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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:50 pm

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Belmaria wrote:I was under the impression that you would be instituting your own policies. If you plan to uphold the coalition platform then I will vote for you.


I have discussed with the Lord President in the CMP HQ, to replace him as Minister of the Environment while he serves as Prime Minister. I am sure the Lord President can vouch that I am the most liberal and moderate members of the CMP :)

What are your positions on the environment? Do you support the Kyoto protocol?

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Belmaria wrote:I was under the impression that you would be instituting your own policies. If you plan to uphold the coalition platform then I will vote for you.

In practice, ministers more or less run their own ministries. The Prime Minister just appoints ministers already nominated by the party holding that ministry, and replaces inactive ministers if necessary. Beyond that they have little power, with most executive functions being vested in the presidency. I will monitor the cabinet for activity, dismiss inactive ministers, make a government thread and such, but the position doesn't really entail the ability to set individual policies.

So what are the duties and powers of the president?
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:53 pm

Bell you do not have control who will they put as minister in order to decide.
Same goes that you have no say what will me and nihil do with the budget as that is meddling with internal affairs of the ministry.
We take requests and moderate upon them.

About the budgets Nihil what do you think should we stick with the current budget pending revision?
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:55 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:In practice, ministers more or less run their own ministries. The Prime Minister just appoints ministers already nominated by the party holding that ministry, and replaces inactive ministers if necessary. Beyond that they have little power, with most executive functions being vested in the presidency. I will monitor the cabinet for activity, dismiss inactive ministers, make a government thread and such, but the position doesn't really entail the ability to set individual policies.

So what are the duties and powers of the president?

I believe the President appoints the Prime Minister, may veto legislation, appoints the Council of State and holds various reserve powers to be exercised in states of emergency. For specifics, you should read the Republican Executive Act II (I believe that's the current bill in force detailing the workings of the government).
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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:56 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Bell you do not have control who will they put as minister in order to decide.
Same goes that you have no say what will me and nihil do with the budget as that is meddling with internal affairs of the ministry.
We take requests and moderate upon them.

About the budgets Nihil what do you think should we stick with the current budget pending revision?

Wait, what? First you accuse me of running for a leadership position, which I am not. Then you accuse me of trying to control who gets appointed minister, which I am not (although I am a member of this coalition so I have a right to have my voice heard). And now you are accusing me of trying to control Nihil's budget... I don't even know where that last one came from.

For the last time, please take your crazy conspiracy theories elsewhere. You're starting to piss me off.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Bell you do not have control who will they put as minister in order to decide.
Same goes that you have no say what will me and nihil do with the budget as that is meddling with internal affairs of the ministry.
We take requests and moderate upon them.

About the budgets Nihil what do you think should we stick with the current budget pending revision?


Don't drag me into the argument. Why don't you just settle this with pistols at dawn?
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:59 pm

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Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Bell you do not have control who will they put as minister in order to decide.
Same goes that you have no say what will me and nihil do with the budget as that is meddling with internal affairs of the ministry.
We take requests and moderate upon them.

About the budgets Nihil what do you think should we stick with the current budget pending revision?

Wait, what? First you accuse me of running for a leadership position, which I am not. Then you accuse me of trying to control who gets appointed minister, which I am not (although I am a member of this coalition so I have a right to have my voice heard). And now you are accusing me of trying to control Nihil's budget... I don't even know where that last one came from.

For the last time, please take your crazy conspiracy theories elsewhere. You're starting to piss me off.


1. That was the saying. The second part about me and nihil is an example upon how you have no control over the actions of a central ministry and I took mine as an example.
And the last is a question for the specified person. Not connected with you.
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Postby New Zepuha » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:01 pm

Go settle your crap elsewhere you two, we don't want to hear it.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:01 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Belmaria wrote:So what are the duties and powers of the president?

I believe the President appoints the Prime Minister, may veto legislation, appoints the Council of State and holds various reserve powers to be exercised in states of emergency. For specifics, you should read the Republican Executive Act II (I believe that's the current bill in force detailing the workings of the government).


The original REA is back in force. The REA 2 that was drafted by bell was repealed. There are one or two changes in the reapeal that reinstated the REA 1 and that are the only changes to the original REA.
The council of state members are appointed by the VP and is chaired by the VP. It is an advisory body to the president.
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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:01 pm

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Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Bell you do not have control who will they put as minister in order to decide.
Same goes that you have no say what will me and nihil do with the budget as that is meddling with internal affairs of the ministry.
We take requests and moderate upon them.

About the budgets Nihil what do you think should we stick with the current budget pending revision?


Don't drag me into the argument. Why don't you just settle this with pistols at dawn?

If he doesn't leave me alone we just might. He keeps blindly accusing me of backstabbery with baseless suspicion. Seriously. What the hell man? What is your problem with me? (addressed to macedonia)
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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:04 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I believe the President appoints the Prime Minister, may veto legislation, appoints the Council of State and holds various reserve powers to be exercised in states of emergency. For specifics, you should read the Republican Executive Act II (I believe that's the current bill in force detailing the workings of the government).


The original REA is back in force. The REA 2 that was drafted by bell was repealed. There are one or two changes in the reapeal that reinstated the REA 1 and that are the only changes to the original REA.
The council of state members are appointed by the VP and is chaired by the VP. It is an advisory body to the president.

So no more recall elections? Fantastic.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:06 pm

1. unlike most i still remember how you back stabbed the right with you pulling out and giving the left the 60%+ majority. And remember how you were endlessly claiming you did not do anything against the contract.
2. When we were opposition your attempt to be the leader of the opposition despite having been explicitly said that Distruzio remains the leader of opposition.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:09 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
The original REA is back in force. The REA 2 that was drafted by bell was repealed. There are one or two changes in the reapeal that reinstated the REA 1 and that are the only changes to the original REA.
The council of state members are appointed by the VP and is chaired by the VP. It is an advisory body to the president.

So no more recall elections? Fantastic.


viewtopic.php?f=25&t=254861&p=17209205#p17209205
This is the reapeal. So check there. There is a way for a vote of no confidence as much as I know. Nihil as PTT can correct me if I am wrong.
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Postby New Zepuha » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:10 pm

Kam left the Senate, this calls for celebration.
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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:13 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:1. unlike most i still remember how you back stabbed the right with you pulling out and giving the left the 60%+ majority. And remember how you were endlessly claiming you did not do anything against the contract.
2. When we were opposition your attempt to be the leader of the opposition despite having been explicitly said that Distruzio remains the leader of opposition.

1. I did not give the left 60% of the vote. Plus, if I had dropped out and endorsed the NC candidate it would have been too late, and even if it wasn't too late it still would not have changed anything. I don't think you understand how elections work. When one side has a majority of votes, even if the other side is united, the other side will STILL have a majority. Britanno himself (the man I made the contractual agreement with) even said that I didn't violate the contract.

2. I tried to be leader for a short time, but conceded soon after I announced my intention because I saw that it was impossible. I then tried to get the NCP or Reform to hold the PM position because I felt that CMP had too much power in the coalition, holding two leadership positions and the PM position. Not only that, but the Libertarians weren't even in your coalition when it was decided that CMP would get the PM position. So we had no say in the matter, yet you still tried to force it down our throats. Yet you even went so far as to claim that I was trying to force my views down someone else's throat, when all I wanted was a second nomination discussion/vote that included the libertarians.

Do you not understand how things work around here, or do you just have a really bad memory?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:14 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Belmaria wrote:So no more recall elections? Fantastic.


viewtopic.php?f=25&t=254861&p=17209205#p17209205
This is the reapeal. So check there. There is a way for a vote of no confidence as much as I know. Nihil as PTT can correct me if I am wrong.


Stop trying to drag me into the fucking argument .

No more in the coalition thread or I will motion to censor both of you in this thread. If you want to have it out go set up a BEL V MGE thread. but no more here. I and others have had enough.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:15 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=254861&p=17209205#p17209205
This is the reapeal. So check there. There is a way for a vote of no confidence as much as I know. Nihil as PTT can correct me if I am wrong.


Stop trying to drag me into the fucking argument .

No more in the coalition thread or I will motion to censor both of you in this thread. If you want to have it out go set up a BEL V MGE thread. but no more here. I and others have had enough.

Agreed. I do not want this old argument to be dredged up after all this time. The past is the past.
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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:16 pm

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Stop trying to drag me into the fucking argument .

No more in the coalition thread or I will motion to censor both of you in this thread. If you want to have it out go set up a BEL V MGE thread. but no more here. I and others have had enough.

Agreed. I do not want this old argument to be dredged up after all this time. The past is the past.

I agree as well. We should just drop it.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:17 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=254861&p=17209205#p17209205
This is the reapeal. So check there. There is a way for a vote of no confidence as much as I know. Nihil as PTT can correct me if I am wrong.


Stop trying to drag me into the fucking argument .

No more in the coalition thread or I will motion to censor both of you in this thread. If you want to have it out go set up a BEL V MGE thread. but no more here. I and others have had enough.

Nihil read a bit... Not part of the argument. He asked about no recall votes and that was my answer.
You are the PtT and as such you are the one to correct about that answer if I am wrong.

I Tg him on the reasons what is what. About this after reading the act there is a motion of no confidence if there are 15 senators to sign it.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:26 pm

Belmaria wrote:What are your positions on the environment? Do you support the Kyoto protocol?


I do indeed support the Kyoto Protocol. I shall deliver a full speech if I am appointed Minister of the Environment.

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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:09 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Belmaria wrote:What are your positions on the environment? Do you support the Kyoto protocol?


I do indeed support the Kyoto Protocol. I shall deliver a full speech if I am appointed Minister of the Environment.

I disagree with you, but if you are appointed our minister I will support you.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:14 pm

Belmaria wrote:
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I do indeed support the Kyoto Protocol. I shall deliver a full speech if I am appointed Minister of the Environment.

I disagree with you, but if you are appointed our minister I will support you.


What my personal opinions are on something will not affect my duties.
However, I do wish to see an increase in public transport (mainly bus services) opting to use electric powered buses.

Is there even a piece of legislation on public transportation?

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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:16 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Belmaria wrote:I disagree with you, but if you are appointed our minister I will support you.


What my personal opinions are on something will not affect my duties.
However, I do wish to see an increase in public transport (mainly bus services) opting to use electric powered buses.

Is there even a piece of legislation on public transportation?

Electric buses which rely upon fossil fuel power plants are no cleaner than gasoline buses. However, a hydrogen bus system is something I could support. Or natural gas. Those are both cleaner than traditional fuels.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:24 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
What my personal opinions are on something will not affect my duties.
However, I do wish to see an increase in public transport (mainly bus services) opting to use electric powered buses.

Is there even a piece of legislation on public transportation?

Electric buses which rely upon fossil fuels are no cleaner than gasoline buses. However, a hydrogen bus system is something I could support. Or natural gas. Those are both cleaner than traditional fuels.


I would prefer hydrogen also, I was just unsure as to the possibility.
I also wish to grant lower income earners the chance to purchase and install Solar Panels, with a support of 20% to 60% (depending on their income) from the MotE.

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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:27 pm

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Belmaria wrote:Electric buses which rely upon fossil fuels are no cleaner than gasoline buses. However, a hydrogen bus system is something I could support. Or natural gas. Those are both cleaner than traditional fuels.


I would prefer hydrogen also, I was just unsure as to the possibility.
I also wish to grant lower income earners the chance to purchase and install Solar Panels, with a support of 20% to 60% (depending on their income) from the MotE.

I would support something like that in the form of a green-tax-cut.
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