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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:05 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
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What are you against?

If regarding the transparency of the courts, if something is in the interest of the public it should be able to be viewed unless there is good reason. You make it seem like every single case will be watched by every citizen, which I can assure you will not be the case.


It is simple senator. There are divorces, children custody cases and the lot that can be viewed. Those people deserve their privacy. That has notting to do with transprency.
Criminal case is one thing. But those kind should not be aviable online.


Again, if there is good reason then the Judge would be able to stop it. Thus in situations like divorces, child custody and other things like it (not including Inheritance Trials in my own view but it wouldn't be expressed to be illegal in the bill) then the cameras should be switched off.

Although, I do hope the Senator refrains from such a hostile nature that I am sensing. I am under no obligation to speak to the Opposition about my Ministry policy, I do so under good faith that we can work co-operatively.

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Additional methods would certainly be considered by the Ministry once we have got the main bulk of our core agenda completed, deterrence is something I believe is important and I will be completely open to any suggestions from Senators.


Since I'm running for Shadow Minister of Justice, I should ask you two things:

1) What's your stance on "trial by jury vs. panel of judges"
2) What's your stance on mandatory minimum sentencing


1) I myself see the pros and cons of both styles, however I do prefer trial by jury. However with the Constitution being debated I do not deem it wise to legislate on such a thing until that is clarified.

2) I support Minimum sentences for offences, I agree these should be determined by the law of the Senate.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:12 pm

Battlion wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
It is simple senator. There are divorces, children custody cases and the lot that can be viewed. Those people deserve their privacy. That has notting to do with transprency.
Criminal case is one thing. But those kind should not be aviable online.


Again, if there is good reason then the Judge would be able to stop it. Thus in situations like divorces, child custody and other things like it (not including Inheritance Trials in my own view but it wouldn't be expressed to be illegal in the bill) then the cameras should be switched off.

Although, I do hope the Senator refrains from such a hostile nature that I am sensing. I am under no obligation to speak to the Opposition about my Ministry policy, I do so under good faith that we can work co-operatively.

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Since I'm running for Shadow Minister of Justice, I should ask you two things:

1) What's your stance on "trial by jury vs. panel of judges"
2) What's your stance on mandatory minimum sentencing


1) I myself see the pros and cons of both styles, however I do prefer trial by jury. However with the Constitution being debated I do not deem it wise to legislate on such a thing until that is clarified.

2) I support Minimum sentences for offences, I agree these should be determined by the law of the Senate.


Testifying in court and being cross examined is a terrifying experience for many, people frequently break down whilst under cross examination and so this should not be shown to the world. No individual deserves to have that broadcast to the world. Another reason trials are held behind closed doors (no cameras) is so not to have the media or the public potentially affect a case with their actions. Than there is the fact this would be a dangerous step for those who are accused of a crime they did not commit. This is especially dangerous in cases of alleged rape and would risk the safety of the defendant and his/her family and would likely encourage a stigma around the defendants neck for the rest of his/her life even if found not guilty. Of course in extreme cases it may even lead to vigilantism and mob rule.

EDIT: I do like the rest of your agenda though but cameras in court is a big no from me.
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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:19 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Again, if there is good reason then the Judge would be able to stop it. Thus in situations like divorces, child custody and other things like it (not including Inheritance Trials in my own view but it wouldn't be expressed to be illegal in the bill) then the cameras should be switched off.

Although, I do hope the Senator refrains from such a hostile nature that I am sensing. I am under no obligation to speak to the Opposition about my Ministry policy, I do so under good faith that we can work co-operatively.



1) I myself see the pros and cons of both styles, however I do prefer trial by jury. However with the Constitution being debated I do not deem it wise to legislate on such a thing until that is clarified.

2) I support Minimum sentences for offences, I agree these should be determined by the law of the Senate.


Testifying in court and being cross examined is a terrifying experience for many, people frequently break down whilst under cross examination and so this should not be shown to the world. No individual deserves to have that broadcast to the world. Another reason trials are held behind closed doors (no cameras) is so not to have the media or the public potentially affect a case with their actions. Than there is the fact this would be a dangerous step for those who are accused of a crime they did not commit. This is especially dangerous in cases of alleged rape and would risk the safety of the defendant and his/her family and would likely encourage a stigma around the defendants neck for the rest of his/her life even if found not guilty. Of course in extreme cases it may even lead to vigilantism and mob rule.

EDIT: I do like the rest of your agenda though but cameras in court is a big no from me.


I fully understand your opinion, it is very important that we balance transparency with privacy that is why in the bill itself there will be checks and balances to ensure that when people feel like they do not wish their cross-examination to be public that they will not be made so whilst the rest of the trial can continue to do so.

All cases would be recorded and uploaded, after a case has concluded to ensure that there is no media intrusion. Any live broadcast would only be of a verdict being given etc.

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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:21 pm

I agree with nihil honestly. And senator there is no hostility for me. Especialy not towards you.
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Postby Minarchist States » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:09 pm

Battlion wrote:
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Trying to privatize the prisons somewhat, eh?

I am a bit iffy on the first bill you propose, unless there is an amendment for minor lawsuits to be able to be withheld from the public by the defendant individual with consent from the jury.

Just an opinion.


I will definitely take the opinions of the Honourable Senator on-board when the Ministry drafts the legislation, we aim to provide transparency to the Courts beyond current means however it remains important to the Ministry that only in the most serious of circumstances should a case not be made public in such a manner such as high media interest, damage to national security and any other situation in which a Judge finds appropriate.

We additionally point out that there have been no Juries in Aurentina due to our current legal system, there are currently no plans to change this.


Well, that's something I didn't know. Ayeyeye.

Panel of judges then. I just want to give the individual a fair bit of rights and not let the masses decide everything.
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Postby Battlion » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:16 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
Battlion wrote:
I will definitely take the opinions of the Honourable Senator on-board when the Ministry drafts the legislation, we aim to provide transparency to the Courts beyond current means however it remains important to the Ministry that only in the most serious of circumstances should a case not be made public in such a manner such as high media interest, damage to national security and any other situation in which a Judge finds appropriate.

We additionally point out that there have been no Juries in Aurentina due to our current legal system, there are currently no plans to change this.


Well, that's something I didn't know. Ayeyeye.

Panel of judges then. I just want to give the individual a fair bit of rights and not let the masses decide everything.


As I have expressed in other questions, if a judge believes it is appropriate to not have the cameras on then they shall be able to turn them off at the beginning of the trial.

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Postby Corenea » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:27 pm

Hey I think someone should make the NFC Presidential Primaries thread and list the running candidates with non-candidates (preferrably independents) asking questions.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:29 pm

Belmaria wrote:
New Bierstaat wrote:As the other 24-year-old male straight teacher in the Senate, I appreciate your support!

Whoa wait a second...

Sorry, I meant OOCly. My Senator is of course 45 years old with a PhD. Brit and I are both teachers and 24 OOCly. I think he's a few months older than me.

Or maybe we're the same person...? :lol:
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:50 pm

Well if it pleases the coalition, id like to put forward my name on Minister of defense. My simple logic is that I have been MoD before
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Postby Byzantium Imperical » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:35 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:Well if it pleases the coalition, id like to put forward my name on Minister of defense. My simple logic is that I have been MoD before

I completly agree
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:38 pm

Byzantium Imperical wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Well if it pleases the coalition, id like to put forward my name on Minister of defense. My simple logic is that I have been MoD before

I completly agree


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Postby Chernobia » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:39 pm

Byzantium Imperical wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Well if it pleases the coalition, id like to put forward my name on Minister of defense. My simple logic is that I have been MoD before

I completly agree


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Postby Phalnia » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:41 pm

Chernobia wrote:
Byzantium Imperical wrote:I completly agree


I object.


Are you even in the senate?

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Postby Corenea » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:42 pm

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Postby Phalnia » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:43 pm

Corenea wrote:Chernobia is Minarchist State's puppet nation


Oh, nevermind.

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Postby Chernobia » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:44 pm

Phalnia wrote:
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I object.


Are you even in the senate?


I might be.

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Postby Byzantium Imperical » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:55 pm

Phalnia wrote:
Corenea wrote:Chernobia is Minarchist State's puppet nation


Oh, nevermind.

You have something against puppets?
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Postby Maryginia » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:56 pm

Byzantium Imperical wrote:
Phalnia wrote:
Oh, nevermind.

You have something against puppets?

Yes, Yes I do :P
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:58 pm

Maryginia wrote:
Byzantium Imperical wrote:You have something against puppets?

Yes, Yes I do :P


Really? ;)
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Postby Tactical Zombie Elimination Squads » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:59 pm

Byzantium Imperical wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Well if it pleases the coalition, id like to put forward my name on Minister of defense. My simple logic is that I have been MoD before

I completly agree

I completly concur
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:04 pm

Tactical Zombie Elimination Squads wrote:
Byzantium Imperical wrote:I completly agree

I completly concur

So much support, Im blushing :blush:
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Postby Corenea » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:36 pm

When should we get the Primaries thread started?
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Postby Kalmath » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:43 pm

Corenea wrote:When should we get the Primaries thread started?


Do we have all the candidates? Who is asking the questions?
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Postby Corenea » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:47 pm

Kalmath wrote:
Corenea wrote:When should we get the Primaries thread started?


Do we have all the candidates? Who is asking the questions?

So far it's me and New Bierstaat running so far. I think Belmaria dropped out to support New Bierstaat but I think Beta Test or someone from ALM might run so we may need to wait a while. We need non candidates to ask questions and focus them on each candidate.
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Postby Divitaen » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:47 pm

Corenea wrote:When should we get the Primaries thread started?


Who are the finalized presidential candidates btw?
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