Aurentina, crime is a serious problem and heavily-armed criminals roam the streets. People need a way to protect themselves, especially if they are high-valued targets.

Land mines are a stretch.

But I wouldn't put it past the criminal elements in Aurentina to use some form of explosive devices.

[The Liberated Territories]

What is this Freedom Alliance I keep hearing about?

The Freedom Coalition merged months ago.

[Costa Fierro]

But I wouldn't put it past the criminal elements in Aurentina to use some form of explosive devices.

Look, let's be honest. You're not a high value member of the government. You don't need an APC for that reason. You can have an armoured car if you want and that is totally fine (provided of course it's registered like every other road legal motor vehicle). But you don't need an APC. That is final.

Accept it and move on. I'm not going to discuss this any further.

[Belmaria]

But I wouldn't put it past the criminal elements in Aurentina to use some form of explosive devices.

Look, let's be honest. You're not a high value member of the government. You don't need an APC for that reason. You can have an armoured car if you want and that is totally fine (provided of course it's registered like every other road legal motor vehicle). But you don't need an APC. That is final.

Accept it and move on. I'm not going to discuss this any further.

That obnoxious attitude of yours is getting really annoying. You talk about this issue like you are the ultimate authority on it. You have no more authority on this issue than me, and it's about time you learned how to show your colleagues some damn respect.

You love to cherry pick things. That picture you have there is from a war zone, so of course it's going to be more easily destroyed. If you are surrounded by enemy tanks and RPGs it's only a matter of time. Plus it looks kind of old so the protection gradient is probably low.

And either way, if APCs are ineffective against bombs, what makes you think armored SUVs are going to be effective against them? And for that matter why should you worry? If an APC is as ineffective as you claim it to be, why should it be illegal? Your whole argument thus far (besides "I don't care") has been that an APC is hard to take out, but you just contradicted yourself with your last post, claiming that it is in fact very easy to take out. So I'm confused as to what you are trying to say.

[The Nihilistic view]

Well Costa, the VP and a fellow senator were shot at the same time. And I think 5 have died so far?

Then there is the mafia, and the revolutionaries blowing shit up. The Revolutionaries especially would be open to using landmines.

Yeah

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[The Nihilistic view]

But I wouldn't put it past the criminal elements in Aurentina to use some form of explosive devices.

Look, let's be honest. You're not a high value member of the government. You don't need an APC for that reason. You can have an armoured car if you want and that is totally fine (provided of course it's registered like every other road legal motor vehicle). But you don't need an APC. That is final.

Accept it and move on. I'm not going to discuss this any further.

Maybe you should accept that there are other views out there other than your own. Broaden your horizons and enrich your life.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Bullet's bullshit. Won't kill a man any easier than a .22 round or buckshot. You'll either get the bullet bouncing off bones and tearing apart organs or a massive, bloody, gaping surface wound, respectively, and both will stop a man or end a fight just as well as that commercialised little thing.

It takes more to stop someone than you'd think, once they've got adrenaline in them. I've seen guys, sometimes on drugs, fight through twenty or so stab wounds. Of course, whether the bullet actually works better than its competitors is a different issue. I'd guess that something than large, especially an expanding bullet, is likely to have a big impact but little damage beyond. It's unlikely to penetrate too far if it's heavy and therefore it becomes a minor annoyance to the drugged up serial killer bearing down on you.

Notice the "just as well as that commercialised little thing." I'm not suggesting one bullet would stop a tweaking killer on an adrenaline rush, but it would probably stop your average home intruder. Just as well or better than the R.I.P.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

This is a different issue. I fail to see why APCs should be illegal as long as they don't have mounted weapons.

Because it is incredibly incredibly easy to turn them into armed APCs. Like, it would take half an hour's tinkering to get you a .50 on an armoured body to fuck up the Gendarmerie. Like the Mafia did.

Important to note that we don't just run around with a ton of military equipment. The average mafia team is two Nissans with bulletproof windows and metal bumpers, eight men (including two drivers), armed with outdated British SMGs and/or HK USP pistols.

[Regnum Dominae]

Why would civilians ever need these? And why the hell should they be allowed to own them?

Seriously, I support the right to keep and bear arms, but this is getting beyond ridiculous.

[Geilinor]

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Why would civilians ever need these? And why the hell should they be allowed to own them?

They wouldn't and they shouldn't.

[The Nihilistic view]

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Why would civilians ever need these? And why the hell should they be allowed to own them?

Because the only thing that can stop a bad guy with an APC, is a good guy with an APC.


Amirite?

[Corenea]

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Why would civilians ever need these? And why the hell should they be allowed to own them?

Because the only thing that can stop a bad guy with an APC, is a good guy with an APC.


Amirite?

APC is a weapon of war, they do not belong in the streets.

[Regnum Dominae]

I feel like we're soon going to be back to where we were six months ago with all the "why can't I have a 1000mm cannon?" "why am I not allowed to shoot down an airplane with a MANPADS from 100 km away?" "why am I not allowed to have a paramilitary force larger and better armed than the Aurentine military?" sort of nonsense.

[Regnum Dominae]

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Why would civilians ever need these? And why the hell should they be allowed to own them?

Because the only thing that can stop a bad guy with an APC, is a good guy with an APC.


Amirite?

Yep. Remember, the right to keep and bear arms has no limits... not even APC's, tanks, ICBMs, or nukes. *nods*

[Corenea]

I feel like we're soon going to be back to where we were six months ago with all the "why can't I have a 1000mm cannon?" "why am I not allowed to shoot down an airplane with a MANPADS from 100 km away?" "why am I not allowed to have a paramilitary force larger and better armed than the Aurentine military?" sort of nonsense.

Hey, my private security are in Roman legionaire armor and have a bat and a shield. Is that better armed than the police and the military?

[Regnum Dominae]

I feel like we're soon going to be back to where we were six months ago with all the "why can't I have a 1000mm cannon?" "why am I not allowed to shoot down an airplane with a MANPADS from 100 km away?" "why am I not allowed to have a paramilitary force larger and better armed than the Aurentine military?" sort of nonsense.

Hey, my private security are in Roman legionaire armor and have a bat and a shield. Is that better armed than the police and the military?

No, I'm talking stuff like tanks, fighter aircraft, submarines, that sort of thing, all of which I think the paramilitaries claimed to have at some point.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Hey, my private security are in Roman legionaire armor and have a bat and a shield. Is that better armed than the police and the military?

No, I'm talking stuff like tanks, fighter aircraft, submarines, that sort of thing, all of which I think the paramilitaries claimed to have at some point.

It took a while to sort of realism.