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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:25 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Next Washington wrote:hi there, we voted in favor of joining the FC :)



Wonderful news. We need more voices to remind us to avoid so extreme a position as to render us alienated from the populatio. Moreover, i agree that membership in the coalition is not a democratic decision. Our platforms mesh well enough. Acceptance depends, as far as i am concerned, on the most senior members of coalition leadership. Thatd be Jetan and myself.

Ive plenty of cigars and scotch. Not to suggest that we buy your loyalty but.... Im offering to buy your loyalty.


Let me turn that on it's head, I am feeling father flush............Let me offer you a dozen cases of 1969 Bollinger Vieille Vignes Françaises, a truly exquisite champagne.
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Postby Dangelia » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:32 pm

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Distruzio wrote:

Wonderful news. We need more voices to remind us to avoid so extreme a position as to render us alienated from the populatio. Moreover, i agree that membership in the coalition is not a democratic decision. Our platforms mesh well enough. Acceptance depends, as far as i am concerned, on the most senior members of coalition leadership. Thatd be Jetan and myself.

Ive plenty of cigars and scotch. Not to suggest that we buy your loyalty but.... Im offering to buy your loyalty.


Let me turn that on it's head, I am feeling father flush............Let me offer you a dozen cases of 1969 Bollinger Vieille Vignes Françaises, a truly exquisite champagne.

Or my homemade wine. :p
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Postby Britanno » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:33 pm

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Postby Minarchist States » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:33 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
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Nah, we (or at least I) am for everyone. Do you think we are communazis?


I don't think such an ideology is possible, so no.
It's just that every coalition has a differing ''style'' on how to deal with members and non-members, on their forums.
Just wanted to be sure I wasn't intruding, where I'm not welcome.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:38 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
I don't think such an ideology is possible, so no.
It's just that every coalition has a differing ''style'' on how to deal with members and non-members, on their forums.
Just wanted to be sure I wasn't intruding, where I'm not welcome.

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CommiesFascists yes they probably are, but as there is no Antisemitism in that ideology, it's not ''CommieNazism''. The National Bolshevik party leader, even denounced anti-semitism, so that rules out it being ''CommieNazism''. Doesn't rule out CommieFascism, though.
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Postby The Union of the West » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:46 pm

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Minarchist States wrote:
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CommiesFascists yes they probably are, but as there is no Antisemitism in that ideology, it's not ''CommieNazism''. The National Bolshevik party leader, even denounced anti-semitism, so that rules out it being ''CommieNazism''. Doesn't rule out CommieFascism, though.

We call them Stalinists.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:47 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:CommiesFascists yes they probably are, but as there is no Antisemitism in that ideology, it's not ''CommieNazism''. The National Bolshevik party leader, even denounced anti-semitism, so that rules out it being ''CommieNazism''. Doesn't rule out CommieFascism, though.

We call them Stalinists.

That's State Socialism.
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Postby Minarchist States » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:59 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Minarchist States wrote:
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CommiesFascists yes they probably are, but as there is no Antisemitism in that ideology, it's not ''CommieNazism''. The National Bolshevik party leader, even denounced anti-semitism, so that rules out it being ''CommieNazism''. Doesn't rule out CommieFascism, though.


Anti-Semitism isn't the only tenet of National Socialism.

It's National Bolshevism, or Stalinism. Stalinists are pretty much "Red Fascists" as described by some people. National Socialists who support the working class and a state on track to communism.

The party would make a great frivolous satire party however. I even have a National Bolshevik nation, Chernobia. :p
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:03 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:CommiesFascists yes they probably are, but as there is no Antisemitism in that ideology, it's not ''CommieNazism''. The National Bolshevik party leader, even denounced anti-semitism, so that rules out it being ''CommieNazism''. Doesn't rule out CommieFascism, though.


Anti-Semitism isn't the only tenet of National Socialism.

It's National Bolshevism, or Stalinism. Stalinists are pretty much "Red Fascists" as described by some people. National Socialists who support the working class and a state on track to communism.

The party would make a great frivolous satire party however. I even have a National Bolshevik nation, Chernobia. :p


You can't be a Nazi if ignore the tenets of antisemitism and racial supremacy, if you ignore those you're just a Fascist.
Stalinism is State Socialism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_socialism
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"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Chernobia » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:07 pm

Actually scratch the last. They are mostly Strasserist with leftist tendencies (aka sympathies for the working class). The idea was actually fascists hijacking Marxism-Leninism for their own ideas.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:08 pm

Chernobia wrote:Actually scratch the last. They are mostly Strasserist with leftist tendencies (aka sympathies for the working class). The idea was actually fascists hijacking Marxism-Leninism for their own ideas.


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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:09 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Chernobia wrote:Actually scratch the last. They are mostly Strasserist with leftist tendencies (aka sympathies for the working class). The idea was actually fascists hijacking Marxism-Leninism for their own ideas.


Hello citizen, to what do you owe this pleasure?

OOC:That's Minarchist States.
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''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Minarchist States » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:09 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Chernobia wrote:Actually scratch the last. They are mostly Strasserist with leftist tendencies (aka sympathies for the working class). The idea was actually fascists hijacking Marxism-Leninism for their own ideas.


Hello citizen, to what do you owe this pleasure?


It's me you fool. :p
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Postby Corenea » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:09 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Chernobia wrote:Actually scratch the last. They are mostly Strasserist with leftist tendencies (aka sympathies for the working class). The idea was actually fascists hijacking Marxism-Leninism for their own ideas.


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Postby Minarchist States » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:12 pm

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Anti-Semitism isn't the only tenet of National Socialism.

It's National Bolshevism, or Stalinism. Stalinists are pretty much "Red Fascists" as described by some people. National Socialists who support the working class and a state on track to communism.

The party would make a great frivolous satire party however. I even have a National Bolshevik nation, Chernobia. :p


You can't be a Nazi if ignore the tenets of antisemitism and racial supremacy, if you ignore those you're just a Fascist.
Stalinism is State Socialism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_socialism


Source? Do you believe the National Bolsheviks are Stalinist even though they are third position Strasserists?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:12 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Hello citizen, to what do you owe this pleasure?


It's me you fool. :p


FLY YOU FOOLS!

It's jokey joke time. Don't you get it?
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:15 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
You can't be a Nazi if ignore the tenets of antisemitism and racial supremacy, if you ignore those you're just a Fascist.
Stalinism is State Socialism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_socialism


Source? Do you believe the National Bolsheviks are Stalinist even though they are third position Strasserists?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism
They can't be Nazi or Strasserists, if they're not anti-Semitic, nor ideologically racist.
I think they're either Stalinist or State Socialist.
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"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Minarchist States » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:18 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Minarchist States wrote:
Source? Do you believe the National Bolsheviks are Stalinist even though they are third position Strasserists?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism
They can't be Nazi or Strasserists, if they're not anti-Semitic, nor ideologically racist.
I think they're either Stalinist or State Socialist.


In Wikipedia National Bolshevism is classified under Third Positionism so they can't be Stalinist. They can be State Socialist, but that's what pretty much "National Socialism" means, self evident.

Granted the Nazis became corporate imperialists, but so do the NatBols with their "unite Europe" façade.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:21 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism
They can't be Nazi or Strasserists, if they're not anti-Semitic, nor ideologically racist.
I think they're either Stalinist or State Socialist.


In Wikipedia National Bolshevism is classified under Third Positionism so they can't be Stalinist. They can be State Socialist, but that's what pretty much "National Socialism" means, self evident.


The words ''National Socialist'' have been bastardized to mean Nazism, so I don't use it to refer to State Socialism.
I agree with them being, State Socialist. I also concede they're not Stalinist, but still believe theyarenot/cannotbe Nazi or Strasserists.
If they are not ideologically racist or anti-Semitic.
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"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Minarchist States » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:28 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Minarchist States wrote:
In Wikipedia National Bolshevism is classified under Third Positionism so they can't be Stalinist. They can be State Socialist, but that's what pretty much "National Socialism" means, self evident.


The words ''National Socialist'' have been bastardized to mean Nazism, so I don't use it to refer to State Socialism.
I agree with them being, State Socialist. I also concede they're not Stalinist, but still believe theyarenot/cannotbe Nazi or Strasserists.
If they are not ideologically racist or anti-Semitic.


I reject your stance that Nazism's tenets is only racist, for there was a lot more on Hitler's plate than the Holocaust. You should at least concede that they have National Socialist influences, right down to their flag, if not being a true national socialist ideology.

Anyway let us drop this argument for now and enjoy a pizza I had ordered for myself.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:31 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
The words ''National Socialist'' have been bastardized to mean Nazism, so I don't use it to refer to State Socialism.
I agree with them being, State Socialist. I also concede they're not Stalinist, but still believe theyarenot/cannotbe Nazi or Strasserists.
If they are not ideologically racist or anti-Semitic.


I reject your stance that Nazism's tenets is only racist, for there was a lot more on Hitler's plate than the Holocaust. You should at least concede that they have National Socialist influences, right down to their flag, if not being a true national socialist ideology.

Anyway let us drop this argument for now and enjoy a pizza I had ordered for myself.


I can concede they have those influences, but no more.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:42 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
The words ''National Socialist'' have been bastardized to mean Nazism, so I don't use it to refer to State Socialism.
I agree with them being, State Socialist. I also concede they're not Stalinist, but still believe theyarenot/cannotbe Nazi or Strasserists.
If they are not ideologically racist or anti-Semitic.


I reject your stance that Nazism's tenets is only racist, for there was a lot more on Hitler's plate than the Holocaust. You should at least concede that they have National Socialist influences, right down to their flag, if not being a true national socialist ideology.

Anyway let us drop this argument for now and enjoy a pizza I had ordered for myself.


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Postby Dangelia » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:46 pm

Are we ready to vote?

Candidates

Leader of the Opposition:
Distruzio

Deputy Leader of the Opposition:
Angleter

Shadow Minister of the Interior:
Divitaen
Corenea

Shadow Minister of Foreign Affairs:
The Union of the West

Shadow Minister of Finance and the Treasury:
The Union of Christ
Macedonian Grand Empire

Shadow Minister of Justice:
Belmaria
Divitaen
Gallant Old Republic

Shadow Minister of Defence:
Corenea

Shadow Minister of Education:
Dangelia
Belmaria
Brittano

Shadow Minister of Health:
Belmaria

Shadow Minister of Energy:
Skeckoa

Shadow Minister of the Environment:
Phalnia

Shadow Minister of Infrastructure and Transport:
Minarchist States

Shadow Minister of Labour:
Maryginia

Shadow Minister of Research and Astronomy:
The Union of the West

Shadow Minister of Culture and Sports:
Dangelia

Shadow Minister of Business Safety:
Zurkex

Shadow Minister of Telecommunications:
Belmaria

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Postby Corenea » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:50 pm

I'm ready
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Postby Battlion » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:52 pm

You've not really given people much time, maybe wait a bit longer...

Jetan should really say when the vote starts as he is chairman...

Anyway, as Minister of Justice I have put forward my plans for the rest of this term in the Cabinet thread and some Opposition voices would be gladly heard.

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