National Freedom Coalition [NSG SENATE]

[Costa Fierro]

Cooking oils come from crops............................

Probably should have added the word recycling in it.

Seriously how much waste cooking oil is there? no what will happen is it will encourage the growing of energy crops.

A surprising amount. Article says about 55,000 litres a week or something like that according to the article.

[Belmaria]

Cooking oils come from crops............................

Probably should have added the word recycling in it.

Seriously how much waste cooking oil is there? no what will happen is it will encourage the growing of energy crops.

A surprising amount. Article says about 55,000 litres a week or something like that according to the article.

That's not enough cooking oil to make ethanol for everyone though. That's not even enough to make ethanol for all the government vehicles we have.

[The Nihilistic view]

Cooking oils come from crops............................

Probably should have added the word recycling in it.

Seriously how much waste cooking oil is there? no what will happen is it will encourage the growing of energy crops.

A surprising amount. Article says about 55,000 litres a week or something like that according to the article.

No the article says 25,000 to 30,000 + 5,000-10,000. That's 30,000-40,000.

Hard to take you seriously when you post such false numbers supposedly from an article you yourself linked.

[Costa Fierro]

That's not enough cooking oil to make ethanol for everyone though. That's not even enough to make ethanol for all the government vehicles we have.

I'm aware of this. But because of this, I think either it should be taxed or it should be exempted. Because it's a fuel, it should be exempt in accordance with the propose law.

That's not my basis, the basis is on food production and effects on increase in food price's.

Petrol and diesel affect food prices also. You do realize this, don't you? Increases in petrol or diesel (from transport and harvesting as well as other aspects in the field-to-kitchen table process) all have an effect on how much is charged for food.

Others have said it actually does more harm than other fossil fuels.

Except that tests have shown that it produces lower amounts of some greenhouse gases and similar amounts of others, plus an increased output of formaldahyde (or however you spell the damn thing).

I am not taxing ethanol. The tax is already there.

So exempt it then. Personally I would like it if you didn't exempt such fuels from taxes (because how else is the government going to fund transport projects).

[The Nihilistic view]

That's not enough cooking oil to make ethanol for everyone though. That's not even enough to make ethanol for all the government vehicles we have.

I'm aware of this. But because of this, I think either it should be taxed or it should be exempted. Because it's a fuel, it should be exempt in accordance with the propose law.

That's not my basis, the basis is on food production and effects on increase in food price's.

Petrol and diesel affect food prices also. You do realize this, don't you? Increases in petrol or diesel (from transport and harvesting as well as other aspects in the field-to-kitchen table process) all have an effect on how much is charged for food.

Others have said it actually does more harm than other fossil fuels.

Except that tests have shown that it produces lower amounts of some greenhouse gases and similar amounts of others, plus an increased output of formaldahyde (or however you spell the damn thing).

I am not taxing ethanol. The tax is already there.

So exempt it then. Personally I would like it if you didn't exempt such fuels from taxes (because how else is the government going to fund transport projects).

We have a nice surplus going and this is reducing peoples bills. I know you don't care about anything but some of us do.

[The Nihilistic view]

Probably should have added the word recycling in it.



A surprising amount. Article says about 55,000 litres a week or something like that according to the article.

That's not enough cooking oil to make ethanol for everyone though. That's not even enough to make ethanol for all the government vehicles we have.

It's about enough for around 1000 family cars a week at a tank each. It's nothing.

[Costa Fierro]

It's about enough for around 1000 family cars a week at a tank each. It's nothing.

It is probably cheaper to make and refine than petrol and diesel.

We have a nice surplus going and this is reducing peoples bills. I know you don't care about anything but some of us do.

And? I'm just saying I disagree with the idea and the arguments presented for keeping ethanol taxed but exempting other fuels.

[The Nihilistic view]

That's not enough cooking oil to make ethanol for everyone though. That's not even enough to make ethanol for all the government vehicles we have.

I'm aware of this. But because of this, I think either it should be taxed or it should be exempted. Because it's a fuel, it should be exempt in accordance with the propose law.

That's not my basis, the basis is on food production and effects on increase in food price's.

Petrol and diesel affect food prices also. You do realize this, don't you? Increases in petrol or diesel(from transport and harvesting as well as other aspects in the field-to-kitchen table process) all have an effect on how much is charged for food.

Others have said it actually does more harm than other fossil fuels.

Except that tests have shown that it produces lower amounts of some greenhouse gases and similar amounts of others, plus an increased output of formaldahyde (or however you spell the damn thing).

I am not taxing ethanol. The tax is already there.

So exempt it then. Personally I would like it if you didn't exempt such fuels from taxes (because how else is the government going to fund transport projects).

So taking away a tax from the red bits = possible cheaper food.

Your doing a good job of arguing my point for me.

[Belmaria]

It's about enough for around 1000 family cars a week at a tank each. It's nothing.

It is probably cheaper to make and refine than petrol and diesel.

Source? From the studies I've read, Ethanol is more expensive than regular gasoline.

[The Nihilistic view]

It is probably cheaper to make and refine than petrol and diesel.

Source? From the studies I've read, Ethanol is more expensive than regular gasoline.

It's the massive amounts of tax on oil, fuel and sales tax that makes fuel so expencive, not it's production cost's. In the UK around 60% of the cost of petrol is tax, and across Europe no nation has less than 40% of the price of a liter of petrol as tax.

[The Nihilistic view]

It's about enough for around 1000 family cars a week at a tank each. It's nothing.

It is probably cheaper to make and refine than petrol and diesel.

We have a nice surplus going and this is reducing peoples bills. I know you don't care about anything but some of us do.

And? I'm just saying I disagree with the idea and the arguments presented for keeping ethanol taxed but exempting other fuels.

I don't care.

[The Nihilistic view]

Fair Taxation Act

Category: Business and Finance | Urgency: Paramount | Author: Lord Johnson (TNV-ALM| Sponsors: Jonathon Smith (Belmaria-LP), Jennifer Broflovski Coren (Corenea-RP), Jän Stuaart (TLT-LP), Edward von Engels ( Zurkerx-LP)

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Due to the regressive nature of Value Added Tax (VAT) and that the products listed below make up a large part of yearly household expenditure, Value Added Tax on these products represents a severe social ill. The benefit to to ordinary hard working families of removing this 10% tax could be as much as £400 annually. Hard pressed Small businesses, the lifeblood of any nation also stand to gain. Therefore this bill mandates that the following products be re-classified as Essential good's as opposed to their current status as secondary goods in the 2013 Aurentine Budget Proposal.

Article 1-1

The following goods and services listed in Article 1-2 and 1-3 are to be re-classified as Essential goods and amends the 2013 Aurentine Budget Proposal to repeal the following from said act; all consumer-targeted forms of gas and oil for commercial and fleet driving from the Secondary Goods and Services clause.

Article 1-2

The following goods are to be classified as essential Goods and are VAT exempt;

• Liquefied petroleum gas (LPG)
• Butane
• Petrol - all forms, also known as Gasoline
• Jet fuel
• Kerosene
• Fuel oil
• Diesel fuel
• Methane
• Electricity
• Ethane
• Propane
• Pentane
• Cooking oil's
• Batteries - any electrochemical cell that stores chemical energy and when used converts the stored energy into electrical energy. This includes both Primary and Secondary forms.
• Petroleum-This umbrella term includes all types of unprocessed crude oil and petroleum products that are made up of refined crude oil
• Natural Gas
• Shale Gas
• Town Gas
• Coal and all refined coal products such as Refined Coal, Coke, and liquefied Coal.
• Wood sold as a combustible fuel products, including Charcoal.
• Liquid Hydrogen

Article 1-3

Any service related to providing the goods above to both households or businesses are to be classified as essential services. Example's include but are not limited to, piping gas to the home and or commercial property, bringing electricity to the home and or commercial property, the extraction, refinement or production of the above goods and the importing or exporting of the goods listed Article 1-2.

Updated again.

[New Zepuha]

Sponsored.

[Maklohi Vai]

Nihil, you're probably going to want to fix the grammar and spelling on that before you submit it. I'm still undecided on my support of the content.

[The Nihilistic view]

Nihil, you're probably going to want to fix the grammar and spelling on that before you submit it. I'm still undecided on my support of the content.

I could post a meme here..........................

[Maklohi Vai]

Nihil, you're probably going to want to fix the grammar and spelling on that before you submit it. I'm still undecided on my support of the content.

I could post a meme here..........................

Or you could proofread your bills before you post them. But yes, go ahead and post the meme.

[Regnum Dominae]

How is the NFC going to react to Hippo's new extreme-right party?

[New Zepuha]

I could post a meme here..........................

Or you could proofread your bills before you post them. But yes, go ahead and post the meme.

Oh snap.

Oh and Hippo got arrested. Or is about to be.

[Belmaria]

Fair Taxation Act

Category: Business and Finance | Urgency: Paramount | Author: Lord Johnson (TNV-ALM| Sponsors: Jonathon Smith (Belmaria-LP), Jennifer Broflovski Coren (Corenea-RP), Jän Stuaart (TLT-LP), Edward von Engels ( Zurkerx-LP)

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Due to the regressive nature of Value Added Tax (VAT) and the fact that the products listed below make up a large part of annual household expenditure, Value Added Tax on these products represents a severe social ill. The benefit of removing this 10% tax to ordinary hard working families could amount to as much as £400 annually. Hard pressed small businesses, the lifeblood of our nation, also stand to gain. Therefore this bill mandates that the following products be re-classified as essential goods, as opposed to their current status as secondary goods in the 2013 Aurentine Budget Proposal.

Article 1-1

The following goods and services listed in Article 1-2 and 1-3 are to be re-classified as Essential goods. The 2013 Aurentine Budget Proposal shall be amended to repeal the following from said act: all consumer-targeted forms of gas and oil for commercial and fleet driving in the Secondary Goods and Services clause.

Article 1-2

The following goods are to be classified as essential Goods by law, and are VAT exempt;

• Liquefied petroleum gas (LPG)
• Butane
• Petrol - all forms, also known as Gasoline
• Jet fuel
• Kerosene
• Fuel oil
• Diesel fuel
• Methane
• Electricity
• Ethane
• Propane
• Pentane
• Cooking oils
• Batteries - any electrochemical cell that stores chemical energy and converts the stored energy into electrical energy. This includes both primary and secondary forms.
• Petroleum-This umbrella term includes all types of unprocessed crude oil and petroleum products that are made up of refined crude oil
• Natural Gas
• Shale Gas
• Town Gas
• Coal and all refined coal products such as refined coal, coke, and liquefied coal.
• Wood sold as a combustible fuel product, including charcoal.
• Liquid Hydrogen

Article 1-3

Any services related to providing the goods above to either households, businesses or both are to be classified as essential services. Examples include but are not limited to: Piping gas to the home and or commercial property, porting electricity to the home and/or commercial property, the extraction/refinement/production of the above goods, and the importing or exporting of the goods listed in Article 1-2.

Fixed the grammar

I could post a meme here..........................

Or you could proofread your bills before you post them. But yes, go ahead and post the meme.

I think I speak for most people when I say be polite or leave.

How is the NFC going to react to Hippo's new extreme-right party?

Statement from the Education Ministry: We will actively oppose his party in our curriculum by teaching children at a young age that his views are evil. (joke, obviously)

[The Nihilistic view]

I could post a meme here..........................

Or you could proofread your bills before you post them. But yes, go ahead and post the meme.

Or you could read that all the way through my posts I have said it's still being put together and at no point is it the finished article as I see it. The finished article comes when I post it in the coffee shop.

[Celritannia]

Question, do we have any current coastal defences/coastal management? If not, do we have enough money to begin the construction of coastal defences?

Edit: because coastal fortifications are still used today, aren't they?

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Question, do we have any current coastal defences? If not, do we have enough money to begin the construction of coastal defences?

Name one modern country that has coastal defenses?
And please explain what do you mean under it? Bunkers or what.

[Belmaria]

Question, do we have any current coastal defences? If not, do we have enough money to begin the construction of coastal defences?

Name one modern country that has coastal defenses.

Pretty much every non-landlocked country in the world with the money to have coastal defenses. It can be in the form of coastal naval patrols, or naval bases along the coast, etc.

[Celritannia]

Question, do we have any current coastal defences? If not, do we have enough money to begin the construction of coastal defences?

Name one modern country that has coastal defenses?
And please explain what do you mean under it? Bunkers or what.

The United Kingdom
Well that all depends on which part of the coast you are on. Different shorelines require different defences.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Name one modern country that has coastal defenses.

Pretty much every non-landlocked country in the world with the money to have coastal defenses. It can be in the form of coastal naval patrols, or naval bases along the coast, etc.

That's what I asked what kind. As coastal defenses are normally http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastal_de ... tification like it says here fortifications