National Freedom Coalition [NSG SENATE]

[The Nihilistic view]

That's guy's.

Can you think of any types of commercial fuel or types of power I have forgotten about?



OOOOHH -Batteries, stick them in.

[The Nihilistic view]

I am no economist, but even from my ignorant viewpoint it looks good. Sponsored.

Edit: I don't know why people need jet fuel, however.

Brings down the cost of air travel thus making holidays, business trips or vists to family more affordable.


EDIT: Some of the things on the list are there because they are component part of or used in the manufacturing process of other secondary goods, so if you reduce the cost of the inputs the cost of the output can also decrease in a competitive market economy such as ours.

[Zurkerx]

Fair Taxation Act

Category: Business and Finance | Urgency: Paramount | Author: Lord Johnson (TNV)| Sponsors:

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Due to the regressive nature of Value Added Tax (VAT) and that the products listed below make up a large part of yearly household expenditure, Value Added Tax on these products represents a severe social ill. The benefit to to ordinary hard working families of removing this 10% tax could be as much as £400 annually. Hard pressed Small businesses, the lifeblood of any nation also stand to gain. Therefore this bill mandates that the following products be re-classified as Essential good's as opposed to their current status as secondary goods in the 2013 Aurentine Budget Proposal.

Article 1-1

The following goods and services listed in Article 1-2 are to be re-classified as Essential goods and amends the 2013 Aurentine Budget Proposal to repeal the following from said act; all consumer-targeted forms of gas and oil for commercial and fleet driving from the Secondary Goods and Services clause.

Article 1-2

The following goods and services are to be classified as essential goods and services and VAT exempt;

• Liquefied petroleum gas (LPG)
• Butane
• Petrol - all forms, also known as Gasoline
• Jet fuel
• Kerosene
• Fuel oil
• Diesel fuel
• Methane
• Electricity
• Ethane
• Propane
• Pentane
• Cooking oil's
• Batteries - any electrochemical cell that stores chemical energy and when used converts the stored energy into electrical energy. This includes both Primary and Secondary forms.

In the bill is going to be various types of fuel, gas and electric. But what I am post here is to ask whether this bill can gain official presidential and government support as opposed to the usual private members bills we usually see in the senate. Are most people supportive of this?

It's not quite finished yet but I hope you all see this as how the NFC government can take the lead on helping hard pressed families in the current economic situation and bring down the cost of living effectively, immediately for everyone and helping those on low incomes most.

I'll sponsor this. What about natural gas? Unless it is under a different term, that should be added.

[The Nihilistic view]

I had just included it's refined parts but including it would make doubly sure it's exempt. I could do the same for crude and petroleum too.

[Celritannia]

Shouldn't charities be exempt from VAT?

[The Nihilistic view]

Fair Taxation Act

Category: Business and Finance | Urgency: Paramount | Author: Lord Johnson (TNV-ALM| Sponsors: Jonathon Smith (Belmaria-LP), Jennifer Broflovski Coren (Corenea-RP), Jän Stuaart (TLT-LP), Edward von Engels ( Zurkerx-LP)

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Due to the regressive nature of Value Added Tax (VAT) and that the products listed below make up a large part of yearly household expenditure, Value Added Tax on these products represents a severe social ill. The benefit to to ordinary hard working families of removing this 10% tax could be as much as £400 annually. Hard pressed Small businesses, the lifeblood of any nation also stand to gain. Therefore this bill mandates that the following products be re-classified as Essential good's as opposed to their current status as secondary goods in the 2013 Aurentine Budget Proposal.

Article 1-1

The following goods and services listed in Article 1-2 and 1-3 are to be re-classified as Essential goods and amends the 2013 Aurentine Budget Proposal to repeal the following from said act; all consumer-targeted forms of gas and oil for commercial and fleet driving from the Secondary Goods and Services clause.

Article 1-2

The following goods are to be classified as essential services and VAT exempt;

• Liquefied petroleum gas (LPG)
• Butane
• Petrol - all forms, also known as Gasoline
• Jet fuel
• Kerosene
• Fuel oil
• Diesel fuel
• Methane
• Electricity
• Ethane
• Propane
• Pentane
• Cooking oil's
• Batteries - any electrochemical cell that stores chemical energy and when used converts the stored energy into electrical energy. This includes both Primary and Secondary forms.
• Petroleum-This umbrella term includes all types of unprocessed crude oil and petroleum products that are made up of refined crude oil
• Natural Gas
• Shale Gas
• Town Gas

Article 1-3

Any service related to providing the goods above to both households or businesses are to be classified as essential services. Example's include but are not limited to, piping gas to the home and or commercial property, bringing electricity to the home and or commercial property, the extraction, refinement or production of the above goods and the importing or exporting of the goods listed Article 1-2.

[Dangelia]

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[The Nihilistic view]

Shouldn't charities be exempt from VAT?

And that relates to a bill about fuel and energy how?

[Belmaria]

Shouldn't charities be exempt from VAT?

Aren't charities already exempt from taxation?

[Celritannia]

Shouldn't charities be exempt from VAT?

Aren't charities already exempt from taxation?

I'm not sure. I shall look through the Archive.

[Zurkerx]

How about Biogas? It is a type of gas so...

Wait a second. I just saw methane. Never mind.

[The Nihilistic view]

How about Biogas? It is a type of gas so...

I would rather not encourage the use of Biogas as it's often made from energy crops. The growing use of food crops has increased world food prices and in parts of the world caused localised food shortages as farmers grow energy crops as opposed to food due to selling for a higher price to the west. Whilst we don't have legislation that limit's biogas only to be legal to be produced by waste products I don't want to encourage it's use. I don't believe energy crops are a responsible idea from developed nations due to the negative impact they can have on undeveloped nations.

[The Nihilistic view]

I should include hydrogen and other such things now I think about it.

[Costa Fierro]

That's guy's.

Can you think of any types of commercial fuel or types of power I have forgotten about?



OOOOHH -Batteries, stick them in.

Ethanol?

[Belmaria]

That's guy's.

Can you think of any types of commercial fuel or types of power I have forgotten about?



OOOOHH -Batteries, stick them in.

Ethanol?

I am opposed to giving tax breaks to Ethanol users, as it is harmful for the environment.

[Oneracon]

Ethanol?

I am opposed to giving tax breaks to Ethanol users, as it is harmful for the environment.

Don't forget also contributing to global food insecurity by driving up the prices of certain crops.

[Belmaria]

I am opposed to giving tax breaks to Ethanol users, as it is harmful for the environment.

Don't forget also contributing to global food insecurity by driving up the prices of certain crops.

Indeed. We could do so much more with corn if we would actually use it for food instead of fuel.

[The Nihilistic view]

That's guy's.

Can you think of any types of commercial fuel or types of power I have forgotten about?



OOOOHH -Batteries, stick them in.

Ethanol?

See post about Biogas. We are trying to reduce the cost of living not transfer it to a different product. i.e food.

[Oneracon]

Don't forget also contributing to global food insecurity by driving up the prices of certain crops.

Indeed. We could do so much more with corn if we would actually use it for food instead of fuel.

Ethanol is essentially greenwashing, it has all the same harmful effects on the environment as petroleum-derived fuels... with the added social cost of increasing food insecurity (especially in the developing world).

It is not something that should be anywhere close to the Aurentine fuel mixture, ethanol helps nobody but corporate interests like Cargill and Monsanto.

[Costa Fierro]

See post about Biogas. We are trying to reduce the cost of living not transfer it to a different product. i.e food.

Ethanol doesn't need to be produced using fuel crops. It can be produced from hydrocarbons using things such as natural gas and from unused cooking oil or other kitchen oils. There's a firm that runs taxis in London on unused or waste cooking oil from takeaway shops. Methanol isn't mentioned either and is produced from wood, although modern equivalents are processed industrially from carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and hydrogen.

Also, why are you exempting petrochemicals from being taxed? You do realize what those kinds of taxes are used for, right?

[The Nihilistic view]

Indeed. We could do so much more with corn if we would actually use it for food instead of fuel.

Ethanol is essentially greenwashing, it has all the same harmful effects on the environment as petroleum-derived fuels... with the added social cost of increasing food insecurity (especially in the developing world).

It is not something that should be anywhere close to the Aurentine fuel mixture, ethanol helps nobody but corporate interests like Cargill and Monsanto.

No I agree, fossil fuels are a necessary ill right now as we develop green energy and fuels with no ecological, environmental and pollution. What are no an option are cons like that. Both fuel and food prices need to come down whilst going green as well. Ethanol is not the answer in fact one study I have seen said that if the entire US cropland was put to producing Ethanol it would only make up for 15% of US fuel usage and you still have to feed everyone.

The argument actually is should we increase tax on ethanol as a fuel?

[Costa Fierro]

The argument actually is should we increase tax on ethanol as a fuel?

If you're going to tax ethanol, tax petroleum and diesel also as it's hypocritical to not do so on an environmental basis.

[The Nihilistic view]

See post about Biogas. We are trying to reduce the cost of living not transfer it to a different product. i.e food.

Ethanol doesn't need to be produced using fuel crops. It can be produced from hydrocarbons using things such as natural gas and from unused cooking oil or other kitchen oils. There's a firm that runs taxis in London on unused or waste cooking oil from takeaway shops.

Cooking oils come from crops............................

Using natural gas does not do anything just extra cost involved for the same emissions (or probably more as there is an extra refinement process)

Again. The aim is to reduce the cost of living not increase it or encouraging more expensive production of products that do the same thing as others we have.

Seriously how much waste cooking oil is there? no what will happen is it will encourage the growing of energy crops.

[New Zepuha]

The argument actually is should we increase tax on ethanol as a fuel?

If you're going to tax ethanol, tax petroleum and diesel also as it's hypocritical to not do so on an environmental basis.

But they don't have an effect on food availability.

[The Nihilistic view]

The argument actually is should we increase tax on ethanol as a fuel?

If you're going to tax ethanol, tax petroleum and diesel also as it's hypocritical to not do so on an environmental basis.

That's not my basis, the basis is on food production and effects on increase in food price's. Read the posts from others instead of blindly charging in senator.

Others have said it actually does more harm than other fossil fuels.

I am not taxing ethanol. The tax is already there.